ImageImageImageImageImage

OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump

Moderators: Deeeez Knicks, mpharris36, j4remi, NoLayupRule, HerSports85, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23

User avatar
KnicksGadfly
RealGM
Posts: 17,749
And1: 19,311
Joined: Jul 29, 2007
   

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#461 » by KnicksGadfly » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:17 pm

Clyde_Style wrote::crazy:

Read on Twitter


Nah, not crazy.

Part of my job today involves sales, and what some of my competitors do is something similar. If you can find a clueless/uninformed/idiot/lazy consumer, raise their fears and say stuff/overpromise super confidently, a lot of the times, it works. If something goes wrong, you don't apologize, if it makes you look dumb (and destroys your credibility). You make up a reason and act really really confident. I've lost a lot of sales to those guys...it's really annoying. They tend to have a high refund rate, though, so maybe there's hope for us.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#462 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:54 pm

knicksh20b wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote::crazy:

Read on Twitter


Nah, not crazy.

Part of my job today involves sales, and what some of my competitors do is something similar. If you can find a clueless/uninformed/idiot/lazy consumer, raise their fears and say stuff/overpromise super confidently, a lot of the times, it works. If something goes wrong, you don't apologize, if it makes you look dumb (and destroys your credibility). You make up a reason and act really really confident. I've lost a lot of sales to those guys...it's really annoying. They tend to have a high refund rate, though, so maybe there's hope for us.


Well to be fair to the Viet Nam vets he was effing with, you're talking about his cult, not guys who served while he got out of military duty.

As far as the refund rate goes, I agree there will be a time not that far away when many Trump supporters will try to sweep this period of their lives under the rug and hope it goes away. It is going to be harder in 2025 to say you still stand by your support of the greatest traitor in the history of the United States.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#463 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:58 pm

Pointgod wrote:One interesting thing heard on a podcast is that Trump is looking to revoke the security clearances of mostly involved in Russia investigation and witnesses in Muellers investigation. This is in an effort to discredit them in the eyes of the public (read Republicans) and in effect the the hands of Republican members of Congress when the indictments come down. This is all politics and nothing else. Which begs the question for the Trump supporting doubters, if he didn't commit any crimes why the hell is he losing his mind and going through all this trouble? In his own words be cool.


Trump is the one now enacting a witch hunt to punish anyone who criticizes him or dare suggest he is a Russian asset.

One key point about security clearances is they are retained by former appointees because the intelligence community needs their knowledge. It is part of the process to elicit feedback from those people by current appointees.

That's INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY and the destruction of it in departments and agencies throughout the federal government has been one of the worst things to happen under Trump.

The State Dept. was gutted and is a ghost ship now. The EPA was gutted.

Trump is not just being a fascist bully, he is also systematically destroying institutions in the process.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#464 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:49 pm

Giuliani is so completely unhinged

And Pirro as usual is a stooge second only to Hannity

There are actually people out there who believe people like this

Pointgod
RealGM
Posts: 24,193
And1: 24,496
Joined: Jun 28, 2014

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#465 » by Pointgod » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:42 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Pointgod wrote:One interesting thing heard on a podcast is that Trump is looking to revoke the security clearances of mostly involved in Russia investigation and witnesses in Muellers investigation. This is in an effort to discredit them in the eyes of the public (read Republicans) and in effect the the hands of Republican members of Congress when the indictments come down. This is all politics and nothing else. Which begs the question for the Trump supporting doubters, if he didn't commit any crimes why the hell is he losing his mind and going through all this trouble? In his own words be cool.


Trump is the one now enacting a witch hunt to punish anyone who criticizes him or dare suggest he is a Russian asset.

One key point about security clearances is they are retained by former appointees because the intelligence community needs their knowledge. It is part of the process to elicit feedback from those people by current appointees.

That's INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY and the destruction of it in departments and agencies throughout the federal government has been one of the worst things to happen under Trump.

