Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[god shammgod]

Can make it work without taking Jackson, assuming Detroit takes the 1st round pick here and the Knicks trade for tanking value.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9fchtq3

so they're gonna take on a 2nd unmovable contract for a late 1st and the knicks get no picks ? never happen. this rumor doesn't make sense. unless the knicks are considering taking reggie.

[3toheadmelo]

yo that trey rodriguez guy could possibly be legit..........
he works for hoops inq and they reported that phil might be gone a WEEK before it happened

Read on Twitter

[BeagleBoss]

Rather have Reggie Jackson over Ryan tbh.

[Appleshampoo]

Can make it work without taking Jackson, assuming Detroit takes the 1st round pick here and the Knicks trade for tanking value.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9fchtq3

so they're gonna take on a 2nd unmovable contract for a late 1st and the knicks get no picks ? never happen. this rumor doesn't make sense. unless the knicks are considering taking reggie.

True. If Rockets think they can add Lebron to Melo, CP, and Harden they likely have to move Eric Gordon. So Detroit maybe goes for the offensive firepower and a replacement for KCPope

Knicks get: Stanley Johnson, Reggie Jackson, Boban Marjanovic, Shawn Long, Henry Ellenson

Reggie Jackson - Tim Hardaway Jr - Stanley Johnson - KP - Willy I like the idea of a beast like Boban backing up KP and Willy for size.

Detroit gets: Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson , Zhou Qi, Quarterman

Avery Bradley- Kennard- Gordon - Tobias - Drummond Anderson off the bench, or have Kennard as 6th man, etc.

Houston gets: Carmelo Anthony

Chris Paul - James Harden - Trevor Ariza - Carmelo - Capella

Edit: took out Courtney Lee so Houston saves cap space


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yalfrw6x

[BeagleBoss]

Maybe Detroit gave up on Drummond? Wonder how he'd fit with KP.

[god shammgod]

Maybe Detroit gave up on Drummond? Wonder how he'd fit with KP.

they have called around to see drumond's value. but i doubt they think ryan anderson and a late 1st is a good deal for him.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

Players who get a NTC on their contract do it so they have confidence that they won't get dumped onto a team in the boondocks with no hope for the season because it's a good business deal for the organization said player is on...the " business" side of things. It's actually so the player has the power to stay on his team, and if he does want to demand where he's going, he can demand going to a good team and leave the **** team he's on...that's usually the case when a player demands a trade..it's to a better situation. There are a lot of good teams, better situations, but Melo doesn't want to go...why?

For the player to do what Melo is doing there has to be a good reason to stay on the team, right? This dude is using his NTC to STAY ON THE **** TEAM, not get out. Meanwhile, there are players above and below his tier taking destiny into their own hands and making moves that benefit their careers. Is this guy doing that? This mentality of his is why he has people rubbing their faces.

Saying "we did this we did that it's not Melo's fault" is simplifying it too much, put some context into it. This guy doesn't even know what the right way to use the power he has is...he'd rather stay in a dump then go give a couple years to a solid team and then go wherever he wants....nope, he'd rather play here and go nowhere. That's all you need to know why people think this guy is a dumbass, because most of the people who have a problem with him doing this can't fathom doing it themselves. You would sit here collect and mope, that's you, but don't paint it like it's the right thing to do just because the power to do it was handed to you....it's **** stupid and a career killing move.

Irving didn't even have a NTC...he played with Lebron James, yet he demanded a trade, ended up being on the best regular season, ECF team from last year and is ready to go toe to toe with Lebron in the ECF on his own...Paul George was able to leave a bunch of nobodies and is now going to start along side the defending MVP, even Butler is going to go play with a young and coming team with a couple of former ROY winners and a great coach.....wtf is Melo doing with his NTC? His only solution is to go play with Li'l Chris? Because Houston is such a wonderful city? Come on. And I don't buy the such and such player wants to live and play here or there crap...these guys live in hotels in different cities most of their lives, it's not the big deal fans make it out to be. IF it was we'd have a couple of great all time teams by now.

