Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[dakomish23]

Memphis getting a draft pick for taking Iguodala, and now they going to trade him for more draft picks. What an incredible use of cap space.

Smart rebuilds always do stuff like this

We’ve seen 3 teams from our own division do the asset for salary dump route and we’ve seen those 3 teams enter the upper tier of NBA teams.

All since the last time we made the playoffs.

Meanwhile in Knicksland....

Lets have some patience. The knicks traded KP for Assets, and these deals (Which all have team options) are for high level roleplayers that teams will want come playoff time. We could still trade for either picks or maybe young players.

The point that a lot of people are missing is the knicks had a list of plans depending how Durant chose. Once he went to another team, option 2 was to move quickly to get certain guys on short deals which is what the knicks did. Now imagine if we were waiting for Kawhi and afterwards all that was left LT tier players and doing deals with teams that have historically gone out there way to short change the knicks?

I’m happy with the Randle signing.

Everything else not so much.

Give me the assets and let the kids rock. Live with the results.

Like a normal rebuild.

They don’t want to rebuild. They want to “compete”.

That’s there plan B-Z.

We’ll see if we can flip these guys , or will even be willing to flip these guys, for assets

[Cookies4Life]

I like the direction this team is heading in. No more trading draft picks away and putting a heavy emphasis on player development.

I just hope they continue to play the young guys more than the older vets. These kids have a great opportunity to get heavy minutes given the low expectation level to win.

[K_ick_God]

Smart rebuilds always do stuff like this

We’ve seen 3 teams from our own division do the asset for salary dump route and we’ve seen those 3 teams enter the upper tier of NBA teams.

All since the last time we made the playoffs.

Meanwhile in Knicksland....

Lets have some patience. The knicks traded KP for Assets, and these deals (Which all have team options) are for high level roleplayers that teams will want come playoff time. We could still trade for either picks or maybe young players.

The point that a lot of people are missing is the knicks had a list of plans depending how Durant chose. Once he went to another team, option 2 was to move quickly to get certain guys on short deals which is what the knicks did. Now imagine if we were waiting for Kawhi and afterwards all that was left LT tier players and doing deals with teams that have historically gone out there way to short change the knicks?

I’m happy with the Randle signing.

Everything else not so much.

Give me the assets and let the kids rock. Live with the results.

Like a normal rebuild.

They don’t want to rebuild. They want to “compete”.

That’s there plan B-Z.

We’ll see if we can flip these guys , or will even be willing to flip these guys, for assets

Zero vets is not normal. Not ever done really.

[YungKnicks]

Just my two cents...I would have given RJ the Grant Hill Point-Forward treatment. JJ Redick and Bullock provides nice spacing.. it will be the RJ and Randle show

G: JJ Redick/Payton/DSJ
G: RJ/Trier/Dotson
SF: Bullock/Knox/Frank
PF: Randle/Portis/Ellenson
C: MRob/Gibson/Kornet

[dakomish23]

Lets have some patience. The knicks traded KP for Assets, and these deals (Which all have team options) are for high level roleplayers that teams will want come playoff time. We could still trade for either picks or maybe young players.

The point that a lot of people are missing is the knicks had a list of plans depending how Durant chose. Once he went to another team, option 2 was to move quickly to get certain guys on short deals which is what the knicks did. Now imagine if we were waiting for Kawhi and afterwards all that was left LT tier players and doing deals with teams that have historically gone out there way to short change the knicks?

I’m happy with the Randle signing.

Everything else not so much.

Give me the assets and let the kids rock. Live with the results.

Like a normal rebuild.

They don’t want to rebuild. They want to “compete”.

That’s there plan B-Z.

We’ll see if we can flip these guys , or will even be willing to flip these guys, for assets

Zero vets is not normal. Not ever done really.

Where did I say zero vets on the roster? Cmon KG. No need to twist what I said to fit a pro Knicks argument.

Veteran leadership can come way cheaper and/or via the guys you take on in a salary dump. See Demarre Carroll and BKN.

[knickstape21]

After doing some studying on the players we have I came up with the best rotation for the Knicks next season.

PG: Payton
SG: Barrett
SF: Knox
PF: Randle
C: Robinson

6th man: Smith Jr
7: Portis
8: Bullock
9: Gibson
10: Ntilikina
11: Dotson
12: Trier
13: Ellington

Inactive: Iggy and TBD

Payton over DSJ starting because he is a better pure facilitator and defender who also has chemistry with Randle from NO. Randle as the high pick option and primary scorer at PF. Barrett is an obvious at SG as a secondary playmaker and iso scorer. Knox as a spacer, cutter and spot up option at SF. Mitch for his defense and pick and roll with Payton lobs and dumps.

