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Re: Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV 

Post#461 » by LifeLongKNICK » Mon Aug 3, 2015 1:48 am

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Who cares if Drake is soft...? If he makes good music, it's good regardless of how his image is portrayed.



alot of people do. Thats the simple fact. Hip Hop history is not some pansy sweetness like drake. Dude is talented. But he soft to the first degree. I bet you would not say that about an NBA player..."who cares if he soft". People care. End of story. It will never go away.


Therein lies the problem.

drake is not hip hop.

what don't people understand?

its pop music.

dont call it hiphop or have him win hiphop awards or get hiphop accolades, and im cool with his foofy shizz but,

sissy pop garbage masquerading as hiphop is not cool with me, and never will be.

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Post#462 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 1:51 am

LifeLongKNICK wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:Who cares if Drake is soft...? If he makes good music, it's good regardless of how his image is portrayed.



alot of people do. Thats the simple fact. Hip Hop history is not some pansy sweetness like drake. Dude is talented. But he soft to the first degree. I bet you would not say that about an NBA player..."who cares if he soft". People care. End of story. It will never go away.


Therein lies the problem.

drake is not hip hop.

what don't people understand?

its pop music.

dont call it hiphop or have him win hiphop awards or get hiphop accolades, and im cool with his foofy shizz but,

sissy pop garbage masquerading as hiphop is not cool with me, and never will be.

the end.


That's just an opinion, though. Music changes over time - rock, country, hip-hop, etc. it all changes.

You might not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.
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Post#463 » by koogiking » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:03 am

The issue is not even with him not being tough. It's nothing wrong with not being the hardest or the toughest. Rap is about telling your story and being true to yourself while also being skilled lyrically.

The problem is that he acts like it when he's not. Talks about running the the 6 with your woes, but Quentin wrote that and we all saw you on Degrassi so thats not what you were doing. Talk about running in your label with a baretta and how you go from 0 to 100 real quick, but you couldn't go 0-100 when Diddy popped your shoulder and rocked your jaw.

Theres nothing wrong with making love songs and songs for the girls and other stuff. The fakeness though is what makes it hard for some people to respect him.

But even then despite all that you could say he makes good music and was a good MC. But now even that is fraudulent with the discovery that he uses ghost writers.

He's just feeling himself too much the fame got to his head, he started getting in the weight room and that boosted his ego, he even talks about how he loves the person who he's become etc. etc.
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Re: Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV 

Post#464 » by LifeLongKNICK » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:44 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
LifeLongKNICK wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

alot of people do. Thats the simple fact. Hip Hop history is not some pansy sweetness like drake. Dude is talented. But he soft to the first degree. I bet you would not say that about an NBA player..."who cares if he soft". People care. End of story. It will never go away.


Therein lies the problem.

drake is not hip hop.

what don't people understand?

its pop music.

dont call it hiphop or have him win hiphop awards or get hiphop accolades, and im cool with his foofy shizz but,

sissy pop garbage masquerading as hiphop is not cool with me, and never will be.

the end.


That's just an opinion, though. Music changes over time - rock, country, hip-hop, etc. it all changes.

You might not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.


if this pouty lipped duckface fruit is hip hop.

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Re: Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV 

Post#465 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:44 am

Alright so since Drake doesn't have a new york style of rap and doesn't go slapping grown men for no reason he's soft... Got it.
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Post#466 » by LifeLongKNICK » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:45 am

hip hop is hip hop.

drake is pop music.
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Post#467 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:45 am

Low Key drake could probably beat the hell out of 90 percent of this board. He's not a small dude.
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Post#468 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:52 am

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Post#469 » by E-Balla » Mon Aug 3, 2015 3:08 am

koogiking wrote:The issue is not even with him not being tough. It's nothing wrong with not being the hardest or the toughest. Rap is about telling your story and being true to yourself while also being skilled lyrically.

The problem is that he acts like it when he's not. Talks about running the the 6 with your woes, but Quentin wrote that and we all saw you on Degrassi so thats not what you were doing. Talk about running in your label with a baretta and how you go from 0 to 100 real quick, but you couldn't go 0-100 when Diddy popped your shoulder and rocked your jaw.

Theres nothing wrong with making love songs and songs for the girls and other stuff. The fakeness though is what makes it hard for some people to respect him.

But even then despite all that you could say he makes good music and was a good MC. But now even that is fraudulent with the discovery that he uses ghost writers.

He's just feeling himself too much the fame got to his head, he started getting in the weight room and that boosted his ego, he even talks about how he loves the person who he's become etc. etc.

1. Its a hook. There's not many rappers that write hooks and most that do write terrible hooks that's why guys like 50 were so big for their crews.

2. I don't think he meant he was running through the 6 ten years ago counting money.

3. He's not talking about walking in the label with a gun its a metaphor. The last thing Wayne says before that Baretta line is "Go in the studio with ****' clips, clips, ammo". Basically the whole tape is him letting his ammo go so he's releasing a surprise tape to get closer to ending his deal, filling it with subliminals at Birdman, and walking in the label to get paid for it.

