Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

EchelonNYK · Post #4501 » by **EchelonNYK** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:54 pm

Workforce250 wrote:There are a few fans here who like Kaminsky, I'm one of them.
While he may not be in conversation for top 1-4 pick, why he's not in the group of 5-10, is confusing me.

ozwizard8 · Post #4502 » by **ozwizard8** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:12 pm

Retired_Doc wrote:I think we gotta look at just who this WCS really is. He just won the SEC tourney MVP award....over KAT of course. Beyond that, he's a game-changer because of his ability to play fantastic D, block shots, rebound, not foul much, steal the ball and score just enough. I think he's damn good.

If we had him on the Knicks next year along with a healthy Melo and at least one decent FA, we'd be a contender.

if we use him like woodson used t.chandler it'll work.
but in triangle? no..

he would look like j.mcgee. scouts says he isnt consistent on D.
on offense his playing style is awkward. he doesnt respond opponent D. he's forcing and he looks like j.mcgee.
passing is bad. he doesnt have mid-range shot, he cant shoot FT.

i think he can end up like j.mcgee or t.chandler. But triangle? he would look like mcgee.
if we play melo on 4 and use Stein like t.chandler than he would look good, we could get 2nd 3rd seed in East.

But we'll play with triangle so towns/okafor are better choice than WCS. i think russell, mudiay is better talent/prospect than WCS too.
you say wcs is game-changer but he cant shoot FT. he's not good as d.jordan and we all know what happens d.jordan in clutch minutes, playoff games. (he cant change games!)

i hope we can end up with KAT. his defense looks decent for center and he has offensive repertoire to play in triangle.

asuran · Post #4503 » by **asuran** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:34 pm

E-Balla wrote:If he wasn't fired by the end of the night or on the spot I'd completely stop watching the Knicks until he was fired.

Not sure if he'll get fired at all. 12m per with 4 more years. That's a lot to pay if he gets canned!!
You might not be watching the Knicks until 2020!!

:lol:

Marty McFly · Post #4504 » by **Marty McFly** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:37 pm

at 1? i would lose my proverbial ****. at 5, i wouldn't mind.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #4505 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:37 pm

All things being fair, which they aren't:

1. NYK: Jahlil Okafor
He might have a Shaq-lite like impact in today's nba. Shaq also was a horrible pick and roll defender and terrible freethrow shooter. He's gonna score from day one in the league. He's gonna improve his defense to at least serviceable if the rumors of his work ethic and character hold water. He'd beast in the triangle. After our disaster season, let's not get too cute. He and Melo will create a potent inside-out combo.

2. Phi: D'Angelo Russell
After trading away non shooter MCW, I would say their alleged "rabid" interest in Mudiay may be a smokescreen as he also looks to struggle out the gate with his shooting. Is he (Mudiay) gonna be that much of an improvement over Tony Wroten? I think Russell is the guy as what he brings to the team contrasts what they had in MCW.

3. Minnie: KAT
With Dieng in place at the center spot of the future, Wiggins/Bazz on the wing, Rubio at point with Lavine pushing for minutes there as well the logical grab here would be KAT. He, Dieng and Bennett form a nice rotation of bigs that compliment each other and the team's uptempo style. I could see them moving Pekovic also to give the aforementioned troika development time.

4. LAL: Emanuel Mudiay
The Western Conference is loaded with point guards. And it's basically become a point guard league. After inserting the likes of Jeremy Lin, Jordan Clarkson and AJ Price at the starting point guard spot for the 2014-2015 season, Mudiay makes a heap of sense for the Lakers. Building around he and Randle in a post Kobe Laker world promises to be exciting if nothing at all.

knicks94 · Post #4506 » by **knicks94** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:56 pm

It wouldn't matter since all of us are praying that Jackson gives up his number 1 pick for DeMarcus Cousins.

TrueWarrior · Post #4507 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:12 am

Manhattan with the play in game as a 16th seed and if they win have the honor of being Kentucky's warmup. Ha damn. Really though this Manhattan team is largely the same one who took Louisville down to the wire last NCAAs. I think they went into OT actually. Their coach is a real character too and they should be better than a typical 16th seed.

KingzAndQueenz · Post #4508 » by **KingzAndQueenz** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:16 am

As much as I like Towns (i like him a lot and would love if we got him), I think you gotta go with Okafor. His offensive game is tremendous and he's hella quick in the post. You can cover him up with a defensive anchor and I wouldn't be surprised if his defensive game doesn't approve while he's in the NBA. Dude has incredible legwork.

FemaleDogPlease · Post #4509 » by **FemaleDogPlease** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:16 am

The Knicks can easily draft WCS with 2nd pick. Phil Jackson is trying to build a team that fits. WCS can guard Centers and PFs. So now worse case you can play Bargnani and WCS up front next year and spend on the backcourt. WCS could also play with Greg Monroe, Enes Kanter, Al Jefferson , or Kevin Love up front.

Knicks have a lot of holes to fill and not a lot of money to do it. The guards this summer are more attainable than the bigs.

RHODEY · Post #4510 » by **RHODEY** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:23 am

DickGrayson wrote:
Jay10 wrote:It would be him getting rid of Tyson to then bring in the same player months later.

lol, I see so much Tyson Chandler in Cauley Stein. I think Cauley Stein will be better than Chandler however. Better rim protector, help defender and will do more offensively. Chandler came so raw to the NBA people forget how bad he was earlier in his career, he had to learn on the fly and it took him some time. WCS looks ready to go.

I'm no WCS, expert but that was an interesting Box for Kentucky the other night

Stein was the big scorer not Towns . In fact, Towns took one shot but went 8 for 8 from the line. Both had 3 blocks.
If we get #1 the phil has a tough call, there might be 4 guys worthy of that pick. In fact, Stein might make it 5.

