[2011 Draft Thread Pt 3] - NY To TradeUp? (Update Top Pg 22)

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Faried doesn't see the floor with Amare here.

We had Shawne Williams guarding Dwight last year...I think it's safe to say D'Antoni would definitely play both at the same time if he actually liked Faried. Although he'd probably be itching to sub him out to help space the floor. But I could see a STAT/Turiaf type of coexistence.

Don't want Faried though but there is definitely room for a backup power forward in the lineup. Amar'e playing all those minutes is only going to speed up the clock on those knees...dude was "tired" this year. We need someone who does all the things that Amar'e doesn't: Rebound, play adequate man-to-man defense, dirty work. We need that from a starting center and back-up PF/C in order for us to be successful IMO. Right now we have neither.

[vinnie_vegas69]

I voted Selby on the poll, but mainly because I believe that there's no way Klay Thompson will still be on the board when we pick, so I felt that it was a little unrealistic.

Marshon Brooks status as a senior, and him not being a true shooter, and potentially more of a volume scorer on the NBA level worries me.

Say what you want about Selby and whether he is a true point guard or even projects to be one, but he at least has the tools to be a good one, and with his jumpshot and athleticism, IMO he'll be at least a role player off the bench capable of getting buckets like a Leandro Barbosa type.

[moocow007]

I think the basic bottom line as highlighted today is the Knicks are going to be swinging for the fences with the pick. No safe bets. No sure bet role players. That's a good thing I think.

[TrueWarrior]

I voted Selby on the poll, but mainly because I believe that there's no way Klay Thompson will still be on the board when we pick, so I felt that it was a little unrealistic.

Marshon Brooks status as a senior, and him not being a true shooter, and potentially more of a volume scorer on the NBA level worries me.

Say what you want about Selby and whether he is a true point guard or even projects to be one, but he at least has the tools to be a good one, and with his jumpshot and athleticism, IMO he'll be at least a role player off the bench capable of getting buckets like a Leandro Barbosa type.

Im starting to think the same way. Selby is slowly creeping ahead of Brooks on my board. I like Brooks but I just dont like him on this team much. Unless Grover turned him into a knockdown shooter overnight, this dude has had 4 years to improve his shooting, passing (terrible A/TO ratio), strength, and defense and he hasnt really done it. He took a lot of shots and scored points, but I dont see how he fits us.

Selby has more playmaking ability than Brooks, and to me seems like the better shooter/defender. Then theres the higher potential factor and that there may still be some time to develop him into a PG, and Selby could be the better choice for us. If we're going to take a flyer on someone it might as well be the one with more potential.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm warming up to Selby as well...I've done almost a complete 180*. I HATED him as our pick, now, depending on who is available when we pick, I'm thinking he might be worth it...is he my #1? No...but like TW said, he's in my first tier.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Jimmer and Klay are gone, Id take Selby or Faried. Not sure which one yet. Probably Faried to be honest. Selby is super talented and has the skills, body and athleticism to be our answer to the new age of PGs in the league but thats the issue. Will be develop into a PG? We cant have another Douglas, Nate Robinson or Crawful here. And I love Faried. He can be our Taj Gibson/Nick Collison/Udonis Haslem. Every team needs that type of big.

I like Brooks but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit. He doesnt strike me as the type of 2 we need next to Stat and Melo. We need a lights out shooter at that position or a lock down defender. Brooks reminds me of Willie Green. Which isnt terrible but I don't like that type of guard for our stars.

Motiejunas shouldnt even be an option. I cant understand why some of you would want to draft a big who doesnt even play like a big. Taking Motiejunas says you want D'Antoni here long term and agree with his type of basketball. I dont care how talented offensively he might be. We cant draft a big who plays 25 feet from the hoop at both ends. Motiejunas is the pick that would upset me the most. I hate players like him.

Faried doesn't see the floor with Amare here.

Faired could get 20-25 min off the bench easy.

Chandler started next to Amare.

Miami is playing Haslem and Joel Anthony at C w/ Bosh. We start Turiaf at C. All these guys are really not that much bigger then Faired. Even Amare's wingspan/standing reach is not much bigger then Faried.

But yeah, if we're looking for a HR pick, its probably not Faried. I just think he could def help. If not him, we need to get someone to help on the boards.

[eviL]

Gimme some insight here: How do you knock a guy's shot selection when he hit at a 48% clip? Also, his A/T ratio could be due to his lack of support.

