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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#441 » by No-Man » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:47 pm

Winslow is a stud and a better fit for this team, much vbetter than Johnson, he is a better athlete, more versatile defender and Kawhi Leonard-esque on offense.

We should trade Hardaway, Shumpert for a late 1st to be able to pick Ron Baker, Jerian Grant or Delon Wright, any of those 3 will fit right in, probably Baker or Grant could be taken with an early 2nd and they will be better fits since they have a better shooting ability than Delon.

I want solid vets in the FA and draft prospects with IQ, shooting and defensive ability.

Other than Okafor and Manny, Id take Winslow or Porzingis over anybody else for the Knicks.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#442 » by BeagleBoss » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:51 pm

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BeagleBoss wrote:Man Okafor is a beast!!! He's a guaranteed 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. Best hands and post game skills since Duncan. I don't recall Oden or Cousins being this skilled in college.


As far as the rebounds was that lack of rebounding from the other team because he has not been good in that area?


No, Okafor really made an effort to grab every rebounding. Here are some highlights!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJiE6U-bT6M[/youtube]
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#443 » by mpharris36 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:18 pm

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siar617 wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Man Okafor is a beast!!! He's a guaranteed 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. Best hands and post game skills since Duncan. I don't recall Oden or Cousins being this skilled in college.


As far as the rebounds was that lack of rebounding from the other team because he has not been good in that area?


No, Okafor really made an effort to grab every rebounding. Here are some highlights!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJiE6U-bT6M[/youtube]


easy there...I love okafors skill set as well on offense. But don't come on here talking about his performance last night vs freakin ELON.

There avg height was 6'3 in there starting lineup. He was being defended by a 6'8 and 6'6 guy. I'm sorry that doesn't impress me. It was like a high schooler playing against elementary school kids. He was playing volleyball with the ball.

I take those games with a grain of salt. It doesn't mean the stat line isn't impressive. However playing vs ELON proves nothing to me.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#444 » by FemaleDogPlease » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:48 pm

Okafor did what he was supposed too. He abused the undersized player guarding him.

Same will happen in the NBA.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#445 » by berkkobe7 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:33 pm

Okafor's post game is so fluid, not like Amare Stoudemire.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#446 » by mpharris36 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:38 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:Okafor did what he was supposed too. He abused the undersized player guarding him.

Same will happen in the NBA.


I don't think anyone is concerned about his offense. It's pretty legit for such a young player.

I think people have questions about his motor, defensive awareness, and rebounding.

And he will never be going up against 6'7 white guys in the NBA...sorry
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#447 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:24 pm

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FemaleDogPlease wrote:Okafor did what he was supposed too. He abused the undersized player guarding him.

Same will happen in the NBA.


I don't think anyone is concerned about his offense. It's pretty legit for such a young player.

I think people have questions about his motor, defensive awareness, and rebounding.

And he will never be going up against 6'7 white guys in the NBA...sorry


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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#448 » by PMFJB » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:28 pm

I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#449 » by moocow007 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:22 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:Okafor did what he was supposed too. He abused the undersized player guarding him.

Same will happen in the NBA.


There aren't too many 6'6" and 6'8" centers in the NBA though. Especially not white ones.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#450 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:38 pm

PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I still have no idea what you are basing this conclusion on. I've kept quiet since the last time, but I'm legitimately baffled.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#451 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:01 pm

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No, Okafor really made an effort to grab every rebounding. Here are some highlights!


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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#452 » by PMFJB » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:04 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I still have no idea what you are basing this conclusion on. I've kept quiet since the last time, but I'm legitimately baffled.

Nothing scientific just eye test.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#453 » by BRIGGS » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:54 am

PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I think you need to throw Stein in there at 3. Im concerned after 3 at this point--I need to see way more.

Here is my raw top 10 as of now.

1. Jahill Okafor PF
2. Emmanuel Mudiay G/PG
3. Willie Stein C
4. Montrezl Harrell PF
5. Frank Kaminsky C/PF
6 Karl Towns PF/C
7 Deangelo Russell PG
8 Delon Wright PG
9 Dakari Johnson C
10 Amida Brimah C
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#454 » by siar617 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:44 am

BRIGGS wrote:
PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I think you need to throw Stein in there at 3. Im concerned after 3 at this point--I need to see way more.

Here is my raw top 10 as of now.

