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MeloDrama Part VI

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#441 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:56 pm

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BowlRips wrote:half a domino

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Sources: Rockets offer Bosh max deal of 4 yrs, $96 million. After weekend convo with LeBron and low offer from Heat, Bosh considering offer



My prediction is that Bosh takes that offer. He's a great fit on the Rockets and he'll get the max or close to it. Bosh already offered Miami and Lebron to take even less than he did in his last contract in order to keep that core together and that still wasn't good enough for Lebron. Lebron is really sticking up Bosh's ass when Wade is the one who should be taking the biggest cut (based on performance). But Wade is Miami's darling for a lot of good reasons but he won't take such a pay cut.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#442 » by Red Vines » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:56 pm

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Red Vines wrote:Isola reporting Melo is legit struggling with the decision. Im ready to move on from this nonsense.


How would Isola know that?
He makes up things more then anyone else.
according to a friend of Melo's it says in his article
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#443 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:56 pm

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wakkahman wrote:Im pretty sure D'antoni tried to get carmelo to be a catch and shoot guy around a pick roll offense with lin/chander/stoudemire. If you think Carmelo is gunna stand in the corner and shoot 3's ala bosh youre dreaming.

Carmelo is a pinch post player hes not gunna be your spot up shooter




Also, how many games did Melo and Lin actually play together?


Hes played enough games for the knicks for everyone to know hes not gunna be an off the ball player. He wants the high post and the ball in his hands.

He's not going to be an off the ball player here because we didn't have the offensive scheme or supporting cast to pull it off.

At least with the Nuggets they scored so much they didn't have to heavily rely on Melo & Karl was smart enough to use Melo as a decoy, over here it's not close to the same.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#444 » by kane » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:57 pm

SAS just took a dumb on isola's report :lol:
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#445 » by AmazingJason » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:57 pm

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Red Vines wrote:Isola reporting Melo is legit struggling with the decision. Im ready to move on from this nonsense.


You should.

But nothing you think is going to change what's going to happen one way or another.


The variables aren't going to change. He just has to make a decision and go with it.

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#446 » by ag3 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:57 pm

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ag3 wrote:
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Melo and LeBron are going to be at the World Cup. This could drag on for at least another week.


I doubt that. They can't wait too much longer because the remaining free agents will all sign.
Miami already lost out on the best free agents because of their uncertain future.

I think this will all be resolved by tonight or tomorrow.


If they really cared about that, they would have figured out all this sh*t already. There are no more good FAs left. Deng and Stephenson are not going to play alongside LeBron or Melo in any situation, anyway.


A team like the Bulls for instance can't wait much longer. Their entire free agency period is being wasted because of Carmelo and they have already lost out on players that could have helped them.

You would think they would not wait much longer and will start making other moves.
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Post#447 » by Bill Pidto » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:58 pm

Well.. I'm holding firm on my prediction that LeBron will be a Knick. But what is suprising me is the real possibility that it could actually happen this summer.

I'm starting to feel like Phil has the real potential to move Amar'e and Bargs. Upon further review, I think he has the assets. Shump, Timmy, Early, Larkin, and a 2018 first rounder if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention, Amar'e and Bargs are expiring after this year, and both men have size and talent. I don't see why it's so far fetched to imagine them going elsewhere if there's a chance at LeBron. You can't convince me that Phil wouldn't pull out all stops to get him and Melo here if he could.

Maybe the biggest road block is getting a team to agree to a fair trade while knowing what the Knicks grand intentions are. But maybe Phil Jackson's true genius isn't limited to only his coaching. Maybe he is a master negotiator. Or maybe he just has that kind of pull around the league. His first trade certainly doesn't suggest that teams aren't willing to work with him.

I have real hope right now. And I think the potential pairing of LeBron and Melo is the biggest and only real hold up in free agency right now.. for all teams in the running for FAs. Melo and LeBron are the first dominos. They are waiting this out to see which team can offer the best and most realistic chance to play and win together, just like it was for James in 2010. Back then, the Heat won the race and got their super team. I think Phil came here so he can have his turn and to do it in New York where it would be bigger and better and celebrated like no other event in sports in recent memory.

I see the writing on the wall. I understand now that Phil wants LeBron and Melo and believes it can happen more than he's let on, and more than most people believe. He originally asked Melo to opt in because he wanted to do this next year when it would be easier. Melo didn't comply.. and that's not to blame Melo. Maybe LeBron didn't comply which forced Melo to opt out. Maybe Riley refuses to give James a short-term deal knowing Phil is waiting in the shadows. Playing hard ball with LeBron and forcing Phil to act now and potentially lose Melo in the process.

Either way, next year was plan A, and here we are at plan B. Phil is gonna go for this. Gasol is in play and waiting to see what happens. Melo is on board and hoping Phil can shed some salary. So is LeBron. And without a doubt, if Phil has indeed already turned down an offer for Bargnani, I view that as great news.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#448 » by ag3 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:00 pm

Stephen A. Smith is very adamant and just said again it's the Heat with Lebron or the Knicks and no one else.
That's what I have always believed as well.
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Post#449 » by MKCATL » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:00 pm

kane wrote:SAS just took a dumb on isola's report :lol:


What'd he say?
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Post#450 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:00 pm

Workforce250 wrote:Just watched Bernard King's back to back 50.
Dam he was a MONSTER. shot 20-28,,huh? Dam

http://thegoodpoint.com/bernard-king-new-york/

Melo sup? Want to do what Bernard or Pat couldn't do?