4. 0 to 100 is about his career as in his career went 0 to 100 real quick and how hard he works to stay big. He has lines like "they be on that rap to pay the bill ****/and I don't feel that **** not even a little bit" basically talking about how he decided to immediately pick up endorsements and make himself an icon over the music because there's more money in it. He makes no mention of anything that'll make you think he'd put his hands on people.

5. That said Take Care era Drake that was talking about catching bodies was annoying but he's catching bodies right now so idk what to say about that anymore. I really didn't like that album like that tho.

6. People call him fake but really don't listen to his lyrics. He's a shrewd business man and ruthless hitmaker its what he does and he doesn't hide it. Say what you want but personally I like him for at least giving back to cities he's not even from.

7. You mad he's feeling himself? That's a female feeling right there. He's at the top of the game along with Kendrick (who's feeling himself just as much - look at everything he's done since GKMC) and Kanye (who's feeling himself more than anyone ever). What rapper that's at the top doesn't feel themselves?
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Re: Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV 

Post#470 » by E-Balla » Mon Aug 3, 2015 3:11 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Low Key drake could probably beat the hell out of 90 percent of this board. He's not a small dude.

Been in a fight before? Having arms doesn't mean you have hands or heart.
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Post#471 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Aug 3, 2015 3:38 am

Drake is not running through the six. Thats a fraudulent line. When you say you running through something, that means you everywhere. Its a FACT Drake is not running through the Hoods of Toronto. He is running through certain parts of the six...the nice parts.Drake does not even run T.O. I have fam in Toronto. Drake really has no history in the city at all. He Basically was an Actor, Put out a mixtape and blew up, cause of his fame from the show. He was on no rap scene out there..Like Em was in Detroit.He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, went to a Jewish School. He hardly had any black friends growing up. Its AMERICA that made Drake a Star. Not Canada. Drake is not the Hero to the Six. Most of Drake black friends is people he met AFTER the rap fame.The two white boys in the beginning of started from the bottom, is his childhood friends. He has no official background. He not running through nothing. People in Canada dont look at him as the "six god" ...thats a name he gave himself. There is actually mad dope MC's in Toronto, but you never hear about them. Drake not even Helping his city out with all the talent there. He putting on FLuffy cats like him. Drake is talented, but alot of what he spits and portrays is fake. He tries to play a role thats not true...
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Post#472 » by E-Balla » Mon Aug 3, 2015 4:21 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:Drake is not running through the six. Thats a fraudulent line. When you say you running through something, that means you everywhere. Its a FACT Drake is not running through the Hoods of Toronto. He is running through certain parts of the six...the nice parts.Drake does not even run T.O. I have fam in Toronto. Drake really has no history in the city at all. He Basically was an Actor, Put out a mixtape and blew up, cause of his fame from the show. He was on no rap scene out there..Like Em was in Detroit.He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, went to a Jewish School. He hardly had any black friends growing up. Its AMERICA that made Drake a Star. Not Canada. Drake is not the Hero to the Six. Most of Drake black friends is people he met AFTER the rap fame.The two white boys in the beginning of started from the bottom, is his childhood friends. He has no official background. He not running through nothing. People in Canada dont look at him as the "six god" ...thats a name he gave himself. There is actually mad dope MC's in Toronto, but you never hear about them. Drake not even Helping his city out with all the talent there. He putting on FLuffy cats like him. Drake is talented, but alot of what he spits and portrays is fake. He tries to play a role thats not true...

I wouldn't say Jimmy is a fluffy dude like Drake and PARTY is R&B so he should be held to a different standard (he's one of the hardest R&B artists out there when he decides to rap and has features like Cash Out). I'm still not sure if I would call Drake fake anymore. He kinda makes it a point to keep it real and humble himself on his songs (like you mentioned that he was a lame growing up but I'm sure Drake mentions that more than enough). This whole boss of the 6 thing might only be for all areas but the hood though I wouldn't know so I won't contest that but T.I. was telling King of the South and everyone down here knew that title belonged to Gucci. Its not uncommon for the biggest artist from a city to act like they're the boss (look at the hundreds of kings of NY).
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Post#473 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Aug 3, 2015 5:16 am

E-Balla wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Drake is not running through the six. Thats a fraudulent line. When you say you running through something, that means you everywhere. Its a FACT Drake is not running through the Hoods of Toronto. He is running through certain parts of the six...the nice parts.Drake does not even run T.O. I have fam in Toronto. Drake really has no history in the city at all. He Basically was an Actor, Put out a mixtape and blew up, cause of his fame from the show. He was on no rap scene out there..Like Em was in Detroit.He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, went to a Jewish School. He hardly had any black friends growing up. Its AMERICA that made Drake a Star. Not Canada. Drake is not the Hero to the Six. Most of Drake black friends is people he met AFTER the rap fame.The two white boys in the beginning of started from the bottom, is his childhood friends. He has no official background. He not running through nothing. People in Canada dont look at him as the "six god" ...thats a name he gave himself. There is actually mad dope MC's in Toronto, but you never hear about them. Drake not even Helping his city out with all the talent there. He putting on FLuffy cats like him. Drake is talented, but alot of what he spits and portrays is fake. He tries to play a role thats not true...

