2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[3toheadmelo]

Hot take but Bones Hyland has the talent of a lottery player.

[BugginOut]

He is an undersized 6’1 pg who shot 22% from 3. What am I missing here bros

People are betting on his shot. There are very few 80% FT shooters that don’t become at least average from 3. The only players that come to mind that can’t shoot the 3 but are good FT shooters are Jimmy Butler and Demar DeRozan

If Cooper’s shot comes around he can be an ELITE playmaker

Problem is that his shot doesn't just need to "come around" it needs to become elite, like 95th percentile or better, elite for him to ever have the gravity to create the openings for his playmaking. And having a low & slow shot, when you're already tiny, makes me very dubious of taking that bet.

I'm much higher on Butler or Mann, for us.

Not saying I’m sold on Cooper, but as we’ve seen with Trae all he needs to do is rework his shot and have it be above average so that players have to go over screens. He doesn’t need to be Steph from 3. He already draws fouls at an elite rate so you are betting on his shooting being the last part of the game to come around

[stuporman]

The modern NBA is so predicated on shooting the ball from every level that it makes me wary of getting a guy who doesn't shoot it well from deep. Cooper is intriguing as a dribble drive player because this is something the Knicks lack but if the player can't use it in conjunction with pull up shooting from all over it's less effective in the NBA.

Do the Knicks want to wait and hope he can figure it out? As a fan I'm exhausted by waiting for players drafted to figure that out. It would be nice to have a guy who can fill it up from all over right away and have something else they need to figure out.

[Fat]

The modern NBA is so predicated on shooting the ball from every level that it makes me wary of getting a guy who doesn't shoot it well from deep. Cooper is intriguing as a dribble drive player because this is something the Knicks lack but if the player can't use it in conjunction with pull up shooting from all over it's less effective in the NBA.

Do the Knicks want to wait and hope he can figure it out? As a fan I'm exhausted by waiting for players drafted to figure that out. It would be nice to have a guy who can fill it up from all over right away and have something else they need to figure out.

Point guard is the toughest position to figure out I dont think anyone of them in our range is actually ready for big minutes. Except Maybe butler he’s kind of plug and play

We will most likely find a Starting point guard via trade or free agency and If the Knicks plan on resigning Derrick Rose which they’d be fools not to do, How do you even find playing time for a rookie guard with Rose/quickly coming off the bench already?. That’s not even factoring In the guard we just signed from overseas who id imagine is going to get some playtime next year.

If your the Knicks you come out the draft with at least one point guard because your lifeless at that position But we might actually be better off drafting a young raw rookie guard like daishen nix and letting em develop in the g league for a little while.

[sol537]

Draft two PG's and hope that at least one becomes competent.

[stuporman]

The modern NBA is so predicated on shooting the ball from every level that it makes me wary of getting a guy who doesn't shoot it well from deep. Cooper is intriguing as a dribble drive player because this is something the Knicks lack but if the player can't use it in conjunction with pull up shooting from all over it's less effective in the NBA.

Do the Knicks want to wait and hope he can figure it out? As a fan I'm exhausted by waiting for players drafted to figure that out. It would be nice to have a guy who can fill it up from all over right away and have something else they need to figure out.

Point guard is the toughest position to figure out I dont think anyone of them in our range is actually ready for big minutes. Except Maybe butler he’s kind of plug and play

If the Knicks plan on resigning Derrick Rose which they’d be fools not to do, How do you even find playing time for a rookie guard with Rose/quickly coming off the bench already?. That’s not even factoring In the guard we just signed from overseas who id imagine is going to get some playtime next year.

If your the Knicks you come out the draft with at least one point guard because your lifeless at that position But we might actually be better off drafting a young raw rookie guard like daishen nix and letting em develop in the g league for a little while.

Rose is coming back for sure but I suspect he'll be back on a 25min limit next season whether he's starting or off the bench. Luca is definitely intriguing and he's a vet pro even if it's foreign league experience he will be able to provide at least 20mins a game from the jump.

