PG: Knicks vs ATL

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That guy had a 48% 2 point percentage and was shooting 39% from 3-10 feet

He’s in the 60s this year because he’s playing a role he’s more suited for. Less ball handling and more getting to his spots off ball. Hes not someone you give the ball to for creating offense, he’s a guy you want getting to his spots off the ball. Yes it’s Mikal

He's a worse player with us than he was with the Nets, that's not Tom's fault.


He was in the 81st percentile as a PnR ball handler with the Nets, yes just go stand in the corner and be efficient and worse now under Tom. He is at .94ppp as PnR ball handler this year, nobody is saying he's Luka, but give him more chances on the ball. Nope, not Tom's fault for extracting less from him than Jacque Vaughn


Bro just spare me all the jumping through hoops, nothing is Thibs fault to you, I get it.

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

81st percentile in PnR as a ball handler with the Nets is inefficient now, .94 ppp as a PnR ball handler this season on par with Booker and Herro, why even try it you know?. Not Tom's fault bro, I understand, why try something different when you can continue doing things that don't work.


We won't see eye to eye because you have established nothing is Thibs fault across various issues with the team.

[Fury]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

I’ll save you the paragraphs

We lost both trades

The Knicks could've traded Randle for '91 Jordan and you'd say we lost the trade.

[Buttah304]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

I’ll save you the paragraphs

We lost both trades

Please take a Xanax before you end up having to create a brand new username. You might not make it to the ASB! Just calm down and pivot to dumping on RJ that’s usually fun

[3toheadmelo]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

I’ll save you the paragraphs

We lost both trades

The Knicks could've traded Randle for '91 Jordan and you'd say we lost the trade.

I was on record for the past couple of years saying to trade him for Embiid/Giannis if they became available. You guys are being ridiculous

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

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Jhart is all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

I mean, he keeps admitting he's just trolling, so yeah.

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

[3toheadmelo]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

I’ll save you the paragraphs

We lost both trades

Please take a Xanax before you end up having to create a brand new username. You might not make it to the ASB! Just calm down and pivot to dumping on RJ that’s usually fun

Just posting my opinion buttah! Mine just isn’t popular so that’s why I’m catching all the heat. But fine I’ll pivot to schitting on rj

[robillionaire]

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

If you just accept everybody here is a terrible person and a massive piece of shittu and in many cases a serial killer the experience is much more enjoyable

[3toheadmelo]

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

I see you don’t have much self awareness eh

[KnixinSix]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

GET THE ELITE RIM PROTECTOR!!!!

[HEZI]

He's a worse player with us than he was with the Nets, that's not Tom's fault.


He was in the 81st percentile as a PnR ball handler with the Nets, yes just go stand in the corner and be efficient and worse now under Tom. He is at .94ppp as PnR ball handler this year, nobody is saying he's Luka, but give him more chances on the ball. Nope, not Tom's fault for extracting less from him than Jacque Vaughn


Bro just spare me all the jumping through hoops, nothing is Thibs fault to you, I get it.

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

81st percentile in PnR as a ball handler with the Nets is inefficient now, .94 ppp as a PnR ball handler this season on par with Booker and Herro, why even try it you know?. Not Tom's fault bro, I understand, why try something different when you can continue doing things that don't work.


We won't see eye to eye because you have established nothing is Thibs fault across various issues with the team.

Everybody else improves but nope not poor Mikal. His struggles aren’t his own it’s obviously the coach. He also was able to shoot 3s and FTs but oh well Thibs fault now he can’t. Poor guy

The guy we got to shoot can’t shoot but you know what does sound great? More usage and pick and roll opportunities so he can show us just how much he’s not good at that either

[Jalen Bluntson]

He's a worse player with us than he was with the Nets, that's not Tom's fault.


He was in the 81st percentile as a PnR ball handler with the Nets, yes just go stand in the corner and be efficient and worse now under Tom. He is at .94ppp as PnR ball handler this year, nobody is saying he's Luka, but give him more chances on the ball. Nope, not Tom's fault for extracting less from him than Jacque Vaughn


Bro just spare me all the jumping through hoops, nothing is Thibs fault to you, I get it.

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

81st percentile in PnR as a ball handler with the Nets is inefficient now, .94 ppp as a PnR ball handler this season on par with Booker and Herro, why even try it you know?. Not Tom's fault bro, I understand, why try something different when you can continue doing things that don't work.


We won't see eye to eye because you have established nothing is Thibs fault across various issues with the team.

