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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#441 » by moocow007 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 8:09 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Feels like Leon wants to flip Mitch for a Donte replacement. Remember, the original deal they wanted to do was Mitch and Randle for KAT and keep Donte. Instead they traded Donte and kept Mitch. Now they will flip Mitch for a 3D shooting guard. Plan was always KAT at Center and surrounding him and Brunson with 3D players


Trey Murphy would be a pretty good if unorthodox Donte replacement. Similar 3 point shooting (and Trey Murphy shoots them from crazy range) but better positional need, upgrade-ish defense and higher upside.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#442 » by ScienceOfLosing » Mon Oct 7, 2024 8:17 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:Feels like Leon wants to flip Mitch for a Donte replacement. Remember, the original deal they wanted to do was Mitch and Randle for KAT and keep Donte. Instead they traded Donte and kept Mitch. Now they will flip Mitch for a 3D shooting guard. Plan was always KAT at Center and surrounding him and Brunson with 3D players


Trey Murphy would be a pretty good if unorthodox Donte replacement. Similar 3 point shooting (and Trey Murphy shoots them from crazy range) but better positional need, upgrade-ish defense and higher upside.


I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.
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Post#443 » by Wildcat » Mon Oct 7, 2024 9:09 pm

If Deuce sticks to the 40% 3P clip, I rather pass on Trey and gamble on Robinson and hope Tyler gets the nod sooner rather than later.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#444 » by WargamesX » Mon Oct 7, 2024 9:52 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:Feels like Leon wants to flip Mitch for a Donte replacement. Remember, the original deal they wanted to do was Mitch and Randle for KAT and keep Donte. Instead they traded Donte and kept Mitch. Now they will flip Mitch for a 3D shooting guard. Plan was always KAT at Center and surrounding him and Brunson with 3D players


Trey Murphy would be a pretty good if unorthodox Donte replacement. Similar 3 point shooting (and Trey Murphy shoots them from crazy range) but better positional need, upgrade-ish defense and higher upside.


I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.


possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.

Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#445 » by NiceLikeChrist » Mon Oct 7, 2024 10:48 pm

what we need to do is trade mitch for a mitch replacement. Just get a reliable center idk why this team decided to suddenly do the most. iHart killed us
NiceLikeChrist wrote:We are going to deeply regret this. We traded away the best player in the trade and still had to give up a great role player AND a pick?

so many people are going to eat their words about randle
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Post#446 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Oct 7, 2024 11:09 pm

NiceLikeChrist wrote:what we need to do is trade mitch for a mitch replacement. Just get a reliable center idk why this team decided to suddenly do the most. iHart killed us


Shart definitely changed the way things went down. As did Mitch being fragile but, it was a combination of the two that started the ball rolling. Then Randle didn't want to sign his extension. The FO went in a different direction with that trade. I don't even like the trade but, here we are.

It's up to Thibs and the players to make this work. One thing we can say, they made it work last season for 3 months or so with several different versions of a team. We had several different versions the entire season actually but, whatever. Hopefully they do it again.

We definitely lost a lot of the grit/toughness with Shart/Randle/DDV gone but, we didn't take a massive talent hit with the trade. Depth is a different story but again, we rolled to a game of the ECF with far less talent than we have right now.

I hope they prove the haters/doubters wrong. I hope we get a legit run with this squad that we can all enjoy. This is the reality we live in now. It makes zero sense harping on what never was that could have been. It's over.
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Post#448 » by WargamesX » Mon Oct 7, 2024 11:38 pm

NiceLikeChrist wrote:what we need to do is trade mitch for a mitch replacement. Just get a reliable center idk why this team decided to suddenly do the most. iHart killed us


Easier said than Done. Mitch is very good at what he does. I would say healthy he is a top 5 defensive center and is up there with Rudy. Teams have also won championships with injury prone defensive centers. Bynum and Tyson Chandler comes to mind. They have one playoffs healthy and its a wrap for all the other players.
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Post#449 » by sol537 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 12:08 am

We also brought in a new health lead to help Mitch and OG stay on the floor longer. Let’s hope it works out.
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Post#450 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 8, 2024 1:09 am

sol537 wrote:We also brought in a new health lead to help Mitch and OG stay on the floor longer. Let’s hope it works out.


Mitch misses 60 games instead of 70
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Post#451 » by dukeknicksirish » Tue Oct 8, 2024 1:59 am

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Post#452 » by RHODEY » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:08 am

WargamesX wrote:
ScienceOfLosing wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Trey Murphy would be a pretty good if unorthodox Donte replacement. Similar 3 point shooting (and Trey Murphy shoots them from crazy range) but better positional need, upgrade-ish defense and higher upside.


I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.


possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.

Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
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Post#453 » by DaGawd » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:27 am

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Post#454 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:02 am

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I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.


possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.

Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
Well said.

We need to keep Mitch imo. Come December we’ll be happy to have a strong, rim-protecting big. He’ll be great next to Towns and also a great option to give him a breather.

The injuries are a concern, but especially in that context, Murphy really is not the player we need. I like him a lot and he would have been my top choice had we not gone after Bridges - and maybe he would’ve been the better choice (not player) even, but we need Mitch more now.

I would trade Mitch for Sengun, but there is no plausible package for Houston‘s franchise player with Randle already gone. I’d also trade him for Stewart or Duren or maybe Paul Reed + Malik Beasley, but why does Detroit do it? I love browsing hoopshype‘s salary and roster charts in search of interesting ideas and found Toronto as trading partners for RJ - I just didn’t know if it was going to be Siakam or OG, then I looked at Brooklyn with Bridges and Cam Johnson and now Towns obviously with their glut at center and cap situation. However, there aren’t any interesting teams left outside of Houston, Orlando and Detroit really. Indiana won’t trade us Turner anymore. Ayton is too pricey. Washington has already dealt Gafford. Charlotte would want McBride and I don’t like it. Atlanta would not trade Capela for an injured Mitch, would they? We would have to throw in 8 million in fillers too. Same with Vucevic and while I love him as a player, he is not the defender we need next to Towns, to put it mildly. Mitch is our best choice. It is what it is.

We don’t have many options outside of hoping for Mitch to be healthy and let’s be clear: he is a very serviceable center if he plays.

Edit: And just as I say that, my favorite for our job has signed an extension with Orlando.
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Post#455 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:07 am

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yeah i dont want kessler no more

I would take him, but not for McBride. Kessler and Sexton for Mitch, McBride and Dadiet :lol:
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Post#456 » by Spree2Houston » Tue Oct 8, 2024 12:04 pm

Nuggets about to be in the same situation as the Timberwolves starting next year. Jokic and Murray will both be making 50 million while Porter jr will be making close to 40 million. Aaron Gordon won’t be resigned and will become a cap casualty. He should be a target for us if he becomes available
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#457 » by WargamesX » Tue Oct 8, 2024 12:06 pm

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possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.

Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
Well said.

We need to keep Mitch imo. Come December we’ll be happy to have a strong, rim-protecting big. He’ll be great next to Towns and also a great option to give him a breather.

The injuries are a concern, but especially in that context, Murphy really is not the player we need. I like him a lot and he would have been my top choice had we not gone after Bridges - and maybe he would’ve been the better choice (not player) even, but we need Mitch more now.

I would trade Mitch for Sengun, but there is no plausible package for Houston‘s franchise player with Randle already gone. I’d also trade him for Stewart or Duren or maybe Paul Reed + Malik Beasley, but why does Detroit do it? I love browsing hoopshype‘s salary and roster charts in search of interesting ideas and found Toronto as trading partners for RJ - I just didn’t know if it was going to be Siakam or OG, then I looked at Brooklyn with Bridges and Cam Johnson and now Towns obviously with their glut at center and cap situation. However, there aren’t any interesting teams left outside of Houston, Orlando and Detroit really. Indiana won’t trade us Turner anymore. Ayton is too pricey. Washington has already dealt Gafford. Charlotte would want McBride and I don’t like it. Atlanta would not trade Capela for an injured Mitch, would they? We would have to throw in 8 million in fillers too. Same with Vucevic and while I love him as a player, he is not the defender we need next to Towns, to put it mildly. Mitch is our best choice. It is what it is.

We don’t have many options outside of hoping for Mitch to be healthy and let’s be clear: he is a very serviceable center if he plays.

Edit: And just as I say that, my favorite for our job has signed an extension with Orlando.


Honestly I think they are trying to see now if that is the case. It can't be lost on them that Towns and Rudy are who made it to the WCF, but they can also use more talent on the bench, and once Mitch heals up and shows he can still play, his value won't go higher. So they have to see if KAT can be the center and maximize Mitch or if KAT cannot be the Center Bring Mitch back to try and take on that Rudy role with the starters.

Basically the next 20-30 games will decide the makeup of the team. We know they are leaning on moving Mitch because of the rumors, but based on their history this regime doesn't like to take unneeded risks either
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#458 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Oct 8, 2024 1:28 pm

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Post#459 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Oct 8, 2024 1:56 pm

All shot blockers get dunked on from time to time. I'd be ok with Kessler if Ainge didn't want a Wemby level package in return.

There should be similar level Centers available at the deadline anyway. But honestly I think Precious and Sims will be just fine.
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Post#460 » by BKlutch » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:17 pm

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Yea i think thats why the knicks walked away

That's just why we don't want to make a hasty trade for a guy who plays like that. He didn't even try.
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