1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[Thugger HBC]

I'm sorry how many championships did Oakley win? I do love how this whole losing streak is apparently all on amare. Shump goes ball hog, that's amare's fault. guards get lit up from three point range constantly, that's amares fault. Knicks place all their hopes for haviing a decent point guard on someone that won't even be available for a month, totally Amare's fault. Knicks stand around in the fourth and wait for anthony to create **** on his own? Also amare's fault. Maybe Amare should be blamed for the isaiah years as well.

Didn't Walsh thank Isiah for signing Amar'e?

[SRTtoZ]

D'antoni might be a good coach somewhere, but not here...He just isnt made for this team. Get him out of here and lets get going. We rely on the 3 in the big spots which ruin ANY momentum we get...We need to be a paint driven team and find the open man if we can with a heavy emphasis on defense. Instead we are a team who looks for the 3 ball first and then figure it out from there, with defense occasionally when we feel like it.

Sounds like you want us to get rid of Amare, not just Mike

Honestly I'm not on either side of the fence with the Amar'e issue but if we got rid of him and brought back some good pieces I wouldnt be upset.

[Brooklyn53]

TD needs to play the way he played today more often

Shumpert needs to drive to the fking paint. even if you get open on a pick, fking go to the basket. he CAN draw the foul

Amar'e with that drive and slam on davis looked like the old amare. Needs to be explosive like that more often without losing the ball

Melo : 9-28

Fields:

Tyson did everything he could on howard. nothing but positive for chandler day in and day out

MDA: what? coaching? nah just dump it to melo, he'll know what to do.

/thread

[E86]

D'antoni might be a good coach somewhere, but not here...He just isnt made for this team. Get him out of here and lets get going. We rely on the 3 in the big spots which ruin ANY momentum we get...We need to be a paint driven team and find the open man if we can with a heavy emphasis on defense. Instead we are a team who looks for the 3 ball first and then figure it out from there, with defense occasionally when we feel like it.

Sounds like you want us to get rid of Amare, not just Mike

Honestly I'm not on either side of the fence with the Amar'e issue but if we got rid of him and brought back some good pieces I wouldnt be upset.

I would. It's not Stat's fault the offense sucks.

[TrueWarrior]

BTW anybody who got on Gallo because he flopped should be begging Shumpert to take a lesson from him. A good flop is an elite skill. Gallo went 12-12 from the line yesterday while Shumpert has taken about 12 FTs all season. You can tell Shumpert doesnt really know what hes doing yet when he drives the lane. Its usually an insanely ugly attempt. Like Im not sure if hes trying to draw a foul or thats a real try at finishing.

In this league these days you have to suck up your pride and learn to flop. He'll learn.

[tranjSAIC]

I know it's sorta a side issue but I hate how the refs officiate Howard. It's just like how it was with Shaq. How are you supposed to guard dude if you get called for a foul for breathing on him? That being said Chandler did about as good a job as possible. Kudos to him.

Wow are you kidding me, Howard and Shaq are just so physical you HAVE to foul them to stop them from getting a dunk, plus they take a ton of abuse each game that isn't called.

[kane2021]

I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try a different offense. Thats just the way I see it.

[kane2021]

And one other thing. Iman. Where is this explosive slasher finisher? I dont think he has even had a hard drive and dunk this season. Shooting is a weakness. Finishing at the rim is a strength. So why are his weaknesses being put on display? Does he have a issue getting himself to the basket?

[br7knicks]

Lol @ D'Antoni blaming the rookies.

lol that's what i got out of it too

[Knckles]

And one other thing. Iman. Where is this explosive slasher finisher? I dont think he has even had a hard drive and dunk this season. Shooting is a weakness. Finishing at the rim is a strength. So why are his weaknesses being put on display? Does he have a issue getting himself to the basket?

Mike Dantoni wants his guys to shoot 3s all day long.

[TrueWarrior]

I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try a different offense. Thats just the way I see it.

Yea I just get the sense that Amare isnt fully into this team anymore. Hes worrying about the next outfit hes going to wear or the next talk show to go on in my eyes. You can just see that hes half assing it. I dont see the same swagger in him that I saw last year, but then again hes #2 on the totem pole now. We can blame it on his poor play if we want, but its a "what came first the chicken of the egg" thing to me. Is he playing poorly b/c his head isnt in the game or is his head not in the game b/c hes playing poorly?

Either way I want to see more intensity out of the 100 million dollar man. PG or not.

[E86]

I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try to shoot more three's. Thats just the way I see it.

Fixed. - Mike D'Antoni

[DuckTales]

Trading Amare has nothing to do with his offense and everything to do with his lack of anything else besides offense.