So read your bolded statement and ask yourself, is what this guy doing in his own best interest? Staying on this team? Really? This is what bums who don't know if they're going to be in the league do, not future hall of famers. I want him to go somewhere and kick ass, I don't just want him off this team because he sucks or anything...it doesn't matter, this team is garbage with or without him...but he can do better, and he won't. This is why this dude has me SMDH.

[Appleshampoo]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

Players who get a NTC on their contract do it so they have confidence that they won't get dumped onto a team in the boondocks with no hope for the season because it's a good business deal for the organization said player is on...the " business" side of things. It's actually so the player has the power to stay on his team, and if he does want to demand where he's going, he can demand going to a good team and leave the **** team he's on...that's usually the case when a player demands a trade..it's to a better situation. There are a lot of good teams, better situations, but Melo doesn't want to go...why?

For the player to do what Melo is doing there has to be a good reason to stay on the team, right? This dude is using his NTC to STAY ON THE **** TEAM, not get out. Meanwhile, there are players above and below his tier taking destiny into their own hands and making moves that benefit their careers. Is this guy doing that? This mentality of his is why he has people rubbing their faces.

Saying "we did this we did that it's not Melo's fault" is simplifying it too much, put some context into it. This guy doesn't even know what the right way to use the power he has is...he'd rather stay in a dump then go give a couple years to a solid team and then go wherever he wants....nope, he'd rather play here and go nowhere. That's all you need to know why people think this guy is a dumbass, because most of the people who have a problem with him doing this can't fathom doing it themselves. You would sit here collect and mope, that's you, but don't paint it like it's the right thing to do just because the power to do it was handed to you....it's **** stupid and a career killing move.

Irving didn't even have a NTC...he played with Lebron James, yet he demanded a trade, ended up being on the best regular season, ECF team from last year and is ready to go toe to toe with Lebron in the ECF on his own...Paul George was able to leave a bunch of nobodies and is now going to start along side the defending MVP, even Butler is going to go play with a young and coming team with a couple of former ROY winners and a great coach.....wtf is Melo doing with his NTC? Poor baby doesn't want to go anywhere because he wants to only play with Li'l Chris.

So read your bolded statement and ask yourself, is what this guy doing in his own best interest? Staying on this team? Really? This is what bums who don't know if they're going to be in the league do, not future hall of famers. I want him to go somewhere and kick ass, I don't just want him off this team because he sucks or anything...it doesn't matter, this team is garbage with or without him...but he can do better, and he won't. This is why this dude has me SMDH.

Exactly. It is possible to think melo is being a dope even though he does not owe us anything. Really not that complicated.

[god shammgod]

i think if you're being honest, in the current nba, there aren't too many places where he could go and compete. if he went to portland let's say, could he even get out of the 1st round ? gs, hou, okc, s.a. so probably not. outside of houston we've heard no interest from the other 3 teams that will make it to round 2.

they say cleveland doesn't actually want to trade for him. makes sense, they're preparing for a post lebron future. boston would have to give up horford. that doesn't make sense for how their team is made up now. so go where and for what ? and why give up on houston this quick if you think the knicks might cave yet. you don't really need to be there until the deadline. maybe at that time he'll change his mind and go elsewhere.

[Dantares]

Ryan Anderson played well for SVG in orlando iirc

[Jalen Bluntson]

Ryan Anderson played well for SVG in orlando iirc

I don't want Reggie Jackson.

[Thugger HBC]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

Players who get a NTC on their contract do it so they have confidence that they won't get dumped onto a team in the boondocks with no hope for the season because it's a good business deal for the organization said player is on...the " business" side of things. It's actually so the player has the power to stay on his team, and if he does want to demand where he's going, he can demand going to a good team and leave the **** team he's on...that's usually the case when a player demands a trade..it's to a better situation. There are a lot of good teams, better situations, but Melo doesn't want to go...why?