DSJ can be a sparkplug off the bench replacing either guard position. Portis gives Randle a break and takes his duties. Bullock replaces either Knox or Barrett providing another shooter and defender. Gibson then relieves Mitch giving them another inside defender to go with Portis' scoring. Certain nights Frank can come in instead of Bullock for defensive reasons and keeping a secondary playmaker on the court. Other nights Dotson can get the call. Trier will have to work his way into the rotation. Ellington is on the bench as a vet presence and situational shooter.

What do you guys think? Seems pretty balanced to me.

Also, it was interesting seeing in the 2 years Portis and Gibson were teammates they never shared the court together. It would seem like the 2 would compliment each other.

I agree with this, although the lack of shooting is concerning. Fun group, though.

We’re a pretty deep team no matter how you put it. Not many teams can reach down to their 12th man for insurance.

[K_ick_God]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

[K_ick_God]

I’m happy with the Randle signing.

Everything else not so much.

Give me the assets and let the kids rock. Live with the results.

Like a normal rebuild.

They don’t want to rebuild. They want to “compete”.

That’s there plan B-Z.

We’ll see if we can flip these guys , or will even be willing to flip these guys, for assets

Zero vets is not normal. Not ever done really.

Where did I say zero vets on the roster? Cmon KG. No need to twist what I said to fit a pro Knicks argument.

Veteran leadership can come way cheaper and/or via the guys you take on in a salary dump. See Demarre Carroll and BKN.

They paid more because they wanted tradable or cuttable assets. Plus better players.

You can’t get quality depth from just scraps. A guy like Elfrid is a step up.

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[JustCame]

Perry gave Barrett and Randle a chance to make the postseason. It's up to those two how far we go. If Barrett can have a rookie of the year type of campaign, and Randle can improve a bit more (Especially defensively) we could definitely compete.

Perry provided plenty of depth, which almost insures that there will be a good team around them. When you have 12+ start-able players, some of them will have career years.

Our late game lineup actually looks killer if Barrett can develop into a trustworthy playmaker:

Barrett
Ellington/Trier
Bullock/Knox
Randle
Mitch

That lineup obviously wouldn't fly for a whole game, because that would be too much of a playmaking responsibility for a teenage Barrett, but I really like it for stretches and to close out games.

[Jay10]

Since there is nothing for Kawhi to gain by making his decision known now before the moratorium ends, I think he will wait until July 6th when everyone can sign their contracts.

[Rooster8]

Just my two cents...I would have given RJ the Grant Hill Point-Forward treatment. JJ Redick and Bullock provides nice spacing.. it will be the RJ and Randle show

G: JJ Redick/Payton/DSJ
G: RJ/Trier/Dotson
SF: Bullock/Knox/Frank
PF: Randle/Portis/Ellenson
C: MRob/Gibson/Kornet

Redick went to New Orleans

[Triple C]

[god shammgod]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

he's slightly smallish as a 2 so i've said before if ever wants to be a starter he needs to be a point. i would hope he knows this too and starts working towards that. he's already a pretty efficient scorer and would be one of the taller points but he has to change his mindset to look for others more.

[knickstape21]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

The whole narrative that Trier is a “selfish” player is extremely unfair. I really don’t remember moments this season where I thought that.

We should absolutely value his scoring off the bench. He could be one of those guys (when we become a good team) that provide a major spark when we’re playing at Sacramento or something and it’s 34-21 at the end of the first quarter.

[jermsknicks]

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Trier is listed as 6’5. Either she’s 6’3 or he’s not that tall.

[moocow007]

The fact that it's taken ng so long for him to decide tells me that the Clippers aren't viewed as a good enough situation. The Clippers basically were the Nets of the Western Conference. To which, were there any talk of the Clippers tralking to another superstar to come to LA with Kawhi? Once AD got traded to the Lakers you'd think the Clips would be trying to clear cap for two max slots. Haven't heard a peep out of them.

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Trier is listed as 6’5. Either she’s 6’3 or he’s not that tall.

Starks was listed at 6’5 too - he’s nowhere near that tall

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Underrated pick up by us imo

That was a great interview. Smart smart guy. He's the starting PG imo