2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[Marty McFly]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

granted I've only seen that game vs south carolina state, but He doesn't seem like an Ayton or Embiid type of prospect to me.

lol Ayton

are you going to pretend he wasn't the number 1 overall pick?

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman got a post hook, drop step, fade-away jumper, mid range, can handle the rock a little. He schits on Mitch in every way possible

[god shammgod]

Wiseman got a post hook, drop step, fade-away jumper, mid range, can handle the rock a little. He schits on Mitch in every way possible

show me a game of his on youtube where it's not 90 percent dunks and layups. i'll wait.

this motherf*cker acting like he's olajuwon

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman got a post hook, drop step, fade-away jumper, mid range, can handle the rock a little. He schits on Mitch in every way possible

show me a game of his on youtube where it's not 90 percent dunks and layups. i'll wait.

this motherf*cker acting like he's olajuwon

Couple of jumpers in here.

Watch on YouTube

Bunch of step backs and jumpers here. And please don’t say Mitch did the same thing in high school cause he didn’t. You being a homer if you saying he did.

Watch on YouTube

[god shammgod]

Wiseman got a post hook, drop step, fade-away jumper, mid range, can handle the rock a little. He schits on Mitch in every way possible

show me a game of his on youtube where it's not 90 percent dunks and layups. i'll wait.

this motherf*cker acting like he's olajuwon

Couple of jumpers in here.

Watch on YouTube

Bunch of step backs and jumpers here. And please don’t say Mitch did the same thing in high school cause he didn’t. You being a homer if you saying he did.

Watch on YouTube

high school clips. c'mon man. and i said, he hits like 1 mid range jumper every once in awhile. that's all you got.

[god shammgod]

here's mitch in high school hitting jumpers too. start at 1 minute in.

Watch on YouTube

[3toheadmelo]

show me a game of his on youtube where it's not 90 percent dunks and layups. i'll wait.

this motherf*cker acting like he's olajuwon

Couple of jumpers in here.

Watch on YouTube

Bunch of step backs and jumpers here. And please don’t say Mitch did the same thing in high school cause he didn’t. You being a homer if you saying he did.

Watch on YouTube

high school clips. c'mon man. and i said, he hits like 1 mid range jumper every once in awhile. that's all you got.

Well he knows what his bread and butter is. Stick to dominating the paint. My point is that he’s shown flashes of having a mid post game as well and other things. He has even went coast to coast a couple of times with the ball in college. Mitch has never done that.

I’m sure if he’s played more than 3 games then this wouldn’t be a discussion. Tons of more jumpers by now. In high school he actually shot a bunch of jumpers and one of the criticisms against him was that he wanted to play more of a guard than a big. He showed those critics he can be a dominant big in college.

I’m betting on Wiseman cause he has a good all around base to be a 2 way big. Can’t say the same for foul prone Mitch. Sorry.

[HerSports85]

Smh @ NCAA. They robbed us of seeing LaMelo and Wiseman

[3toheadmelo]

here's mitch in high school hitting jumpers too. start at 1 minute in.

Watch on YouTube

All wide open jumpers. No post game. No step backs. No fade aways. Yawn. And his jumper is mad ugly.

I’ll sig bet that wiseman will shoot more jumpers in his rookie year than Mitch has shot these past 2 seasons.

[god shammgod]

here's mitch in high school hitting jumpers too. start at 1 minute in.

Watch on YouTube

All wide open jumpers. No post game. No step backs. No fade aways. Yawn. And his jumper is mad ugly.

I’ll sig bet that wiseman will shoot more jumpers in his rookie year than Mitch has shot these past 2 seasons.

what kind of bet is that ? mitch don't take any jumpers right now.

[moocow007]

My (likely unpopular) take...

Mitch does not have the personality, temperament or mindset to be a star. Wiseman because of his draft ranking and (honestly) more impressive physical tools at least can become one. Doesn't mean he will become one. Wiseman in 3 games at Memphis has taken more jump shots than Mitch has in 2 years. Wiseman's offensive game is more refined at 18 than Mitch at 21. I do not see Robinson being able to improve offensively by much and will "just" be a shotblocking defensive rebounder. Nothing wrong with that, but they don't have the same upside. Potential 2 way players have a lot more value than those that are not.

Again, doesn't mean the Knicks should draft him if they had a choice but that doesn't mean the two players are close to one another from a potential standpoint. IMO it's not even close. Put it differently. If you had a choice of keeping Robinson or replacing him with Wiseman AND still getting to take another top lottery guy, I would guess that most (none Knick fans) would go Wiseman and Ball or Wiseman and Edwards or Wiseman and Haliburton or Wiseman and [fill in whomever].

