PG Thread: On the flipside, even though what we do is wrong, there's levels to this tank. The truth!(remi recap pg 19)

[Deeeez Knicks]

but we developed Jarrett Jack?????

We were trying for the lotto?????

we really weren't, jeff was trying to coach for the coaching career. He was trying to win.

Plus we spent $70-$80mil on Tim Hardaway. Another reason that was such a bad signing. They were trying for a fast turnaround

[Capn'O]

and we are left with our pick looking like this on drives...

[Capn'O]

Fran does pull off the occasional impressive random azz drive about every 4-5 games or so. The funny thing is has an incredulous look when he's doing it. Even he's like, "where the F did that come from I suck?"

A lot of it is mental... but damn, how does he eventually push through?

[Deeeez Knicks]

So I'm reading a headline right now right on this website that Cavs are willing to take on long term deals

Their phones must be blowing up right about now.

Smart move. They're hoping to find a Nets trade.

especially if they are the only team on the market currently doing this they can ask for crazy prices to move small amounts of money. Smart to make that known this early.

We should be doing that instead of chasing dreams. It would make it much easier to move guys like Lee and Kanter. Maybe pickup some small assets, open up playing time and it could help the tank.

[god shammgod]

Smart move. They're hoping to find a Nets trade.

especially if they are the only team on the market currently doing this they can ask for crazy prices to move small amounts of money. Smart to make that known this early.

We should be doing that instead of chasing dreams. It would make it much easier to move guys like Lee and Kanter. Maybe pickup some small assets, open up playing time and it could help the tank.

the knicks won't commit to that kind of rebuild with kp here. fiz said so yesterday. he said we didn't need to go the philly route because of kp.

[Jeff Van Gully]

So I'm reading a headline right now right on this website that Cavs are willing to take on long term deals

Their phones must be blowing up right about now.

Smart move. They're hoping to find a Nets trade.

best use of cap space during a rebuild. lessons learned.

[Deeeez Knicks]

especially if they are the only team on the market currently doing this they can ask for crazy prices to move small amounts of money. Smart to make that known this early.

We should be doing that instead of chasing dreams. It would make it much easier to move guys like Lee and Kanter. Maybe pickup some small assets, open up playing time and it could help the tank.

the knicks won't commit to that kind of rebuild with kp here. fiz said so yesterday. he said we didn't need to go the philly route because of kp.

Yeah, we wouldn't have stretched Noah either if that was our plan so I am not expecting it. I am expecting us to try to make some splashes in the offseason....if not a signing, then some trades (ex Wall).

[Jeff Van Gully]

especially if they are the only team on the market currently doing this they can ask for crazy prices to move small amounts of money. Smart to make that known this early.

We should be doing that instead of chasing dreams. It would make it much easier to move guys like Lee and Kanter. Maybe pickup some small assets, open up playing time and it could help the tank.

the knicks won't commit to that kind of rebuild with kp here. fiz said so yesterday. he said we didn't need to go the philly route because of kp.

i mean... KP is currently doing his part by embiiding/simmonsing. that was a major component of "the process." injury redshirt seasons.

[Jeff Van Gully]

We should be doing that instead of chasing dreams. It would make it much easier to move guys like Lee and Kanter. Maybe pickup some small assets, open up playing time and it could help the tank.

the knicks won't commit to that kind of rebuild with kp here. fiz said so yesterday. he said we didn't need to go the philly route because of kp.

Yeah, we wouldn't have stretched Noah either if that was our plan so I am not expecting it. I am expecting us to try to make some splashes in the offseason....if not a signing, then some trades (ex Wall).

i think they want to put the team together around KP now. true. but i am holding my breath that if no big fish bite in the offseason that we will hang onto the bag for the next window(s). to me, that would be no shortcuts. be ready. but be smart.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Fran does pull off the occasional impressive random azz drive about every 4-5 games or so. The funny thing is has an incredulous look when he's doing it. Even he's like, "where the F did that come from I suck?"

A lot of it is mental... but damn, how does he eventually push through?

oh, mase.

frank has a permanent deer-in-headlights look. even when he's doing something right. it's a whole weakness kind of vibe that is alarming.

i have been waiting for a moment like when he had that breakaway slam off the steal in strasbourg and pointed to his wrist to the crowd. i truly believe energy like that is what's most missing. he developed to a point at a child in a man's league. he had a mature confidence. now it doesn't look like he even has that.

[thebuzzardman]

We spread the floor and run dhos to get the middle open and force defenders to collapse for kickouts. That's a system.

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Barely. And the floor isn't even spread that well. Most of the screens and the half assed rolls just seem to bring the defender along to the ball handler. Like the screen isn't started far away enough from the hoop.

In any event, it seems like a basic, sort of crappy system and there's zero secondary stuff (or verrry little) after the initial action.

Because we don't have good shooters, roll men or ballhandlers. The Raptors run damn near the same stuff. They have Lowry, Kawhi, Green, Ibaka and Valanciunas we have Hardaway and the Bad News Bears.

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So, wouldn't a decent coach adjust somewhat to the personnel?