Marshon led the team with 25ppg on 48% shooting. The second best scorer on Providence last year averaged 14ppg on 36% shooting. Going down the line its 10ppg on 42% and 8ppg on 35%. Those are atrocious individual percentages outside of Marshon's. His teams poor shooting mitigated his assist numbers even when he did pass, and made it so that he pulled the trigger fairly often, because the guys around him were apparently wasting possessions. It's fairly plain to see why his A/T was low.

I'd say his main knock should be that he doesn't get to the line enough. Continued talk that he takes bad shots and worries about his A/T should be close to being dismissed by now.

[Day_Man]

just looking at mock drafts and saw this Selby comparison

"Darren Collison with Nick Young's conscience"

[NBA Fan 1234]

just looking at mock drafts and saw this Selby comparison

"Darren Collison with Nick Young's conscience"

That's one of the worst, if not THE worst, comparison I have ever heard for him...I'm sorry, but that's atrocious.

[2010]

Seriously, for a guy who supposedly can't shoot, is a volume scorer, has bad shot-selection and is an overall nut, Brooks shot 48% from the field and 55% on 2pters. Gee whiz, just imagine if he COULD shoot and had good shot selection!

[eviL]

Seriously, for a guy who supposedly can't shoot, is a volume scorer, has bad shot-selection and is an overall nut, Brooks shot 48% from the field and 55% on 2pters. Gee whiz, just imagine if he COULD shoot and had good shot selection!

How are Marshon's detractors still using those numbers against him?

[Day_Man]

just looking at mock drafts and saw this Selby comparison

"Darren Collison with Nick Young's conscience"

That's one of the worst, if not THE worst, comparison I have ever heard for him...I'm sorry, but that's atrocious.

how about this one

"Selby is like a shorter Rik Smits"

[Falstaffxx]

Are a lot of the shots that make up that shooting % the result of him driving to the rim? If so, it's possible it wouldn't translate vs. bigger, better defenders.

[NBA Fan 1234]

just looking at mock drafts and saw this Selby comparison

"Darren Collison with Nick Young's conscience"

That's one of the worst, if not THE worst, comparison I have ever heard for him...I'm sorry, but that's atrocious.

how about this one

"Selby is like a shorter Rik Smits"

... ...

No way is that one legit lol.

[Day_Man]

^^ nah I made it up.

[Knckles]

We should get Andrew Goudelock if we don't get Jimmer with a late 1st/2nd round pick. He can shoot just as well as Jimmer and can be our 3point specialist off the bench.

[can o peas]

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He says he modeled his game after Sabonis and Scola, which is a good sign- loved the way Sabonis played the game. We'll see how he measures out this weekend- he needs to add bulk to play center though.

[2010]

I'm hoping to come out of this with us netting a late first rounder (in addition to keeping our 17th pick).

Selby/Shumpert
Selby/Montiejunas
Brooks/Montiejunas

Any of those combos would have me feeling great about our draft. We need to swing for the fences here. NO FARIED!!! Also, no trading up for Fredette, it's just not realistic. No GM is looking to help us out without raping us. We don't have the assets to waste and he has too many questionmarks about how his game translates to the pro level.

[2010]

In terms of tools, talent and overall upside...how do those of you who are in the know rate Montiejunas in comparison to Gallinari?

Not saying their game is the same at all, I'm just wondering why Montiejunas is projected to be picked so late in a weak draft class when Gallinari was picked so high in such a strong draft class. Montie is taller than Gallo, can shoot it just as well, seems to be a better passer and actually looks more athletic. He also has a more refined post game and is a lefty. What gives?

[SonOfMars]

I cant comment on Motie really, because I havent seen him play all that much, but 2 years ago, when he was 18, he was projected as a high lottery pick, then he took his name out

Same thing last year, except he was projected a late-lottery pick

Now, hes kinda in the post-lottery range, so just based on that his stock continues to drop, why? I dont know..but it makes me curious, has to be a reason

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Speaking of 'risky' picks, would anyone be mad at an Selby/Tyler draft pairing? Theyre both 19, if not 20, were considered top recruits in theyre HS class, Selby struggled at Kansas with an injury, Tyler struggled overseas with maturity, but they both have a lot of potential if they could just get it together....i guess were past the "developing players" stage, but I wouldnt be opposed of having these two young guys on our squad..