Why? Well because of the 5, WCS may be the least "risky". Basically you are going to get the things you want most out of the center position. His downside might the lowest out of the five. Tyson Chandler Part 2 only more physically mature ? Or how about a more mobile/athletic Dikembe Mutumbo? Who's to say WCS' defensive upside wont be as high as OK4' offensive upside?

Besart19 · Post #4511 » by **Besart19** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:23 am

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/03/15 ... mortality/

Besart19 · Post #4512 » by **Besart19** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:28 am

Okafor, Towns, Mudiay or Russel!!

Just take the best player and the best talent!!

Melo, Top Pick and 60M to spend in the next two summers!!

FemaleDogPlease · Post #4513 » by **FemaleDogPlease** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:31 am

RHODEY wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
Jay10 wrote:It would be him getting rid of Tyson to then bring in the same player months later.

lol, I see so much Tyson Chandler in Cauley Stein. I think Cauley Stein will be better than Chandler however. Better rim protector, help defender and will do more offensively. Chandler came so raw to the NBA people forget how bad he was earlier in his career, he had to learn on the fly and it took him some time. WCS looks ready to go.

I'm no WCS, expert but that was an interesting Box for Kentucky the other night

Stein was the big scorer not Towns . In fact, Towns took one shot but went 8 for 8 from the line. Both had 3 blocks.
If we get #1 the phil has a tough call, there might be 4 guys worthy of that pick. In fact, Stein might make it 5.

Why? Well because of the 5, WCS may be the least "risky". Basically you are going to get the things you want most out of the center position. His downside might the lowest out of the five. Tyson Chandler Part 2 only more physically mature ? Or how about a more mobile/athletic Dikembe Mutumbo? Who's to say WCS' defensive upside wont be as high as OK4' offensive upside?

Totally agree. I think Phil has a good grasp of what free agents will actually be available this summer. So that may factor into the pick .

WCS at worse is a Tyson Chandler clone.

Besart19 · Post #4514 » by **Besart19** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:34 am

Mudiay will regret his decision not to be coached by Larry Brown and compete with his peers this season!

We'd had the chance to evaluate 4 real talents... Larry's offense is predicated a lot in cuts, drives and post ups, schemes that are a lot used and the base of the triangle, too!

el13adnino · Post #4515 » by **el13adnino** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:53 am

Besart19 wrote:Mudiay will regret his decision not to be coached by Larry Brown and compete with his peers this season!

We'd had the chance to evaluate 4 real talents... Larry's offense is predicated a lot in cuts, drives and post ups, schemes that are a lot used and the base of the triangle, too!

larry brown also said that once his team is eliminated from the tournament he'll be training E.Mudiay up until draft night.

Besart19 · Post #4516 » by **Besart19** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:06 am

el13adnino wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Mudiay will regret his decision not to be coached by Larry Brown and compete with his peers this season!

We'd had the chance to evaluate 4 real talents... Larry's offense is predicated a lot in cuts, drives and post ups, schemes that are a lot used and the base of the triangle, too!

larry brown also said that once his team is eliminated from the tournament he'll be training E.Mudiay up until draft night.

Still not the same thing, though!!

But, at least he would have Fisher, Melo, Calderon and Phil here in New York to develop and mature!!

Guards: Russell/Mudiay
Wings: Johnson/Hezonja
Bigs: Okafor/Towns

This was a great tournament... He was really missed, and he could had benefited a lot by being part of this!!

He shouldn't have missed it out!! And Larry made his best to convince his family not to go to play in China for $$$

el13adnino · Post #4517 » by **el13adnino** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:09 am

Besart19 wrote:
el13adnino wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Mudiay will regret his decision not to be coached by Larry Brown and compete with his peers this season!

We'd had the chance to evaluate 4 real talents... Larry's offense is predicated a lot in cuts, drives and post ups, schemes that are a lot used and the base of the triangle, too!

larry brown also said that once his team is eliminated from the tournament he'll be training E.Mudiay up until draft night.

Still not the same thing, though!!

But, at least he would have Fisher, Melo, Calderon and Phil here in New York to develop and mature!!

Guards: Russell/Mudiay
Wings: Johnson/Hezonja
Bigs: Okafor/Towns

This was a great tournament... He was really missed, and he could had benefited a lot by being part of this!!

He shouldn't have missed it out!! And Larry made his best to convince his family not to go to play in China for $$$

i agree with u, but in the end, its not gonna affect him, he'll still be a top 5 pick

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #4518 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:24 am

KingzAndQueenz wrote:As much as I like Towns (i like him a lot and would love if we got him), I think you gotta go with Okafor. His offensive game is tremendous and he's hella quick in the post. You can cover him up with a defensive anchor and I wouldn't be surprised if his defensive game doesn't approve while he's in the NBA. Dude has incredible legwork.

I think people don't want him because they don't want to have to cover him with a defensive anchor, they want him to be the defensive anchor.

swisscheeseD · Post #4519 » by **swisscheeseD** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:43 am

JBreezeNY wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:There are a few fans here who like Kaminsky, I'm one of them.
While he may not be in conversation for top 1-4 pick, why he's not in the group of 5-10, is confusing me.

There's actually a lot of people who like Kaminsky, me included, he just isn't a top 5 pick kind of player.

I think he's working himself to be a top 10 pick to be honest.

A team like Detroit would be a nice landing spot as insurance to the possibility of losing Monroe. Not to mention, Stan Van really loves his stretch 4's.

Post #4520 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:56 am

Eh, I really don't think he will be better then tyson. No offense, not really a great rebounder, hasn't improved much. His team defense is great on the college level but that doesn't always translate. If we are picking after 7 or so maybe id think about him, but No way I'd even think about taking him in the top 5.