The State Dept. was gutted and is a ghost ship now. The EPA was gutted.

Trump is not just being a fascist bully, he is also systematically destroying institutions in the process.


This is a huge point that mindless cheerleaders and a lot of people in the media haven’t brought up. Revoking Brennan’s security clearance serves no one for the better. Think about it. Other than Peurto Rico(which he failed miserably to address) Trump hasn’t been tested with a major national crisis. Just imagine him having to make decisions on information regarding a major terrorist attack. Sorry to say but you guys are going to be **** for a long time.
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 81,972
And1: 95,876
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: Villanovknicks

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#466 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:04 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I don't think Trump and Giuliani are specifically blindsided by McGahn.

I agree Trump is a pretty stupid individual.

But like all grifters and con men, he's good at having a finger on the pulse of who he is going to con. He also has profited and made a career and a lot of money of by knowing where the seams are in the law and when you can use money and power to intimidate and get away with things/make things happen.

(I know I'm opinionating here - I can back these statements up if need be)

As has been covered in here and in numerous news sites, Trump/Rudy G are banking on the fact that Mueller will present his findings to Congress and they figure after that, it's a "popularity contest" so Trump's efforts are into sowing doubt/discrediting the investigation and figuring that if the Republicans hold a majority, he'll skate. Sure, people will go to jail and he'll take some knocks, but I'm guessing he figures he'll survive it and be able to weather the storm by going on tweet storms along with the Fox News propaganda organ blaring full blast, he'll maintain his base. Since the Republican party has not shown any inclination to stand up to Trump and would rather just hold office and power, Trump figures (possibly correctly) he'll be able to bombast and brass his way out of it, like he has all of his adult life.

Now, I understand the arguments why this may not be so, but there's a certain logic to the Trump/Rudy playbook, but more to the point, I think THEY think this is a good approach.

Unless Trump winds up in jail, this is also possible hedging towards a post presidential career, either where he resigns or makes it until the next election and (if) he isn't re-elected, where he can proceed to profit over people's political divisions by running with something that splits the difference of Breitbart and Alex Jones and Trump can be the face of the "resistance"


Won't work

A house majority will unleash a fury of congressional committees that will make the Benghazi fraud look like a picnic. Those kinds of investigations result in hearings and the kinds of public disclosures the special counsel doesn't engage in. And those committees would obviously coordinate with Mueller so as to only reveal what Mueller has not yet acted upon just as the Senate Intelligence Committee has been doing due to the rare cooperation of GOP Senator Burr who has not played along with the rest of the GOP.

So post November mid-terms, it will get many times more brutal for Trump than it already is and we're only in the early stages of disclosure from Mueller's investigation which will ramp up another notch next month with Manafort's 2nd trial for conspiracy against the U.S.

If somehow Trump were still a free man in 2021 he will likely have been cut off from his credit lines as he will have little further use to Russia and he will be suffering from a combination of loan defaults and seizure of assets by state authorities.

The disgrace he will have undergone means any late career move into TV demagogery will have a limited remaining audience. It may put food on the table, but it will be very fringe if he thinks he can remain at the center of some Trump TV organization as its leading personality due to his obvious cognitive decline.

Trump's future is pretty bleak and there will be no soft landings for him no matter what is being cooked up by the addled minds of whatever he calls his brain trust.

And unless he is ousted via impeachment or resigns or croaks, I do expect indictments. I haven't gone by the MSM playbook so far and I see no reason to now. The larger media companies have repeatedly crapped the bed and they rarely connect the dots particularly well.


Most of my point is what I think they think.

I "think" they are banking on it being political. That's the only thing that makes sense.

The rest of your situation seems incumbent on the Democrats achieving a majority. Maybe. Possibly. This country has been voting strongly republican for a while now. Let's see. I don't have much faith in the people to see this situation for what it is. If it is a "majority" that decides to show the republicans the door, it will be close. We'll see.