For the player to do what Melo is doing there has to be a good reason to stay on the team, right? This dude is using his NTC to STAY ON THE **** TEAM, not get out. Meanwhile, there are players above and below his tier taking destiny into their own hands and making moves that benefit their careers. Is this guy doing that? This mentality of his is why he has people rubbing their faces.

Saying "we did this we did that it's not Melo's fault" is simplifying it too much, put some context into it. This guy doesn't even know what the right way to use the power he has is...he'd rather stay in a dump then go give a couple years to a solid team and then go wherever he wants....nope, he'd rather play here and go nowhere. That's all you need to know why people think this guy is a dumbass, because most of the people who have a problem with him doing this can't fathom doing it themselves. You would sit here collect and mope, that's you, but don't paint it like it's the right thing to do just because the power to do it was handed to you....it's **** stupid and a career killing move.

Irving didn't even have a NTC...he played with Lebron James, yet he demanded a trade, ended up being on the best regular season, ECF team from last year and is ready to go toe to toe with Lebron in the ECF on his own...Paul George was able to leave a bunch of nobodies and is now going to start along side the defending MVP, even Butler is going to go play with a young and coming team with a couple of former ROY winners and a great coach.....wtf is Melo doing with his NTC? His only solution is to go play with Li'l Chris? Because Houston is such a wonderful city? Come on. And I don't buy the such and such player wants to live and play here or there crap...these guys live in hotels in different cities most of their lives, it's not the big deal fans make it out to be. IF it was we'd have a couple of great all time teams by now.

So read your bolded statement and ask yourself, is what this guy doing in his own best interest? Staying on this team? Really? This is what bums who don't know if they're going to be in the league do, not future hall of famers. I want him to go somewhere and kick ass, I don't just want him off this team because he sucks or anything...it doesn't matter, this team is garbage with or without him...but he can do better, and he won't. This is why this dude has me SMDH.

That's the thing. the other guys you mentioned have real value. PG, Butler, and Kyrie are either in their early side of prime or just entering imo Kyrie. These guys wouldn't likely be traded either except they all wanted out and their value allowed their teams to trade them try to not lose out altogether by them walking at the end of the year. teams with real assets acquired these guys, and other than Kyrie those guys guy were acquired even below their market worth.

Melo isn't in their boat, he's out of his prime, his value isn't high at all and since he has a high contract

Spoiler:

Melo's yearly salary even in this CBA is currently #11.

, some team involved in a trade is likely to import some garbage.

Melo's no trade clause doesn't have the value most fans thinks it does. Knicks don't have to deal him, and he can't make them. All he can do is veto trades, but the Knicks seem to be doing that themselves because the returns are worthless.

Bad teams aren't going to trade for Melo, so that cancels nearly half the league by default, and the good teams aren't giving up valued pieces to make a deal work.

[Sark]

i think if you're being honest, in the current nba, there aren't too many places where he could go and compete. if he went to portland let's say, could he even get out of the 1st round ? gs, hou, okc, s.a. so probably not. outside of houston we've heard no interest from the other 3 teams that will make it to round 2.

they say cleveland doesn't actually want to trade for him. makes sense, they're preparing for a post lebron future. boston would have to give up horford. that doesn't make sense for how there team is made up now. so go where and for what ? and why give up on houston this quick if you think the knicks might cave yet. you don't really need to be there until the deadline. maybe at that time he'll change his mind and go elsewhere.

So if he's so limited in his options, what does he do in 2 years when his contract is up? Play for a bottom feeder for the money (Sacramento)? 12th man for a contender for minimum? Big3 with Ice Cube?

[god shammgod]

i think if you're being honest, in the current nba, there aren't too many places where he could go and compete. if he went to portland let's say, could he even get out of the 1st round ? gs, hou, okc, s.a. so probably not. outside of houston we've heard no interest from the other 3 teams that will make it to round 2.

they say cleveland doesn't actually want to trade for him. makes sense, they're preparing for a post lebron future. boston would have to give up horford. that doesn't make sense for how there team is made up now. so go where and for what ? and why give up on houston this quick if you think the knicks might cave yet. you don't really need to be there until the deadline. maybe at that time he'll change his mind and go elsewhere.

