PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[Worst_to_First]

Gun to my head forcing me to say Hali is better than Brunson im meeting god grabbing my nuts saying FCK HALI

Im just built different i guess.

Haliburton a +16, JB a -16.

It has been harped on much here about staggering JB's and KAT's minutes, but I think the move should also be to limit the time that JB has to face Hali.

Thibs should try changing substitution patters wherein it is KAT, Landry, Delon, etc. the ones to be in during the bottom half of the first quarter. Put JB in beginning of the second with Mitch and Deuce to counter McConnell.

[Guano]

Gun to my head forcing me to say Hali is better than Brunson im meeting god grabbing my nuts saying FCK HALI

Im just built different i guess.

You're going to hell sir

I'll take my chance there cause this sucks

[ctorres]

alright guys, I uploaded Obi Toppin's game winner to youtube just so we could talk about it on here

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If this shot hadn't happened, we'd still be in this game.

What happened here? Who was at fault. Someone please explain where the defense broke down and if this was the players' fault, Thibs' fault, or everyone's fault.

I apologize for the quality. I uploaded it as quick as possible.

To me, it looks like Mikal got lost and distracted. It seemed like it was his job to keep up with Toppin.

KAT was guarding the inbounder.

[Chanel Bomber]

This is reactionary

Which is comical of me to point out. But we're a ridiculous collapse from being tied 2-2 and none of this is brought up

You're Mr Reasonable all of a sudden

I'll get right. Im sad right now

Bro I understand, this sucks

[The KnicksFix]

Jalen and KAT have consistently sat together during post-game. KAT respects Jalen as "cap"

Do they show any signs of resentment towards each other, or is that only something that would be speculated on here?

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KAT respects JB a lot. Since the start of the season very first game, he is the first who runs towards JB every time he falls and picks him up. Even in Game 4 against the Pistons when KAT hit the game winner, he threw the attention and praise back to JB.

It is JB that I think who does not embrace KAT as a partner. KAT would have gotten so much more points if JB looked towards his way whenever KAT slips after giving a screen. Don't know if JB resents KAT for losing Divo.

They’re professional ball players
If my boy goes out in a trade, but im still the king of the franchise, then so be it
I just think thats how JB is, he’s just not with the sh**s anymore because he realizes the shortcomings of thibs

[Chanel Bomber]

alright guys, I uploaded Obi Toppin's game winner to youtube just so we could talk about it on here

Watch on YouTube

If this shot hadn't happened, we'd still be in this game.

What happened here? Who was at fault. Someone please explain where the defense broke down and if this was the players' fault, Thibs' fault, or everyone's fault.

I apologize for the quality. I uploaded it as quick as possible.

To me, it looks like Mikal got lost and distracted. It seemed like it was his job to keep up with Toppin.

KAT was guarding the inbounder.

Seems like miscommunication between Brunson and Bridges. Bridges thinks they're switching but Brunson chases his man. Bridges is only seeing the ball.

[The KnicksFix]

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I was listening in live to this
CP is really well connected to CAA so he knows something we don’t know
Thibs time is up, now I’m conflicted
Rooting for a loss is the best long term outcome for this team…

[Chanel Bomber]

Hali will be remembered as one of the greatest players of his generation.

He's Jason Kidd without the elite defense but with more offensive pop.

He forces you to defend 5v5 as well as 1v1. That's where Brunson struggles because his lack of length and his lack of awareness turn him into a non-entity when guarding in space. He's a non-factor in rotations, closeouts, help, whereas he can hold his own in isolation, which explains why he didn't struggle as much vs Boston.

There's a bit of Kidd vs Iverson in this matchup.

[The KnicksFix]

I find myself actively rooting for a loss for the first time in my life other than the tanking years on Thursday
We need to fire Thibs, no matter which way you want to slice it

[The KnicksFix]

I’ve never actually hated someone more than Thibs
From going back to the original starting 5, STILL playing hart + Mikal while deuce + shamet + delon just rot on the bench
I HATE YOU THIBS
You wasted so much of a year, a season, a chance

You refused to try anything new throughout the year, you refuse to develop players. You have no offensive scheme, if the first option isn’t there, you have no second or third option. So you ISO Brunson every game, game after game. You won’t even let the absolute engine of a player in KAT have a go. You have no clue of defensive schemes in this modern NBA.

Thibs you are the human remnant of a POS, I hope the day we lose, you are fired. You are a waste. A waste of a coach, a bum, unmarried, stupid and senile. Please leave the only team I love more than anything, you are a POS.

[ctorres]

I’ve never actually hated someone more than Thibs
From going back to the original starting 5, STILL playing hart + Mikal while deuce + shamet + delon just rot on the bench
I HATE YOU THIBS
You wasted so much of a year, a season, a chance

You refused to try anything new throughout the year, you refuse to develop players. You have no offensive scheme, if the first option isn’t there, you have no second or third option. So you ISO Brunson every game, game after game. You won’t even let the absolute engine of a player in KAT have a go. You have no clue of defensive schemes in this modern NBA.

Thibs you are the human remnant of a POS, I hope the day we lose, you are fired. You are a waste. A waste of a coach, a bum, unmarried, stupid and senile. Please leave the only team I love more than anything, you are a POS.