I'd like to believe that IQ will be a better facilitator next season and I bet he will be but I can just as easily see him remaining in an off the bench microwave role as he continues to mature into someone who can run an offense possession after possession, game after game getting everyone involved.

Then there is the possibility of bringing in another vet PG but it depends on the type. Will it be a more typical 6-3 sized guy or will it be an big one like Lonzo? The bigger one adds more flexibility to the rotation and may open up a need for drafting a typical sized one for injury depth and eventual absence of Rose.

Or will they continue to stack up big play makers through the draft as well by taking a guy like Ayo or Mann after seeing how well Burks has been able to play the 1 effectively. There isn't anything wrong with taking both like Butler and Mann/Ayo either, the Knicks do need play making depth in the back court.

Thibs does play a shortish rotation but has been able to spread around the minutes because of injuries and other stuff so there will be a need for depth. Plus not every one of the vets will return and in a season or two these young guys will mature to get their chance to shine in extended mins.

If Cooper is there at 32 though I would have no problem with them taking the chance on his potential and skill set especially if they wound up with a couple of bigger guys from the likes of Williams/Garuba/Duarte/Ayo/Mann in the first round.

There's so much great talent in this draft all the way through that it really comes down to what they envision for the team, who they can get at their picks and then develop them in a way that maximizes their potential. The job they did last draft does show some promise they have a plan.

[HEZI]

No mention of Miles McBride as a major sleeper this year?

Watch on YouTube

I don't think we are starting a rookie PG next season, at least not one who isn't from the top crop of the draft but we likely look to make a big push to sign Lonzo as plan A and then if we don't there are likely fall back options on our radar. Having said that, somebody like McBride intrigues me as he's got the pedigree to find some rotation minutes off the bench.

[cgf]

Lonzo | D. Rose | Butler
Bullock | Quick | Vildoza
Barrett | Burks* | Ziaire
Randle | Toppin | Murphy
Robinson | Noel* | Gibson

*or comparable FAs if Burks & Noel won't take inflated 1-year deals to return.

Stabilize ourselves as a tough playoff team and let the core grow for another year while we position ourselves for the big splash. Then hit the 2022-2023 season with a team that's got the guns to seriously contend after signing Lavine or making a big trade for that third star to join Julius & year-4-RJ.

[stuporman]

Hot take but Bones Hyland has the talent of a lottery player.

That's not really too hot of a take but yes he does though he's got the same things as IQ did being held against him. He's not really a PG, is seen as a 6-3 SG so his skill set and physical profile don't project out as what the league is searching for.

He definitely can drive and shoot. I don't know that the Knicks take him with IQ on board since they seem like very similar players yet I welcome him if he does get drafted by them. He may even be a better version of IQ.... now that might be a hot take.

[stuporman]

Watching this makes me think he'd fit right in with the Knicks fam.... c'mon on in and play next season with your idol Rose...

Knicks can get their young version of Burks right here.

Watch on YouTube

[HarthorneWingo]

Hot take but Bones Hyland has the talent of a lottery player.

Don’t you think that we’re most likely trading these picks to either move up or use them to acquire a more seasoned player for immediate help?

[newyorker4ever]

No mention of Miles McBride as a major sleeper this year?

Watch on YouTube

I don't think we are starting a rookie PG next season, at least not one who isn't from the top crop of the draft but we likely look to make a big push to sign Lonzo as plan A and then if we don't there are likely fall back options on our radar. Having said that, somebody like McBride intrigues me as he's got the pedigree to find some rotation minutes off the bench.

I've seen mocks having us draft him with our first 1st round pick.

[Richard4444]

DraftRoom mock put us drafting 3 PFs with our 4 picks. They are literally mocking us.

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

[thebuzzardman]

Draft two PG's and hope that at least one becomes competent.