King was indeed a monster. He never had a Robin with him so everyone and their mom knew exactly what was coming and who was getting the ball and they still couldn't stop him. King wasn't the tallest guy or the most athletic guy but he was mentally and physically about as tough as you can get. And his instincts were just otherworldly. With the other team throwing 2, 3 even 4 guys at him on a regular basis, he still was able to get his shot when he wanted and a lot had to do with instincts. If you throw a smaller guy at him he was instantly in the post backing the guy down. If you try to cover him with a big man, as soon as that guy made a move up towards King, King would already be on the floor going by him. He was lethal from the baseline and he could absorb pretty much any hit he received (and players were allowed to hit a lot harder then than nowadays) and still keep his form on his shot. The only drawback was that all the abuse he took on the court eventually caused his shortened career but when he was one, he was about as unstoppable as you can get on offense.
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Post#451 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:00 pm

kane wrote:SAS just took a dumb on isola's report :lol:

What did he say?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#452 » by AmazingJason » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:01 pm

ag3 wrote:
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I doubt that. They can't wait too much longer because the remaining free agents will all sign.
Miami already lost out on the best free agents because of their uncertain future.

I think this will all be resolved by tonight or tomorrow.


If they really cared about that, they would have figured out all this sh*t already. There are no more good FAs left. Deng and Stephenson are not going to play alongside LeBron or Melo in any situation, anyway.


A team like the Bulls for instance can't wait much longer. Their entire free agency period is being wasted because of Carmelo and they have already lost out on players that could have helped them.

You would think they would not wait much longer and will start making other moves.


Melo fits in perfectly with them. They desperately need an elite scorer. They're essentially going for broke. They can always go after Love after Melo rejects them.
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Post#453 » by KnicksManiac » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:01 pm

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Post#454 » by berkkobe7 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:02 pm

ToHoleWithSoul wrote:Damn...

Bosh- PF
Howard - C
Harden - SF
Beverly - PG
Parsons - SG


They will face Clips in first round lol west is terrible.

C- Jordan
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SF- Matt Barnes
SG- Redick
PG - CP3

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Post#455 » by dreamer3kx » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:02 pm

Cant wait until this is over, it has gotten really bad, Ive heard every damn combination with Melo, its nauseating.
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Post#456 » by AmazingJason » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:02 pm

ag3 wrote:Stephen A. Smith is very adamant and just said again it's the Heat with Lebron or the Knicks and no one else.
That's what I have always believed as well.


The Chicago board is going to explode if that happens :lol:
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Post#457 » by ag3 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:03 pm

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:
kane wrote:SAS just took a dumb on isola's report :lol:

What did he say?


He said he doesn't care what anyone says and that he firmly believes that Carmelo is either going to the Heat with Lebron or back to NY and that no other team is a threat.
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Post#458 » by delvec19 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:03 pm

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Post#459 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:03 pm

Bill Pidto wrote:Well.. I'm holding firm on my prediction that LeBron will be a Knick. But what is suprising me is the real possibility that it could actually happen this summer.

I'm starting to feel like Phil has the real potential to move Amar'e and Bargs. Upon further review, I think he has the assets. Shump, Timmy, Early, Larkin, and a 2018 first rounder if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention, Amar'e and Bargs are expiring after this year, and both men have size and talent. I don't see why it's so far fetched to imagine them going elsewhere if there's a chance at LeBron. You can't convince me that Phil wouldn't pull out all stops to get him and Melo here if he could.

Maybe the biggest road block is getting a team to agree to a fair trade while knowing what the Knicks grand intentions are. But maybe Phil Jackson's true genius isn't limited to only his coaching. Maybe he is a master negotiator. Or maybe he just has that kind of pull around the league. His first trade certainly doesn't suggest that teams aren't willing to work with him.

I have real hope right now. And I think the potential pairing of LeBron and Melo is the biggest and only real hold up in free agency right now.. for all teams in the running for FAs. Melo and LeBron are the first dominos. They are waiting this out to see which team can offer the best and most realistic chance to play and win together, just like it was for James in 2010. Back then, the Heat won the race and got their super team. I think Phil came here so he can have his turn and to do it in New York where it would be bigger and better and celebrated like no other event in sports in recent memory.

I see the writing on the wall. I understand now that Phil wants LeBron and Melo and believes it can happen more than he's let on, and more than most people believe. He originally asked Melo to opt in because he wanted to do this next year when it would be easier. Melo didn't comply.. and that's not to blame Melo. Maybe LeBron didn't comply which forced Melo to opt out. Maybe Riley refuses to give James a short-term deal knowing Phil is waiting in the shadows. Playing hard ball with LeBron and forcing Phil to act now and potentially lose Melo in the process.

Either way, next year was plan A, and here we are at plan B. Phil is gonna go for this. Gasol is in play and waiting to see what happens. Melo is on board and hoping Phil can shed some salary. So is LeBron. And without a doubt, if Phil has indeed already turned down an offer for Bargnani, I view that as great news.


Yeah it could indeed be that all these assets that he acquired was with the intention of trying to use them to move Stoudemire and Bargnani. I mean folks have said it before that Jackson (like most elite coaches that are used to winning all the time) isn't one to play rookies...and yet...voila...all these young guys all over the place. Sure it could be Jackson changing his spots some, but I don't think you are too far off in your belief that the moves were made to acquire assets that would allow him to include in packages to move the dead weight players on the current roster so he can replace them with proven players that fit his win now plan.
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Post#460 » by wakkahman » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:03 pm

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