I wouldn't say Jimmy is a fluffy dude like Drake and PARTY is R&B so he should be held to a different standard (he's one of the hardest R&B artists out there when he decides to rap and has features like Cash Out). I'm still not sure if I would call Drake fake anymore. He kinda makes it a point to keep it real and humble himself on his songs (like you mentioned that he was a lame growing up but I'm sure Drake mentions that more than enough). This whole boss of the 6 thing might only be for all areas but the hood though I wouldn't know so I won't contest that but T.I. was telling King of the South and everyone down here knew that title belonged to Gucci. Its not uncommon for the biggest artist from a city to act like they're the boss (look at the hundreds of kings of NY).



The difference here,is that T.I had a legitimate claim even thoe Gucci was King. T.I put in work in ATL. ATL is who blew T.I up. Same with Gucci. Even Luda, put in real work in ATL. These are cats who actually grinded in they city, to make a name for themselves. Its a MUCH different connection with they city, than what Drake has in Toronto. He does not have the Bond that most huge artist have, from the city they from, or blew up in.
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Post#474 » by KingofNYC30 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 12:44 pm

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E-Balla wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Drake is not running through the six. Thats a fraudulent line. When you say you running through something, that means you everywhere. Its a FACT Drake is not running through the Hoods of Toronto. He is running through certain parts of the six...the nice parts.Drake does not even run T.O. I have fam in Toronto. Drake really has no history in the city at all. He Basically was an Actor, Put out a mixtape and blew up, cause of his fame from the show. He was on no rap scene out there..Like Em was in Detroit.He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, went to a Jewish School. He hardly had any black friends growing up. Its AMERICA that made Drake a Star. Not Canada. Drake is not the Hero to the Six. Most of Drake black friends is people he met AFTER the rap fame.The two white boys in the beginning of started from the bottom, is his childhood friends. He has no official background. He not running through nothing. People in Canada dont look at him as the "six god" ...thats a name he gave himself. There is actually mad dope MC's in Toronto, but you never hear about them. Drake not even Helping his city out with all the talent there. He putting on FLuffy cats like him. Drake is talented, but alot of what he spits and portrays is fake. He tries to play a role thats not true...

I wouldn't say Jimmy is a fluffy dude like Drake and PARTY is R&B so he should be held to a different standard (he's one of the hardest R&B artists out there when he decides to rap and has features like Cash Out). I'm still not sure if I would call Drake fake anymore. He kinda makes it a point to keep it real and humble himself on his songs (like you mentioned that he was a lame growing up but I'm sure Drake mentions that more than enough). This whole boss of the 6 thing might only be for all areas but the hood though I wouldn't know so I won't contest that but T.I. was telling King of the South and everyone down here knew that title belonged to Gucci. Its not uncommon for the biggest artist from a city to act like they're the boss (look at the hundreds of kings of NY).



The difference here,is that T.I had a legitimate claim even thoe Gucci was King. T.I put in work in ATL. ATL is who blew T.I up. Same with Gucci. Even Luda, put in real work in ATL. These are cats who actually grinded in they city, to make a name for themselves. Its a MUCH different connection with they city, than what Drake has in Toronto. He does not have the Bond that most huge artist have, from the city they from, or blew up in.


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Post#476 » by EricAnderson » Mon Aug 3, 2015 1:31 pm

What a tremendous culture..The fact an artist is looked down upon because he doesn't have some criminal background and come from total poverty..
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Post#478 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 1:49 pm

Mecca wrote:If anyone on this board knows me, I been riding the Cole-Train since '08 and tonight will be my 3rd time seeing him. Once in '09, 2012' and now '15. I'll be rocking some TDE gear if anyone else will be in PNC. Also, guys, if anyone is interested in reading on a paper I wrote on FHD, Ima post it below. Interesting stuff for a core class I did this past semester.


Saw him in Camden this past weekend. It was lit. Cole always puts on a great show. My favorite in the game right now. Enjoy bro.
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Post#479 » by Mecca » Mon Aug 3, 2015 1:53 pm

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Mecca wrote:If anyone on this board knows me, I been riding the Cole-Train since '08 and tonight will be my 3rd time seeing him. Once in '09, 2012' and now '15. I'll be rocking some TDE gear if anyone else will be in PNC. Also, guys, if anyone is interested in reading on a paper I wrote on FHD, Ima post it below. Interesting stuff for a core class I did this past semester.


Saw him in Camden this past weekend. It was lit. Cole always puts on a great show. My favorite in the game right now. Enjoy bro.
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Post#480 » by E-Balla » Mon Aug 3, 2015 2:27 pm

EricAnderson wrote:What a tremendous culture..The fact an artist is looked down upon because he doesn't have some criminal background and come from total poverty..

No it's about portraying something you aren't. People don't call out Lupe, Mos Def, Talib, Ye, or Childish ever. Drake's been in songs talking about having to catch bodies before and during that whole Take Care era he was portraying himself as a don. Everything was cool for Drake until he stepped in that lane. Now he stepped back out of it but people stopped paying attention to him once he did that and they still have the same negative thoughts about him. Nice thinly veiled racism though...

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