Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[2010]

I agree with your sentiments. this draft is anything but a lock after zion. but for our situation, realistically I see zion and morant locked at 1-2. will the knicks change their tune to another player at 3? it’s possible but I feel unlikely. would have to be a hell of a team workout.

i think you can't pass on RJ for the rest of the field. and i'm very high on culver and pretty excited about garland.

If RJ proves himself throughout the process, I'm totally fine with the pick, but we can't just slot him in based on reputation.

With Perry’s track record for due diligence I don’t view this as a legitimate concern.

[Marty McFly]

If Barrett is the pick and we keep him, they should really considering hiring Steve Nash as a consultant.

[Capn'O]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

[thebuzzardman]

Our board in general is famous for harping on college player flaws. There’s no problem with that when you’re talking about a Junior, or some 22 year old but RJ is only 18 years old. It felt like 80% of people were absolutely crucifying Trae Young last year for his endless list of issues (small, weak, not athletic, chucker) etc the list goes on. And we all know how that turned out this past year. I’m not comparing RJ and Trae stylistically but the point is you really don’t know how these young kids will pan out. Taking into account all of RJ’s flaws he would be the best Knick prospect in a very long time. He also fits this modern version of the NBA which is all about attacking, spacing, getting out in transition while making unselfish plays to make your team better (he’s shown great flashes here as well as tunnel vision at times). If RJ really learns how to shoot the ball he could become a legitimate problem. I also think he projects as an extremely hard worker, a dog who will be in the gym night and day.

Our board is equally famous for harping on the flaws of guys who are Knicks, in their first and second seasons, who are 18,19 and 20 years old as well.

[thebuzzardman]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

Well, the team did have 3 guys most people feel would go something like 1,2 (or 3) and say anywhere from 5-7

[Deeeez Knicks]

Timmy is a pretty bad comparison for RJ. Timmy even as a Sophmore/Junior wasn't close to RJ is now.

[awy]

clarke and kpjr would be a gerat haul. good mix between immediate impact and upside. it'll be a bit hard on the capspace though.

it's a fine draft to trade down but given knicks cap situation and FA ambitions it's better to trade down a lot vs a little bit.

in fairness to timmy he's a better shooter than rj.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

RJ has a lot of characteristics our front office seem to like. Seems to have great pedigree and work ethic as well.

[GONYK]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

Reddish at 3

[mpharris36]

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

RJ has a lot of characteristics our front office seem to like. Seems to have great pedigree and work ethic as well.

i get that sense as well. They have done a lot of research on Duke this year. And he fits the player mold that they tend to gravitate to (right or wrong). He seems to fit that.

[blueNorange]

i want to keep the pick.

sorry.

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[stuporman]

tacko is also DUMB trash. like "makes thabeet look like olajuwon" trash.

Do you really feel comfortable with calling a fellow human being 'dumb trash' based on your assessment of their ability to play a game? I don't know the young man personally or have any insight into his genuine character but do you? Did he kick your dog or something?

dude. i am not talking about his humanity. it's a reference to skill level. i don't know how many playgrounds you've been on, particularly in NYC. but that's all is being discussed when a player is referred to as "trash." i thought that was contextually clear. sorry.

Spent the first 21 years of my life in NYC and the Island so am quite familiar with playground talk as well as more than 20 years on the internet so understand that, too. I guess it's just my unrealistic hope to raise the level of discussion so the lowest form of discourse isn't the norm.

In that context though it could be said that from your inability to express the opinion you think Fall has low BBIQ and no real skill set so won't translate to the NBA well without denigrating language makes you 'dumb trash' as well... of course I wouldn't say it, I have more respect for you as person.

[thebuzzardman]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

No. This isn’t the draft to be looking to trade down. If you trade the pick, it better be for AD. Let’s not overthink this and get too cute only to end up outsmarting ourselves.

I'd agree.
If the Knicks know KD & "some other big name" is coming, that's a team trying to go deep in the playoffs. Which means in talent consolidation mode. Which means more talent in one human when possible. Which means RJ and not trading back for more talent and depth, but across more bodies - 2

I don't mind the Knicks exploring and doing due diligence, as if they strike out in free agency and decide to go another year of "building", maybe in that scenario there is something to be gained by getting two players, with the team even looking to add contracts for a year or two and gather more picks. And even in this scenario, I'm not convinced it's smart, as eventually a team has to get it's hands on difference makers - at least take a chance on a guy becoming one. All this aside from the obvious that a #3 level guy is more attractive in an AD trade.

TLDR - agreeing with you; don't mind if Pills doing some due diligence just in case.

[Capn'O]

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

RJ has a lot of characteristics our front office seem to like. Seems to have great pedigree and work ethic as well.

Has the mentality of a first option player as well.

I wanted him in BAF. Probably has a floor of Tyreke but maybe that's his most likely outcome? I think his shooting will sort itself out but decision making will be his biggest hurdle towards greatness.

[SmoothLefty21]

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Future knick folks.

Hopefully the Pels are in that group; it means trading for AD is much more realistic.

[thebuzzardman]

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

RJ has a lot of characteristics our front office seem to like. Seems to have great pedigree and work ethic as well.

Has the mentality of a first option player as well.

I wanted him in BAF. Probably has a floor of Tyreke but maybe that's his most likely outcome? I think his shooting will sort itself out but decision making will be his biggest hurdle towards greatness.

He seems to check a lot of the boxes Knox had, in terms of character, solid family, athletic family background and pedigree, but with a more alpha personality, more killer instinct.

Agreeing - just saying as the Knicks seemed to be looking into character with players, Barrett has those boxes checked. Then consider the Knicks have shown a preference for wings that attack the rim (I guess that's everyone) and were touting tall, positionless basketball, and choices like Mudiay and Mario as trials - bigger guys, will take it to the rack (if not always well), Barrett seems to check a lot basketball boxes as well - based on players traits post Perry.

[Tron Carter]

how so?

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

Reddish at 3

tbh if they did that I might applaud it because that would take serious balls due diligence

[Jeff Van Gully]

edit: i don't know why i thought bno was anti-barrett at some point

[SmoothLefty21]

This is the first time since Ewing that I think our draft choice is a foregone conclusion weeks before the draft. We're taking Barrett. Usually it's fun to debate a handful of prospects but we aren't taking Culver or Garland here.

I haven't been a fan of his game all season but it's time to accept that he's our guy and we have to hope he can develop and overcome his current weaknesses.

[GONYK]

Maybe it's just a feel but they were scouting at Duke a lot.

Reddish at 3

tbh if they did that I might applaud it because that would take serious balls due diligence

I was kidding. I hope they trade down if that's the true intention.

I can only take so many Daniel Jones type picks.