I get a lot of your point, 99% of them. I know the mainstream media has been off. However, a lot of norms have been crossed by Trump, the GOP, the DC establishment in general, and frankly, what the people of the USA are willing to put up with.

In fact, I'm not sure how norm, or how good a norm normal is in this country. On the one hand, we have a decent rule of law etc. On the other hand, there's a deep authoritarian stain in the country and a real comfort in using the actual law to abuse the sh*t out of various groups and individuals. So, not feeling the whole "omg, norms are being abused" articles I read.


I'm not skeptical of your analysis. I'm skeptical of where the mentality of a large number of citizens is at.
Image
User avatar
Dave DaButcher
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,698
And1: 4,301
Joined: May 16, 2017
     

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#467 » by Dave DaButcher » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:46 pm

We are living in an Orwellian novel written as farce.

Read on Twitter
?s=21
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#468 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:50 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I don't think Trump and Giuliani are specifically blindsided by McGahn.

I agree Trump is a pretty stupid individual.

But like all grifters and con men, he's good at having a finger on the pulse of who he is going to con. He also has profited and made a career and a lot of money of by knowing where the seams are in the law and when you can use money and power to intimidate and get away with things/make things happen.

(I know I'm opinionating here - I can back these statements up if need be)

As has been covered in here and in numerous news sites, Trump/Rudy G are banking on the fact that Mueller will present his findings to Congress and they figure after that, it's a "popularity contest" so Trump's efforts are into sowing doubt/discrediting the investigation and figuring that if the Republicans hold a majority, he'll skate. Sure, people will go to jail and he'll take some knocks, but I'm guessing he figures he'll survive it and be able to weather the storm by going on tweet storms along with the Fox News propaganda organ blaring full blast, he'll maintain his base. Since the Republican party has not shown any inclination to stand up to Trump and would rather just hold office and power, Trump figures (possibly correctly) he'll be able to bombast and brass his way out of it, like he has all of his adult life.

Now, I understand the arguments why this may not be so, but there's a certain logic to the Trump/Rudy playbook, but more to the point, I think THEY think this is a good approach.

Unless Trump winds up in jail, this is also possible hedging towards a post presidential career, either where he resigns or makes it until the next election and (if) he isn't re-elected, where he can proceed to profit over people's political divisions by running with something that splits the difference of Breitbart and Alex Jones and Trump can be the face of the "resistance"


Won't work

A house majority will unleash a fury of congressional committees that will make the Benghazi fraud look like a picnic. Those kinds of investigations result in hearings and the kinds of public disclosures the special counsel doesn't engage in. And those committees would obviously coordinate with Mueller so as to only reveal what Mueller has not yet acted upon just as the Senate Intelligence Committee has been doing due to the rare cooperation of GOP Senator Burr who has not played along with the rest of the GOP.

So post November mid-terms, it will get many times more brutal for Trump than it already is and we're only in the early stages of disclosure from Mueller's investigation which will ramp up another notch next month with Manafort's 2nd trial for conspiracy against the U.S.

If somehow Trump were still a free man in 2021 he will likely have been cut off from his credit lines as he will have little further use to Russia and he will be suffering from a combination of loan defaults and seizure of assets by state authorities.

The disgrace he will have undergone means any late career move into TV demagogery will have a limited remaining audience. It may put food on the table, but it will be very fringe if he thinks he can remain at the center of some Trump TV organization as its leading personality due to his obvious cognitive decline.

Trump's future is pretty bleak and there will be no soft landings for him no matter what is being cooked up by the addled minds of whatever he calls his brain trust.

And unless he is ousted via impeachment or resigns or croaks, I do expect indictments. I haven't gone by the MSM playbook so far and I see no reason to now. The larger media companies have repeatedly crapped the bed and they rarely connect the dots particularly well.


Most of my point is what I think they think.