Yes, the DSJr & Frank experiment turned out so well...

[thebuzzardman]

DraftRoom mock put us drafting 3 PFs with our 4 picks. They are literally mocking us.

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft/

Hilarious one year old joke!

[knickstape4ever]

the only draft prospect I know that is officially signed w/ CAA is Jalen Green, but while reading an article on ESPN, I think the following players will be CAA clients too:

Davion Mitchell
Keon Johnson
Cam Thomas
Day'Ron Sharpe
Isaiah Jackson

all of them are working out together w/ Don MacLean who is connected w/ CAA

[WargamesX]

Watching this makes me think he'd fit right in with the Knicks fam.... c'mon on in and play next season with your idol Rose...

Knicks can get their young version of Burks right here.

Watch on YouTube

If the idea was to draft someone who could play PG next to Quickley long term. I think Ayo is the best pick. Most of his issues is BBIQ and he could get stronger on drives but physically he is a big PG/SG. Both would defend well and yes he seems like a work-a-holic playing 35 minutes per game.

[Richard4444]

I dont think we will draft a pure PG (at least with our 2 FRP).

We have cap space to get a proper vet replacement for Payton, to be a starter in a win-now team under Thibs.

Moreover, I think the plan is to keep Luca for next season as a third-string PG who can eventually split PG duties in the second unit.

Obviously, this strategy won't stop us to take a flyer in a good PG that drops to the second round to be a 2-way player.

[WargamesX]

I dont think we will draft a pure PG (at least with our 2 FRP).

We have cap space to get a proper vet replacement for Payton, to be a starter in a win-now team under Thibs.

Moreover, I think the plan is to keep Luca for next season as a third-string PG who can eventually split PG duties in the second unit.

Obviously, this strategy won't stop us to take a flyer in a good PG that drops to the second round to be a 2-way player.

I don’t think we’re going to spend too much on a PG. If we balance our books we can keep the majority of team on cap friendly deals, add youth, and go after Zach Lavine/Bradley Beal in 2022. Either of Zach or Beal were on this team and we’re breezing through this round and probably Philly as well. We just need a high level scorer to be legit contenders.

Looking at comps I see a lot of logic in grabbing Ziare to train into a 3&D, Ayo as a balanced Combo guard who can create, and Bassely as a rim protecting Big. As insurance in case Bullock, Burks, or Noel are offered too much by other teams. Of any of those guys stay on cap friendly deal, you add the rooks to the bench and let them develop.

[Richard4444]

I dont think we will draft a pure PG (at least with our 2 FRP).

We have cap space to get a proper vet replacement for Payton, to be a starter in a win-now team under Thibs.

Moreover, I think the plan is to keep Luca for next season as a third-string PG who can eventually split PG duties in the second unit.

Obviously, this strategy won't stop us to take a flyer in a good PG that drops to the second round to be a 2-way player.

I don’t think we’re going to spend too much on a PG. If we balance our books we can keep the majority of team on cap friendly deals, add youth, and go after Zach Lavine/Bradley Beal in 2022. Either of Zach or Beal were on this team and we’re breezing through this round and probably Philly as well. We just need a high level scorer to be legit contenders.

Looking at comps I see a lot of logic in grabbing Ziare to train into a 3&D, Ayo as a balanced Combo guard who can create, and Bassely as a rim protecting Big. As insurance in case Bullock, Burks, or Noel are offered too much by other teams. Of any of those guys stay on cap friendly deal, you add the rooks to the bench and let them develop.

I don't think it's a nice strategy to save money now to expect to get a player like Lavine or Beal in 2022.

We cant count on Beal or Lavine signing with us in 2022. They keep telling everyone they will re-sign with their current teams. Besides, they can be traded before hit the FA window (sign and trade also an option).

We need a PG now. I think we cant miss the opportunity to get a nice PG. And I think it would not be too difficult to move him or others players in a sign and trade deal if Lavine/Beal become available.