So if he's so limited in his options, what does he do in 2 years when his contract is up? Play for a bottom feeder for the money (Sacramento)? 12th man for a contender for minimum? Big3 with Ice Cube?

i think if he doesn't go somewhere this season, he'll opt out and go wherever they're offering the most money. but it's more likely before the deadline that he'll open his non-trade up to a bunch of teams as long as they're giving him a new contract at a good salary. for all we know, the main reason he's dead set on houston is because they're giving him the money he wants. melo seems to place money over other things usually. which many fans deride him for but to me makes him smarter than most. because being known as a winner or not is mostly an illusory concept.

[Billy Goat]

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

Players who get a NTC on their contract do it so they have confidence that they won't get dumped onto a team in the boondocks with no hope for the season because it's a good business deal for the organization said player is on...the " business" side of things. It's actually so the player has the power to stay on his team, and if he does want to demand where he's going, he can demand going to a good team and leave the **** team he's on...that's usually the case when a player demands a trade..it's to a better situation. There are a lot of good teams, better situations, but Melo doesn't want to go...why?

For the player to do what Melo is doing there has to be a good reason to stay on the team, right? This dude is using his NTC to STAY ON THE **** TEAM, not get out. Meanwhile, there are players above and below his tier taking destiny into their own hands and making moves that benefit their careers. Is this guy doing that? This mentality of his is why he has people rubbing their faces.

Saying "we did this we did that it's not Melo's fault" is simplifying it too much, put some context into it. This guy doesn't even know what the right way to use the power he has is...he'd rather stay in a dump then go give a couple years to a solid team and then go wherever he wants....nope, he'd rather play here and go nowhere. That's all you need to know why people think this guy is a dumbass, because most of the people who have a problem with him doing this can't fathom doing it themselves. You would sit here collect and mope, that's you, but don't paint it like it's the right thing to do just because the power to do it was handed to you....it's **** stupid and a career killing move.

Irving didn't even have a NTC...he played with Lebron James, yet he demanded a trade, ended up being on the best regular season, ECF team from last year and is ready to go toe to toe with Lebron in the ECF on his own...Paul George was able to leave a bunch of nobodies and is now going to start along side the defending MVP, even Butler is going to go play with a young and coming team with a couple of former ROY winners and a great coach.....wtf is Melo doing with his NTC? Poor baby doesn't want to go anywhere because he wants to only play with Li'l Chris.

So read your bolded statement and ask yourself, is what this guy doing in his own best interest? Staying on this team? Really? This is what bums who don't know if they're going to be in the league do, not future hall of famers. I want him to go somewhere and kick ass, I don't just want him off this team because he sucks or anything...it doesn't matter, this team is garbage with or without him...but he can do better, and he won't. This is why this dude has me SMDH.

Exactly. It is possible to think melo is being a dope even though he does not owe us anything. Really not that complicated.

Melo is smart enough to realize his pay far exceeds his talent. He's used Dolan for his money, and was pretty damn good at it considering the garbage results. But then again, there's zero pressure to win here either.

[Capn'O]

It def looks like he's staying.

But so are Willy, KP, and Frank so I still get to make Greenie an avatar. Mecca - what's your bet status? Can I make this yet or what?

[god shammgod]

It def looks like he's staying.

But so are Willy, KP, and Frank so I still get to make Greenie an avatar. Mecca - what's your bet status? Can I make this yet or what?

what was the bet ?

[Capn'O]

It def looks like he's staying.

But so are Willy, KP, and Frank so I still get to make Greenie an avatar. Mecca - what's your bet status? Can I make this yet or what?

what was the bet ?

IDK what Mecca's was but mine was that those two + the draft pick that became Frank weren't going anywhere.

[Mecca]

It def looks like he's staying.

But so are Willy, KP, and Frank so I still get to make Greenie an avatar. Mecca - what's your bet status? Can I make this yet or what?

You got it fam. I trust you to handle this mission successfully.