I "think" they are banking on it being political. That's the only thing that makes sense.

The rest of your situation seems incumbent on the Democrats achieving a majority. Maybe. Possibly. This country has been voting strongly republican for a while now. Let's see. I don't have much faith in the people to see this situation for what it is. If it is a "majority" that decides to show the republicans the door, it will be close. We'll see.

I get a lot of your point, 99% of them. I know the mainstream media has been off. However, a lot of norms have been crossed by Trump, the GOP, the DC establishment in general, and frankly, what the people of the USA are willing to put up with.

In fact, I'm not sure how norm, or how good a norm normal is in this country. On the one hand, we have a decent rule of law etc. On the other hand, there's a deep authoritarian stain in the country and a real comfort in using the actual law to abuse the sh*t out of various groups and individuals. So, not feeling the whole "omg, norms are being abused" articles I read.


I'm not skeptical of your analysis. I'm skeptical of where the mentality of a large number of citizens is at.


I didn't state that you were positing it from their POV, but I did get that from your post.

And per your last point, yeah, there's been a lot of halfwayism in regards to alarming the public about the destruction of protocols. Most items in the daily hit parade of the latest Trump BS is ticked off in a hurry up and make the sausages with today's news mode and never strung together in a manner that alerts the more casual citizen that this is part of a pattern that does lead to the erosion of your liberties. And that eventually affects everyone.

The people chortling over ICE ripping families apart and arresting immigrants who've done multiple tours of duty serving in the U.S. military are the same people who will cower in fear when they cross a bad cop in a bad mood. They con't care about the breakdown of the principles of governance until it hits them square in the eyes and by that point it is too late already.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#469 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:41 am

Manafort and Cohen: Brothers from another mother?

Cohen, Trump’s Ex-Lawyer, Investigated for Bank Fraud in Excess of $20 Million

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/nyregion/michael-cohen-loans-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

QUOTE:

Spoiler:
At this late stage of the inquiry, it is still possible that Mr. Cohen may plead guilty rather than face an indictment. He has hinted publicly and has stated explicitly in private that he is eager to tell prosecutors what he knows in exchange for leniency.

A cooperation agreement would likely include a provision that Mr. Cohen also provide information to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is investigating possible involvement by the Trump campaign in Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election.

It is unclear whether the prosecutors and Mr. Cohen’s lawyers have had detailed discussions about a potential cooperation deal, but it is unlikely that the government would bring charges without having done so.

But if a plea deal is not reached, either because Mr. Cohen and prosecutors cannot agree on the terms or because prosecutors determine he does not have valuable information or is not credible, the government would likely seek to bring charges well before the midterm elections.

If the matter is not finalized by the end of August, prosecutors probably will wait until after the election, one of the people familiar with the inquiry said in recent weeks. That schedule would conform with the Justice Department’s informal policy of avoiding bringing politically sensitive cases that could influence voters close to an election.
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 81,972
And1: 95,876
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: Villanovknicks

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#470 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:40 am

Image
Image
User avatar
Fat Kat
RealGM
Posts: 35,090
And1: 36,098
Joined: Apr 19, 2004
     

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#471 » by Fat Kat » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:42 am

Image
All comments made by Fat Kat are given as opinion, which may or may not be derived from facts, and not made to personally attack anyone on Realgm. All rights reserved.®
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 81,972
And1: 95,876
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: Villanovknicks

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#472 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:55 am

Donald Buzz Windrip Lightyear

Image
Image
WargamesX
RealGM
Posts: 10,843
And1: 8,101
Joined: Apr 10, 2017
   

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#473 » by WargamesX » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:06 am

Fat Kat wrote:Image


Wow..... WOW
Matthew 6:5
Luke 15:3-7
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#474 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:40 am

PorzinGAWD wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:Image


Wow..... WOW


I had that book as a kid, but I totally forgot about it. It came true

Image
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#475 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:41 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Image


Fredo, the Don(ald) would like a word with you
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#477 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:31 pm

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter


Trump with another one of his unintended ironies.