What we are talking about is a known commodity vs. a risk sure. But where the risk, if he bears fruit, would be more than the known commodity. Which one would be hypothetically better for the Knicks? Don't know.

[HerSports85]

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

[3toheadmelo]

here's mitch in high school hitting jumpers too. start at 1 minute in.

Watch on YouTube

All wide open jumpers. No post game. No step backs. No fade aways. Yawn. And his jumper is mad ugly.

I’ll sig bet that wiseman will shoot more jumpers in his rookie year than Mitch has shot these past 2 seasons.

what kind of bet is that ? mitch don't take any jumpers right now.

Which is why Wiseman is in a different stratosphere over a back up role player like Mitch. Thank you for proving my point. You’re fired.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Alright little exercise
let’s say knicks land top 3 and they also manage to trade Morris for a late first. We will call that pick #24-28.

Lamelo at pick 26 Jordan Nwora
Ball + Nwora to add along to Barrett and Mitch

So who do you pick with top 3 pick. Assuming you get your choice of ball wiseman Edwards and who do you take around 24-28

Amar (Gawd) Sylla
Paul Reed
Mamadi Diakete
Cassius Winston
Reggie Perry

[Zenzibar]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

So true Bro.

You know why? Cause the fkn Knicks fans are doped up with the thought of new shiny things.
Knox hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another
Frank hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another
Mithc hits a low point - get rid of him , draft another

Then...

Wiseman hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another.

Never-ending cycle for mthrfkn Knicks fans. Never develop these young kids, thow them out with the wash and but new ones. Is their motto.

[god shammgod]

All wide open jumpers. No post game. No step backs. No fade aways. Yawn. And his jumper is mad ugly.

I’ll sig bet that wiseman will shoot more jumpers in his rookie year than Mitch has shot these past 2 seasons.

what kind of bet is that ? mitch don't take any jumpers right now.

Which is why Wiseman is in a different stratosphere over a back up role player like Mitch. Thank you for proving my point. You’re fired.

if mitch is gobert like on defense eventually with just a little better offense, he'll be one of the best centers in the league. we're not drafting wiseman. i'll bet you that.

[Mecca]

granted I've only seen that game vs south carolina state, but He doesn't seem like an Ayton or Embiid type of prospect to me.

lol Ayton

are you going to pretend he wasn't the number 1 overall pick?

He was, but he never should’ve been.

[moocow007]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

So true Bro.

You know why? Cause the fkn Knicks fans are doped up with the thought of new shiny things.
Knox hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another
Frank hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another
Mithc hits a low point - get rid of him , draft another

Then...

Wiseman hits a low point - get rid of him, draft another.

Never-ending cycle for mthrfkn Knicks fans. Never develop these young kids, thow them out with the wash and but new ones. Is their motto.

Could be.

But then again it could be the reverse. Knicks fans homerism thinking that what they have is better than what he may actually be. So again, having Robinson may preclude the Knicks from having to draft Wiseman. That I agree with. Makes sense. Robinson is definitely good enough that you don't need to bypass other needs to draft someone you don't need. Fine.

But the debate about who is the better player in the long run has no direct correlation to the above. Robinson could be 50% of what Wiseman could be and that 50% could be more than justifiable to not draft Wiseman. But it doesn't mean Robinson is the better projected player.

[3toheadmelo]

what kind of bet is that ? mitch don't take any jumpers right now.

Which is why Wiseman is in a different stratosphere over a back up role player like Mitch. Thank you for proving my point. You’re fired.

if mitch is gobert like on defense eventually with just a little better offense, he'll be one of the best centers in the league. we're not drafting wiseman. i'll bet you that.

Knicks want Drummond/KAT. Keep thinking they won’t draft Wiseman if given the chance. Lol

And Wingo will be long dead by the time Mitch becomes Gobert with offense. I’ll bet on that

[god shammgod]

Which is why Wiseman is in a different stratosphere over a back up role player like Mitch. Thank you for proving my point. You’re fired.

if mitch is gobert like on defense eventually with just a little better offense, he'll be one of the best centers in the league. we're not drafting wiseman. i'll bet you that.

Knicks want Drummond/KAT. Keep thinking they won’t draft Wiseman if given the chance. Lol

And Wingo will be long dead by the time Mitch becomes Gobert with offense. I’ll bet on that

i mean...wingo might be dead now