I don't even know why you keep it up at this point. You must be stubborn like me! Facts and examples don't matter. It's all the players fault. Thibs is a genius! Case closed.

[8516knicks]

Looks like we'll be treading water till Mitch returns.

But then, if things don't pick up significantly (though we're doing OK now, just not where we all thought getting Mikal and kat for Randle would put us [not counting DDV here or loss of IHART[ ) what can be done?

They just gave Thibs a bag. Would they really jetison him? (And I'm in the pro Thibs corner but would like someone to threaten him to WAKE UP once in a wihle and make adjustments).

And if no coaching changes are in the offing, how can we improve?

I don't think even having Mitch at his best would put us much past last year's team - 2n round exit.

Not complaining - much better than the previous 20 years.

Still...to be so close last year we could taste it to have fallen back into B/B minus from B plus/A minus level is ... sad.

[Jalen Bluntson]

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

I see you don’t have much self awareness eh

It's about you, not me. Nice try. Deflect and lie. Case closed.

[3toheadmelo]

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

I see you don’t have much self awareness eh

It's about you, not me. Nice try. Deflect and lie. Case closed.

Proved my point

[Jalen Bluntson]

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

He's been trolling the board forever. That's his thing. It took me a while to get used to it as I have had many battles with him. The solution is simple, ignore him. He spam trolls so it can get annoying but, self control has been key for me. I actually get along with him now because, when he discusses basketball without being a troll there's substance there and, I stop taking the bait now.

There is no arguing/debating with him when he is wrong or you simply disagree because he just lies and repeats those lies/exaggerations until his fingers fall off. Deflection is his other big tactical maneuver. Team villain is a thing he's proud of. Figure out what your dealing with and act accordingly.

I enjoy the board more now that I mod my own behavior when dealing with him. He's actually kind of funny once you realize you shouldn't take him seriously most of the time. Mature discussion is not really his forte. Shyt talk and trolling are his favorite forms of communication around here. Step up your game or don't engage is the mentality I took after years of wanting to punch him in his face.

If you just accept everybody here is a terrible person and a massive piece of shittu and in many cases a serial killer the experience is much more enjoyable

[Jalen Bluntson]

I see you don’t have much self awareness eh

It's about you, not me. Nice try. Deflect and lie. Case closed.

Proved my point

Nope. I admitted my mistakes in that post. You are here actually proving what I said. Are we really gonna do a back and forth about this or can I get back to hating Thibs in peace?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

81st percentile in PnR as a ball handler with the Nets is inefficient now, .94 ppp as a PnR ball handler this season on par with Booker and Herro, why even try it you know?. Not Tom's fault bro, I understand, why try something different when you can continue doing things that don't work.


We won't see eye to eye because you have established nothing is Thibs fault across various issues with the team.

Everybody else improves but nope not poor Mikal. His struggles aren’t his own it’s obviously the coach. He also was able to shoot 3s and FTs but oh well Thibs fault now he can’t. Poor guy

The guy we got to shoot can’t shoot but you know what does sound great? More usage and pick and roll opportunities so he can show us just how much he’s not good at that either

I don't know whose fault it is for Mikal struggling to find himself, I can assure you though that it can't be Tom's, he's just the coach of the team.

Quick question, why are we the only team in the NBA with 3 players in the top 10 for MPG? We have 1, 4 and 7 in the rankings, no other team even has 2 guys among the top 10, since the coach is never at fault for anything, when can we start blaming these guys for having too much endurance?

[8516knicks]

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

81st percentile in PnR as a ball handler with the Nets is inefficient now, .94 ppp as a PnR ball handler this season on par with Booker and Herro, why even try it you know?. Not Tom's fault bro, I understand, why try something different when you can continue doing things that don't work.


We won't see eye to eye because you have established nothing is Thibs fault across various issues with the team.

Everybody else improves but nope not poor Mikal. His struggles aren’t his own it’s obviously the coach. He also was able to shoot 3s and FTs but oh well Thibs fault now he can’t. Poor guy

The guy we got to shoot can’t shoot but you know what does sound great? More usage and pick and roll opportunities so he can show us just how much he’s not good at that either

You wouldn't be a JETS fan taking out disappointed Aaron Rogers dreams by projections on poor Mikal, would you?

[3toheadmelo]

It's about you, not me. Nice try. Deflect and lie. Case closed.

Proved my point

Nope. I admitted my mistakes in that post. You are here actually proving what I said. Are we really gonna do a back and forth about this or can I get back to hating Thibs in peace?

Did you admit you deflect and repeatedly troll in your post? I’ll let you get back to hating Thibs