Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[iHeartKNicks]

I guess you conveniently forgot to omit the fact that Tony Allen is 49% from the field and didn't account for that dip in Shumpert's projected numbers.. and the 18% 3FG% is pretty misleading since Tony Allen takes 0.5 3FGA career... Allen Crabbe from Portland is shooting 64% from 3pt (same # of attempts as Tony Allen) - it's called a small sample size... Crabbe won't exactly be invited to any All Star 3 pt contests in this lifetime... no one is looking for Tony Allen to shoot 3's, but in Shumpert we're proclaiming him to be that "3/D" guy... worst flawed math ever.

Trust me I would love for you to be right, I just don't see it happening anytime soon in any system. He is not averaging 15-16ppg in any system, maybe one or two max which I can't think of, but then we are talking about one or two out of 30 teams.

And this is why it makes 0 sense to discuss hypotheticals of this fashion…

If Tony was a 36% 3 point shooter like Shump is in this horrible season its safe to say he'd take more 3's no?
And again me- the poster you've been going back & fourth with for the past 2 days hasn't proclaimed Shump to be anything but a guy who's capable of contributing to winning basketball. Not a 3/D guy, not MCW jr nothing.
You may think the math is flawed but lets pay attention to the philosophy for a second: If Tony Allen was a better 3 point shooter, he'd take more 3's. More 3's made = more points scored. So if we put Shumps 3's made & attempted AND FT % on Tony Allen he fits my 14-17 point bracket even with the 10% dip in overall FG.

You're main argument is that Shumpert isn't a good offensive player as a whole and will never be. There are players who are successful in the NBA that can't score as effortlessly as you would like. Theres not a problem that Shumpert has that can't be fixed with proper coaching. Shumps jumpshot mechanics are that bad?

[fullermd]

he is a young player.... and I really believe that his inconsistent play is a result of the constant impact of seeing vets with inconsistent/nonchalant or unmotivated approaches to the game. He would blossom on a team with good strong-character vets..... we don't have this on the Knicks roster

[fullermd]

Shumpert is a good young player with a huge upside in athletic ability bb skills, and most of all character.... the problem is that he is surrounded by a bunch of low-character vets that cannot help him take the next logical step in his progression.. I am finally convinced that the problem with the Knicks is that the front office has done a poor job in maintaining high-character vets on the roster..... Melo and Amare are not what we need in the character department.. I've literally gasp for air after seeing some of the bs that Amare has pulled over the past 2-3 seasons.............. Melo, convinced me that he is not the guy, when the team was on a winning streak after stinking up the first part of this season, and he complained about a back-to-back game at the end of an interview.... I am persuaded that our problem is over-paid low-character vets, which is bottom-line due to a poor approach to talent held by the front office.... OUR FRONT OFFICE IS THE PROBLEM

I guess those 0 point games are part of the good or the fumbling out of bound handles he has or lacklustre 3 pont %?

what>>? of course that is not what I am saying...... I am saying that the roster of vets, and the organization as a whole has not equipped this team with vet leadership, that can develop young players..... true leadership with strong character, not the bs we see with Amare and Melo. sorry to say this, but Melo will never win a title if it is his responsibility to lead the team from a character stand-point..... unless he makes some drastic changes.

[fullermd]

seeing how young talent is poorly developed here, I am glad for Stephen Curry that he didn't become a Knick

[HatersGonHate]

I guess you conveniently forgot to omit the fact that Tony Allen is 49% from the field and didn't account for that dip in Shumpert's projected numbers.. and the 18% 3FG% is pretty misleading since Tony Allen takes 0.5 3FGA career... Allen Crabbe from Portland is shooting 64% from 3pt (same # of attempts as Tony Allen) - it's called a small sample size... Crabbe won't exactly be invited to any All Star 3 pt contests in this lifetime... no one is looking for Tony Allen to shoot 3's, but in Shumpert we're proclaiming him to be that "3/D" guy... worst flawed math ever.

Trust me I would love for you to be right, I just don't see it happening anytime soon in any system. He is not averaging 15-16ppg in any system, maybe one or two max which I can't think of, but then we are talking about one or two out of 30 teams.

And this is why it makes 0 sense to discuss hypotheticals of this fashion…

Exactly.. which is way there's not much use of thinking of him in an another system.. we can say that about every player on this roster and every player on any average or below average team.

[Spot31]

Lets get rid of shumpert already!

[iHeartKNicks]

Exactly.. which is way there's not much use of thinking of him in an another system.. we can say that about every player on this roster and every player on any average or below average team.

Bro, you're the one who placed me in the situation now you agree with me that it makes no sense to discuss hypotheticals after I said that 2 pages ago? Were going in circles. I feel that Shump can be a good player. You don't.

[HatersGonHate]

Exactly.. which is way there's not much use of thinking of him in an another system.. we can say that about every player on this roster and every player on any average or below average team.

Bro, you're the one who placed me in the situation now you agree with me that it makes no sense to discuss hypotheticals after I said that 2 pages ago? Were going in circles. I feel that Shump can be a good player. You don't.

I feel if NYK can get value for him in a trade, then take it, due to me thinking he is pretty overrated. I was just outlying all my reasons (e.g. FTA, FG%).
I believe your stance would be to keep him because you see potential in him. I respect your opinion, I just completely disagree, that's all.

[Nazrmohamed]

Heres something to consider. How come Danny Greens 7&3 are important to the Spurs or Jimmy Butlers 8&4 so important to the Bulls but Shumpert who averages 7&5 gets so much grief for a player who takes 6 shots. And I get it, his percentages aren't great but you guys do realize the difference between shooting .350 and .500 on six shots is only one more made shot right? So my point is this is what us fans do. We overrate and then feel betrayed so almost out of spite we hate a guy for not living up to the inflated expectations we gave them.

Now granted this thread is about Shumpert, not everyone else who we probably have made threads about. But I just don't see why Knicks nation is spending so much time bashing a guy whose role is to score on 6 shots when there are about 4 guys who should hold a higher responsibility on our own team.

Should Shumpert be scoring more than Bargnani, a former 20 pt scorer and someone we gave up three draft picks for?
What about Felton who's a scoring pg?
What about Smith who was sixth man last yr?
We know about Melo

So thats four people right there that should have a higher usage rate than him and do in fact. And one can argue that you should expect Tyson himself to score more simply because of pick and roll. So to me threads like these are like the bully walking up to a crowd and finding the smallest dude who wont fight back. At the end of the day whether Shumpert shoots 100% or 20%, it will and should be based on about 6 shots. Its not like he's highjacking our system or lack there of. Its not like anybody outside of Melo and JR know how many touches they'll recieve. Its not like we run a high possession offense. Its basically Iso Melo with a bunch of guys standing still around the three point line. Im not going to resign myself to thinking Shumpert sucks because he doesn't thrive under those circumstances. Especially when Im watching teams where everyones touching the ball, where theres something called transition baskets, where guys on other teams just like Shumpert are doing well simply cutting backdoor getting layups or scoring in transition.

And Im not trying to make excuses for Shumpert so much as to have you ponder instead when Shumpert does well. In which games does Shumpert look good? Yes, in games where we're doing the things I discribed.