Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert

[Knicksfan20]

A beefier/More Athletic/Harder working Larry Hughes i can see.

I honestly see some Dwayne Wade in him. Not saying he will evefr get to Wades level...Im just saying, Ive read the Wade comparisons and i can see it a little bit. {Poor mans wade.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Best: Sg version of Ronnie Brewer, i.e gets to play more on ball, which suits his strengths more.
Worst: T-Will right now, i.e cant get off the bench

[Grinditout]

Best Case Scenario: Knicks franchise savior aka superstar aka hall of famer aka best ever

Worst case scenario: Someone Balkman can get blazed with.

[CrazyKnicks]

Best: Wade
Worst: Balkman

[Jay10]

Best Case : Terrence Williams with an basketball IQ
Worst Case : The current Terrence Williams

[Futureisnow]

Best case: Penny Hardaway pre-knee injuries

Worst case: trade fodder for the incoming CP3 trade

[can o peas]

Best: Sg version of Ronnie Brewer, i.e gets to play more on ball, which suits his strengths more.
Worst: T-Will right now, i.e cant get off the bench

statistically, he compared very highly to ronnie brewer. some site did an analysis of all the first rounders and shumpert had like a 97% similarity based on stats to brewer.

I can also see the sefolosha comparison.

[j4remi]

Best: Wade
Worst: Balkman

I like this one.

[stuporman]

Best Case : Larry Hughes

Worst Case : Larry Hughes



I really have no idea but I just thought it was funny that he could be the best version of that player or the worst of it.....

[IllmaticHandler]

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[RutgersBJJ]

best case: joe johnson

worst case: deshawn stevenson

[nyczlegacy]

Best case: Kobe Bryant
Worst case: Michael Jordan

[can o peas]

it was kevin pelton by the way, who is just as (or possibly more) respected as a stats guy as hollinger.

here are some of his other comparisons that had a high statistical similarity (and might make us feel better):

tristan thompson- darrell arthur
marshon brooks- desmond mason
nikola vucevic- troy murphy
markieff morris- dj white
jordan hamilton- casey jacobsen
justin harper- malik hairston
nolan smith- acie law (99.1%!)
chris singleton- dante cunningham
klay thompson- kirk snyder
jimmer fredette- jj redick and jodie meeks
darius morris- deron williams :/

ok that last one won't make anyone feel better remember though, these kind of stats analyses tend to be a crapshoot. at least hollinger's isn't really that reliable imo.

for reference, in 2009 the two guys he had similar to toney douglas were randy foye and keith bogans.

[#1 pick]

i was fine with brooks

we'll see next year in the POs, what shumpert can do when melo gets doubled...then we'll see if its the right or wrong pick

And then we can watch the Celtics pick our defense apart and with Rondo and Allen getting good looks at will.

Complain about D'antoni and the lack of defense, then once we draft a defensive player that you've never seen play, you complain

i have seen this guy play

he had favors on his team and couldnt do anything

That's a lie, him and Favors was GT in 2010. I watched almost all their games. He's legit. He actually will be a better NBA player than college player. He was a good college player, he consistency issues and he's not a PG. He really wasn't a SG for what GT wants either under Hewitt. You will like him. I actually like Iman. Very talented. The NCAA really didn't fit his game.

[GONYK]

I know, another Shumpert thread, but this is something that has been sticking out to me since all of the draft evaluations have come out.

The perception on Shumpert is that we reached on him. How much of a reach depends on who's mock/analysis you read, but nobody is tripping over themselves to say we got great value out of the pick. I'm not saying I agree, I'm just saying this is the perception.

So, my question is this: How does Shumpert have such a strange rep around those who evaluate the draft, but a player like Westbrook was an undisputed top 5-10 pick?

On the surface, they are similar. Freak athletes with a tremendous physical profile. Excels in transition. Excellent defenders. Shaky jumpers, questions about their ability to play the point due to their poor decision making.

The differences being that Russell had more college success at a better program, and never was the #1 option, whereas Iman's career at GT was unimpressive W/L wise. That could be mitigated by the fact that Iman is an even better athlete and does not have the "tweener" problem that Westbrook has due to having ideal size for both positions.

So the question remains, why is the perception on Iman radically different than that of Westbrook on draft night? What is it that separates the two?

[Brownsville's Finest]

ive also been thinking this i guess its all about exposure

[Grinditout]

Didn't you just basically answer that question in your own post? Westbrook had better success during his college stint. That's pretty much the main difference between the two. And didn't Westbrook's stock also rise a bit after the workouts?

[GONYK]

Didn't you just basically answer that question in your own post? Westbrook had better success during his college stint. That's pretty much the main difference between the two. And didn't Westbrook's stock also rise a bit after the workouts?

Yea, but Westbrook was a role player on those UCLA teams. It's not like people were crediting Westbrook as the catalyst for that success.

Westbrook did start to rise after the workouts, but it was his athleticism that got him buzz in the first place.

[Th3TrueDynesty]

I really don't know why, the two compare similarly but I think the biggest difference between the two is how quick both of them get down the court. Westbrook is extremely quick going baseline to baseline, he also has a better handle and finishes in traffic beter than Iman, but Iman does have more strength. Truthfully both of their scouting reports coming out of college are very comparable, difference is that Westbrook developed his offense and was put in a position to succeed. Does the same thing happen for Shumpert?? Only time will tell.

[#1 pick]

I'm a North Carolina Basketball Fan and I saw Iman Shumpert quite a bit during his career at Georgia Tech. He ALWAYS played well against us and played really intense defense. He's obviously a physical presence in the backcourt due to his size, but his mentality is a physical one as well. It seemed like he only got up to play big games. He played really well against Duke early in their game last year up at Cameron Indoor and got me thinking what he would be like on our team.

The great thing about Iman is that it seems like he understands fully what he will be expected to do from Day One. His job is to come in and be a defender. He can step into the league as one of the best backcourt defenders in the game. It's nice when you have a player who's basement is Raja Bell or Tony Allen, with a ceiling of a Russell Westbrook due to his freakish athleticism. He has excellent form on his shot, but simply needs more repetition.

Hopefully, he can come in and be a huge help defensively, while improving his other qualities along the way. I've learned through watching the NBA for some time that a jumper is the EASIEST thing to fix in this league, because it is the most rudimentary skill that doesn't necessarily involve athleticism. It's about taking a lot of them and maintaining solid mechanics, much like a baseball swing.

Very excited about having Iman.

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He really isn't that good driving to the paint and his outside game is kinda weak. He's at his best settling for mid range jumpers and in transition. Solid BBIQ. Very good defense awareness. Not extremely fast in the game but amazingly quick. He is fast in open court. His handles are decent but when pressured he can have issues. His defensive ability is seriously underrated and it's rated high. He can guard anyone, literally. He's should become a solid scorer in the NBA. His game is similar to Afflalo but not as polished and much more athletic which helps defensively. Not the shooter Affalo is either but that doesn't mean he can't be. He reminds me of Joe Dumars. I like this pick for NY.

He's not going to be Westbrook. Doesn't have they type of potential or ability. But he can still be an All Star type player. He went to the right team in my opinion. Melo and Amare can really help his developmental stage.