[br7knicks]

Lol @ D'Antoni blaming the rookies.

I was stunned to read that. In fact I think the rookies play better defense then the vets. Sure they f'k up, but the vets don't ? Damn this fool.

sans chandler and JJ, jorts and shump are our best defenders.

that's sad...

[br7knicks]

Lol @ D'Antoni blaming the rookies.

I was stunned to read that. In fact I think the rookies play better defense then the vets. Sure they f'k up, but the vets don't ? Damn this fool.

He's going to be blaming the ball boy's next. D'antoni never runs out of people to throw under the bus.

i blame the RealGM ballboys when i'm frustrated. maybe i'm turning into pringles.

[br7knicks]

I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try a different offense. Thats just the way I see it.

i've been saying this since the loss to the bobcats. you can see it in amare and his body language. it's ugly

[E86]

Trading Amare has nothing to do with his offense and everything to do with his lack of anything else besides offense.

I would hate for Stat to get traded to a team with a coach only to come back and dunk on this entire roster in front of the same fair weather crowd chanting "MVP!" last season.

Good grief.

[E86]

Its like Clyde Style says. We got hot or not basketball for you hot or not expert NBA analysts.

[kane2021]

I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try a different offense. Thats just the way I see it.

Yea I just get the sense that Amare isnt fully into this team anymore. Hes worrying about the next outfit hes going to wear or the next talk show to go on in my eyes. You can just see that hes half assing it. I dont see the same swagger in him that I saw last year, but then again hes #2 on the totem pole now. We can blame it on his poor play if we want, but its a "what came first the chicken of the egg" thing to me. Is he playing poorly b/c his head isnt in the game or is his head not in the game b/c hes playing poorly?

Either way I want to see more intensity out of the 100 million dollar man. PG or not.

I have never gotten on him. I think he milked his back injury. I dont think he was ready to start the season. While many other guys were playing in games, he was talking about short films.

He was very winded the first week. More than I would expect. If you are winded your legs are not under you. No legs, no jumper.

I think that got to him mentally.

But there is something else going on here. He is no where near as vocal as he was last year. His focus and intensity seem to come and go. And I swear he went out of his way to get a 4th foul to be benched in 2 of our last 3 games.

This is why I worry about change coming sooner rather than later. If this cat is dogging it, and the coach dont (and wont) call him on it, a player will. And all of the frustrations of losing could spill over.

Im really worried about a locker room problem brewing. We have been here before to.

Now the question is, whats bugging him? Is he insulted that his status as the number 1 man is gone? Does he not like the direction the team is going under this coach?

I dont brother. I dont like it.

[johnnywishbone]

The Knicks (6-7) are not thinking "wait till next year," coach Mike D'Antoni said Monday. Though he acknowledged that "we lost a couple of games at home we shouldn't have," he reminded that the team still is waiting for free-agent guard Baron Davis, rehabilitating a herniated disc, to play his first game for the team.

"Right now," D'Antoni said, "we're going to try to win games, win as many as we can, then set it up for the team that we'll have and see if that's good enough. I think it is.''

"We do have two rookies that have never been through a rookie camp or a camp," D'Antoni said, "and we get lost sometimes with switches, defensively or offensively. It's a struggle, remembering plays and different things. So those are normal adjustment periods we'll have."

D'Antoni said he could not say exactly when Davis will return to full practice. "Best-case scenario, for me? Yesterday," he said. "For him, I don't know. But I do think, come Thursday or Friday, we say, 'OK, we take another step' " in throwing Davis into more normal practice situations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.3456875

“We missed a lot of coverages,” Coach Mike D’Antoni said, adding, “We have rookies out there that forget what we’re doing — not forget, but just not in tune — and those are just steps we got to take. Overall we played hard, we played pretty well.”

Anthony said his ankle was not an issue, but he conceded that his left wrist — which was also injured last Thursday in Memphis — posed some problems.

“Even though I had two hands on the ball, I was really shooting with one,” he said. “I couldn’t really control the ball. So a lot of my shots was long, flat. But that’s neither here nor there. I’ll get better at that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/sport ... Magic.html

I find the bolded part interesting. Really, I dont understand what he is saying at all. Just a bunch of words.

But we'll see if that is good enough? Strange choice of words. What if its not?

I think he means Baron Davis + Kenyon Martin. We've got that exception still to use and I bet we are saving it for either Martin or JR Smith. Obviously, we are heavily counting on Davis and if we gave Jefferies minutes to Martin I also think that would be a big lift of the bench. Or if you get JR Smith we'd have a guy who is a true shooter that would help spread the floor.