Citing McCarthyism when your mentor was Roy Cohn, a right hand man to Joe McCarthy, is so Trumpy.
Pointgod
RealGM
Posts: 24,193
And1: 24,496
Joined: Jun 28, 2014

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#478 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:12 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
magnumt wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Not going to create a new thread for this, but Wow this is disturbing

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Criticized for Excluding Press From 2 Town Hall Meetings

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-town-hall.html

She's a fugging idiot for doing this. Trump has been assaulting the free press with no restraint and she does this?

Stuff like this actually does make it easy to attack "liberals" as being as intolerant as the Alt Right

She better pull her head out of her ass fast or she'll have a very short time in the spotlight

Idiocracy indeed


Is that even legal?! :-? It's a TOWN HALL!

--Mags :beer:


Not sure man, probably won't try to research that point. But you do have to shake your head or just laugh when an event called a "Town Hall" blocks reporters from attending. Truly oxymoronic.


I meant to reply to this post from a while back. This not a huge deal, but really an unforced error from Ocasio Cortez. Pretty amateurish on her part. If the meeting was intended to be private they should have said as much. She has to be smarter than this because people are coming for her neck. Probably could have reached out to some more seasoned Congress members for advice. This is why the us against them mentality within the Democratic party is dumb.
Clyde_Style
RealGM
Posts: 71,855
And1: 69,930
Joined: Jul 12, 2009

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#479 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:56 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
magnumt wrote:
Is that even legal?! :-? It's a TOWN HALL!

--Mags :beer:


Not sure man, probably won't try to research that point. But you do have to shake your head or just laugh when an event called a "Town Hall" blocks reporters from attending. Truly oxymoronic.


I meant to reply to this post from a while back. This not a huge deal, but really an unforced error from Ocasio Cortez. Pretty amateurish on her part. If the meeting was intended to be private they should have said as much. She has to be smarter than this because people are coming for her neck. Probably could have reached out to some more seasoned Congress members for advice. This is why the us against them mentality within the Democratic party is dumb.


Sure, I can give her a pass for those reasons too, but it is such a low-grade intellectual error I have to wonder if she's a dingbat. That's not just a political error due to inexperience, it is mentally defective not to immediately recognize calling something a town hall really does imply full public access to everyone including media representatives.
User avatar
magnumt
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 49,372
And1: 15,048
Joined: Jan 27, 2004
Location: Gott'a Stick To My Girls Like Glue, Ain't No No. 2 Here...Sean Paul Style, Baby Gyrl!!!
Contact:
         

Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#480 » by magnumt » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:59 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
magnumt wrote:
Is that even legal?! :-? It's a TOWN HALL!

--Mags :beer:


Not sure man, probably won't try to research that point. But you do have to shake your head or just laugh when an event called a "Town Hall" blocks reporters from attending. Truly oxymoronic.


I meant to reply to this post from a while back. This not a huge deal, but really an unforced error from Ocasio Cortez. Pretty amateurish on her part. If the meeting was intended to be private they should have said as much. She has to be smarter than this because people are coming for her neck. Probably could have reached out to some more seasoned Congress members for advice. This is why the us against them mentality within the Democratic party is dumb.


I get what you're saying, but you can't hold a private meeting in a TOWN HALL! She has offices & conference rooms for that. A Town Hall is legally a public gathering place for the local municipalities.

--Mags :beer:
BAF 1.0 - Wizards: Year 2
PG: Kemba Walker (32) / Rivers (16) / Felton
SG: Evan Fournier (28) / Evans (20) / Dotson
SF: Gordon Hayward (36)/ Delly (12) / Dudley
PF: Kevin Love (36) / Frye (12) / Ellenson
C: Pau Gasol (32) / Noah (16) / Felicio


magnumt6

Return to New York Knicks