1. Jahill Okafor PF
2. Emmanuel Mudiay G/PG
3. Willie Stein C
4. Montrezl Harrell PF
5. Frank Kaminsky C/PF
6 Karl Towns PF/C
7 Deangelo Russell PG
8 Delon Wright PG
9 Dakari Johnson C
10 Amida Brimah C


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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#455 » by EMG518 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:52 pm

BRIGGS wrote:
PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I think you need to throw Stein in there at 3. Im concerned after 3 at this point--I need to see way more.

Here is my raw top 10 as of now.

1. Jahill Okafor PF
2. Emmanuel Mudiay G/PG
3. Willie Stein C
4. Montrezl Harrell PF
5. Frank Kaminsky C/PF
6 Karl Towns PF/C
7 Deangelo Russell PG
8 Delon Wright PG
9 Dakari Johnson C
10 Amida Brimah C


God I hope the Knicks board looks nothing like yours.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#456 » by FemaleDogPlease » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:30 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I still have no idea what you are basing this conclusion on. I've kept quiet since the last time, but I'm legitimately baffled.


Towns lacks the athleticism to take his game to the next level. I think he could be solid though.

This draft reminds me of the 2009 draft. You got Okafor then everyone else.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#457 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:38 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
PMFJB wrote:I like Okafor way more than Towns. Towns just screams bust to me.

My draft board is
1. Okafor
2. Muydai
3. Trade this pick which will be Towns for something good before people realize Towns is not that good.


I still have no idea what you are basing this conclusion on. I've kept quiet since the last time, but I'm legitimately baffled.


Towns lacks the athleticism to take his game to the next level. I think he could be solid though.

This draft reminds me of the 2009 draft. You got Okafor then everyone else.


He lacks freak athleticism, but he is still a good athlete. He is also VERY talented offensively and has shown a lot defensively too. The only hole in his game is his athleticism (and his motor at times). You know who they also said this about? LaMacus Aldridge.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#458 » by Johnny Hoops » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:37 pm

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Man I dont need to watch a draft express scouting video to form my own judgement of a player. I actually watch the games. Kid is one of the reasons why Duke is such a good team. His energy, athleticism, and talent will not be overlooked and he will make a name for himself as the year goes on I am 100% sure of that.

He's already better than Iman Shumpert.

But if it came down to Winslow and Stanimal Johnson, then idk...that is a difficult decision to make. Johnson is real.


Draft Express has him rated at #5 or #6 so he's obviously a physical specimen and has talent -- my point is -- I don't see any true NBA offensive skills. I will have to take a better look at Winslow.

Shump is a stiff in my opinion -- lets hope both these guys are better than Shump but Shump is a perfect example of what happens when you bring limited offensive game to the pro's -- particularly at the SG position.


Fair enough. I just love the way Winslow makes an impact on the game even if he only scores 10 points. Stanley Johnson is 6'7 and 240 pounds?!?! That is insane for an 18 year old. Really good prospects in this draft. I wish we could come away with at least 2 of the top 20 players!


Caught both Okafor and Winslow against bad Elan team the other night and I could see a little more why people are excited about both. Okafor's talent is hard to ignore and Winslow looked very versatile.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#459 » by knickstape21 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:56 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
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Johnny Hoops wrote:
Draft Express has him rated at #5 or #6 so he's obviously a physical specimen and has talent -- my point is -- I don't see any true NBA offensive skills. I will have to take a better look at Winslow.

Shump is a stiff in my opinion -- lets hope both these guys are better than Shump but Shump is a perfect example of what happens when you bring limited offensive game to the pro's -- particularly at the SG position.


Fair enough. I just love the way Winslow makes an impact on the game even if he only scores 10 points. Stanley Johnson is 6'7 and 240 pounds?!?! That is insane for an 18 year old. Really good prospects in this draft. I wish we could come away with at least 2 of the top 20 players!


Caught both Okafor and Winslow against bad Elan team the other night and I could see a little more why people are excited about both. Okafor's talent is hard to ignore and Winslow looked very versatile.


Nice. Okafor was a monster and Elon had no chance of stopping him. His defense, however, is a little suspect at the moment. He's not all that intimidating, but it's something I will keep an eye on as the season progresses.

Winslow also played a nice game as you said. He's more of a slasher than a guy that will break you down defensively (even though I have seen him do this before). His shooting needs work as well as his free throws, but what I like is that he does have good form and has improved from his senior year in high school in that area (from what I've read and seen). Just overall a good player, especially defensively.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#460 » by BRIGGS » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:27 pm

You get to see Ok4 against Uconn tomorrow night. He'll be going against guys who are 7-0 6-10 6-9 and 6-8 upfront
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