[Nazrmohamed]

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

Players who get a NTC on their contract do it so they have confidence that they won't get dumped onto a team in the boondocks with no hope for the season because it's a good business deal for the organization said player is on...the " business" side of things. It's actually so the player has the power to stay on his team, and if he does want to demand where he's going, he can demand going to a good team and leave the **** team he's on...that's usually the case when a player demands a trade..it's to a better situation. There are a lot of good teams, better situations, but Melo doesn't want to go...why?

For the player to do what Melo is doing there has to be a good reason to stay on the team, right? This dude is using his NTC to STAY ON THE **** TEAM, not get out. Meanwhile, there are players above and below his tier taking destiny into their own hands and making moves that benefit their careers. Is this guy doing that? This mentality of his is why he has people rubbing their faces.

Saying "we did this we did that it's not Melo's fault" is simplifying it too much, put some context into it. This guy doesn't even know what the right way to use the power he has is...he'd rather stay in a dump then go give a couple years to a solid team and then go wherever he wants....nope, he'd rather play here and go nowhere. That's all you need to know why people think this guy is a dumbass, because most of the people who have a problem with him doing this can't fathom doing it themselves. You would sit here collect and mope, that's you, but don't paint it like it's the right thing to do just because the power to do it was handed to you....it's **** stupid and a career killing move.

Irving didn't even have a NTC...he played with Lebron James, yet he demanded a trade, ended up being on the best regular season, ECF team from last year and is ready to go toe to toe with Lebron in the ECF on his own...Paul George was able to leave a bunch of nobodies and is now going to start along side the defending MVP, even Butler is going to go play with a young and coming team with a couple of former ROY winners and a great coach.....wtf is Melo doing with his NTC? Poor baby doesn't want to go anywhere because he wants to only play with Li'l Chris.

So read your bolded statement and ask yourself, is what this guy doing in his own best interest? Staying on this team? Really? This is what bums who don't know if they're going to be in the league do, not future hall of famers. I want him to go somewhere and kick ass, I don't just want him off this team because he sucks or anything...it doesn't matter, this team is garbage with or without him...but he can do better, and he won't. This is why this dude has me SMDH.

Exactly. It is possible to think melo is being a dope even though he does not owe us anything. Really not that complicated.

Yeah it is complicated though. Guys like you gotta understand that Ny is just the **** situation in the town you like. Ill give you some scenarios

1Bad situation, great town
2Bad situation, bad town
3Great situation, great town
4Great situation, bad town

I think I covered every situation. Think of it like a tree diagram from your statistics class. The Knicks are that first scenario. I think fans assume he won't waive his clause because Melo wants this scenario as if he wakes up everyday hoping the Knicks suck. To me thats oversimplifying it. If he could have his way Im sure NY would be the 3rd but we all know it won't and Im sure at this point he realizes that. Its not crazy to think he didn't realize it last season. Maybe he actualy thought like some fans that adding Rose/Lee/Noah wouldve changed things. Obviously it didn't. But now its certain, our goal as a franchise is to be option 1.

But keep in mind, waiving his NTC could easily land him in option 2 as well. Haters never factor that in as well. And hey, if you're gonna give me option 2 then hell yeah Im gonna choose option 1 instead. But again, haters (im generalizing for convenience here) assume Melos issue is mostly option 4. We think that Melo just hates certain towns that he would rather not win. It is possible in some cases but Id rather asume hes holding out for option 3.

Perfection. Great situation, great town. And to me THAT is his right. Not mine, not yours. I really wish hed open up to option 4 but I get he wants 3 more than 1. My order would probably be 3, 1, 4, 2.

And let's face it. Nobody is gonna change thier view on Melo by him joining the blazers even if they go to the playoffs every year until he retires. Perhaps Knick fans will apprecieate that he allowed us to rebuild but in the grand scheme of things we're more happy to get him out of our hair than gaf about his post knick happiness or success. So all im saying is let's stop pretending that we care.

Melo knows this and thats why he probably has the same order I have...
3 Houston
1 NY
4- Wizards
2- Pelicans