Bro, I hope I never get on your bad side, 'cause damn

[oldshoolballer]

lol didn’t know he did this ..

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What an a$$hole .

[MrDollarBills]

alright guys, I uploaded Obi Toppin's game winner to youtube just so we could talk about it on here

Watch on YouTube

If this shot hadn't happened, we'd still be in this game.

What happened here? Who was at fault. Someone please explain where the defense broke down and if this was the players' fault, Thibs' fault, or everyone's fault.

I apologize for the quality. I uploaded it as quick as possible.

To me, it looks like Mikal got lost and distracted. It seemed like it was his job to keep up with Toppin.

KAT was guarding the inbounder.

Seems like miscommunication between Brunson and Bridges. Bridges thinks they're switching but Brunson chases his man. Bridges is only seeing the ball.

stuff like this has been going on all season.

[MrDollarBills]

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Inexcusable.

[MrDollarBills]

the they are better and what can you do crowd. Sure I mean I guess we can go the route...but these playoffs are on the margins. We blew game 1 with awful coaching and players mentally and physically making mistakes down the stretch. All these games have been "winnable" never a game where we are getting completely outplayed.

There is zero creativity. The one time we sort of get creative with the rotations and minutes is because of foul trouble in game 3.

Haliburton was feeling it...not adjustment. No scheme change. Maybe try picking up full court with Wright or McBride then having Mikal and OG in help shooting the gaps...maybe try some different things to get his frustrated. Nope same defensive coverage pretty much all series...allowing them to search out our weakest defenders and pick us apart.

He just doesn't have the capabilities to take us to the next level because he simply knows one thing...play his most trust worthy guys no matter what the situation and matchup is.

I don't think we have ever run a 5-out lineup by putting Deuce with the starters. We should absolutely be trying to match Brunson minutes with McConnel so that we can put Brunson on McConnel and hedge and recover to him because he isn't a shooter. Instead the first 9 minutes or so of every qtr is the same damn ****.

Carlise has dog walked Tom the entire series.

[god shammgod]

you guys are lying to yourself that the difference is playing this guy or that guy a few more minutes

we have nobody who can successfully guard pascal and nobody who can successfully guard hali. og and mikal were built for tatum and brown, not for these guys.

they're also faster and more athletic and turn us over and get out on the break and we can't keep up

and they have done a brilliant job of getting kat and jalen in mismatches and exploiting them

still, we're not a mile away. it's close. but we don't have the answers right now.

[snadler]

It’s easy to blame the coach when the team loses, and I’m not saying Thibs did even a ok job putting his players in the best position to win, but when all is said and done, it’s always up to the players to perform. Should have Hart played less minutes yes, BUT hart is a huge reason they came back and won game 3, so naturally a coach is hoping/expecting that could happen again, however Hart the player was terrible. Then there’s Bridges, he was absolutely horrible, in the 4th quarter he was getting WIDE OPEN LOOKS, it wasn’t Thibs bricking them, again could Bridges have been off the floor, sure, but once again Bridges was a huge reason the knicks got to the ECF. I get in a must win game, fans want immediate change if things are not working, and rightfully so with the season on the line, but coaches especially Thibs is going to a fault give his guys that have gotten them to this point and won many games for him already coming back from large deficits the benefit of the doubt and hopes they can/will do it again. Last night, it just didn’t happen, so thibs gets all the blame

[matchman]

I won't root for a loss by any means, if this team fails to beat the Pacers, I wouldn't feel any happiness at all.

But with that said if the ECF achievement is not enough to retain Thibs, then I have much more respect to the management. Brunson's (and KAT's if he stays) prime and championship window cannot go wasted for the father-son relationship. I would respect Thibs as a father figure and bring Knicks to ECF, something we missed for a quarter of century. But it's clear as day that that's the farthest he can achieve with this squad without much injury issue as excuse.

[Iron Mantis]

lol didn’t know he did this ..

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What an a$$hole .

Good. Glad he did it.

If the Knicks don't like it, then do something about it on the court.... Lock them up defensively and execute on offense... Stop turning the ball over like idiots and play like you want to win.

[Chanel Bomber]

you guys are lying to yourself that the difference is playing this guy or that guy a few more minutes

we have nobody who can successfully guard pascal and nobody who can successfully guard hali. og and mikal were built for tatum and brown, not for these guys.

they're also faster and more athletic and turn us over and get out on the break and we can't keep up

and they have done a brilliant job of getting kat and jalen in mismatches and exploiting them

still, we're not a mile away. it's close. but we don't have the answers right now.

Yeah, I don't see this as primarily a coaching problem. There's no perfect lineup that we can roll out against them. I think it's fair to suggest that KAT should take more shots - especially as Mikal struggles - but it seems to be a team issue as much as a coaching issue.

Brunson doesn't have the size to defend in this series. They don't even have to hunt him, their ball movement alone exposes him.

We're just bleeding points with Brunson on the court, even with Towns off.

The two most-used Brunson lineups without Towns in this series have a 133.3 and 132.1 defensive rating.

Again, the Pacers are essentially playing 5v4 on offense with Brunson on the court. It's just not manageable. And while this won't happen, maybe there should be a realization that this isn't a Brunson series.

As you said, we were built to beat Boston, and we succeeded. We don't match up well with Indiana however.