Even Jefe ran a spread offense last year that involved Frank and Beasley, KOQ, etc, and the other guards and those guys, and while it wasn't great, it was a decent offense, or aspects of it

Not so much that Fiz's system is terrible, but it could use a few tweaks, you'd think, for the players on hand.
Run curls for Knox
P&R for Frank and Mitch
P&R for Frank and Knox
more movement for everyone

[Deeeez Knicks]

the knicks won't commit to that kind of rebuild with kp here. fiz said so yesterday. he said we didn't need to go the philly route because of kp.

Yeah, we wouldn't have stretched Noah either if that was our plan so I am not expecting it. I am expecting us to try to make some splashes in the offseason....if not a signing, then some trades (ex Wall).

i think they want to put the team together around KP now. true. but i am holding my breath that if no big fish bite in the offseason that we will hang onto the bag for the next window(s). to me, that would be no shortcuts. be ready. but be smart.

Hopefully they can be patient, but I think its inevitable we do something dumb. They seem sold on taking advantage of KPs lower cap hold even if it means screwing us for the next 3-4 years.

[whocares1]

late in the season last year we were around the 3rd or 4th worst record. then the midget came and he led us back to 9th. so yes, we f*cked it up. we f*cked it up to showcase a g-league midget.

K-DOT disagrees. He thinks thanks to KP’s torrid 10 game start to the season is the reason why we weren’t going to be bad enough to tank for Doncic, but it’s why I made the sig that I have. Should’ve never signed Burke and that was all Perry.

your sig is wrong though. it wasn't 1 game. we won 2 of the last 5 and and 5 of the last 15 after they started him. before that we were something like 1-20.

Lol I know I just stopped updating because you know...whocares? Lol.

[Buttah304]

Miss out on Westbrook draft Gallo
Miss out on Curry draft Hill
Miss out on Fox draft Ntilikina
Miss out on Doncic draft Knox

But hey - lets go for some wins! Nothing like developing Trey **** Burke and Emmanuelle Mudiay! While we are at it lets continue to evaluate Mario **** Hezonja.

The fact that we are pouring big minutes into these contract year players is such a joke. Guys like Knox, Mitch, Dotson, Trier and Frank should be playing as MANY minutes as possible. Let them go through the trials and tribulations of an 82 game season. Let them sink, swim, get back up and sink some more. Let them foul out, have great shooting nights and poor ones.

This whole group that is telling themselves that Fizdale is "getting through" to some of these reclamation projects is hilarious to me.

But like I said - keep the meaningless wins coming and the 2-3 game win streaks on deck!

[nyc1695]

Miss out on Westbrook draft Gallo
Miss out on Curry draft Hill
Miss out on Fox draft Ntilikina
Miss out on Doncic draft Knox

But hey - lets go for some wins! Nothing like developing Trey **** Burke and Emmanuelle Mudiay! While we are at it lets continue to evaluate Mario **** Hezonja.

The fact that we are pouring big minutes into these contract year players is such a joke. Guys like Knox, Mitch, Dotson, Trier and Frank should be playing as MANY minutes as possible. Let them go through the trials and tribulations of an 82 game season. Let them sink, swim, get back up and sink some more. Let them foul out, have great shooting nights and poor ones.

This whole group that is telling themselves that Fizdale is "getting through" to some of these reclamation projects is hilarious to me.

But like I said - keep the meaningless wins coming and the 2-3 game win streaks on deck!

well yeah and we also missed on Mudiay and Hezonja (by 1 pick!!!) to draft Porzingis.

You dont always get the right guy anyway.

[F N 11]

Frank being targeted by Orlando. Knicks as so dumb

[F N 11]

Miss out on Westbrook draft Gallo
Miss out on Curry draft Hill
Miss out on Fox draft Ntilikina
Miss out on Doncic draft Knox

But hey - lets go for some wins! Nothing like developing Trey **** Burke and Emmanuelle Mudiay! While we are at it lets continue to evaluate Mario **** Hezonja.

The fact that we are pouring big minutes into these contract year players is such a joke. Guys like Knox, Mitch, Dotson, Trier and Frank should be playing as MANY minutes as possible. Let them go through the trials and tribulations of an 82 game season. Let them sink, swim, get back up and sink some more. Let them foul out, have great shooting nights and poor ones.

This whole group that is telling themselves that Fizdale is "getting through" to some of these reclamation projects is hilarious to me.

But like I said - keep the meaningless wins coming and the 2-3 game win streaks on deck!

Hardaway still on the team. I just decided to not care. Would be better for your health.

[fatalogic]

Miss out on Westbrook draft Gallo
Miss out on Curry draft Hill
Miss out on Fox draft Ntilikina
Miss out on Doncic draft Knox

But hey - lets go for some wins! Nothing like developing Trey **** Burke and Emmanuelle Mudiay! While we are at it lets continue to evaluate Mario **** Hezonja.

The fact that we are pouring big minutes into these contract year players is such a joke. Guys like Knox, Mitch, Dotson, Trier and Frank should be playing as MANY minutes as possible. Let them go through the trials and tribulations of an 82 game season. Let them sink, swim, get back up and sink some more. Let them foul out, have great shooting nights and poor ones.

This whole group that is telling themselves that Fizdale is "getting through" to some of these reclamation projects is hilarious to me.

But like I said - keep the meaningless wins coming and the 2-3 game win streaks on deck!

Funny thing is when the team looks top 3 bad everyone freaks out, wants to trade everyone and fire the coach. This board can't have it both ways. The team either looks really really bad or looks mediocre and picks 8-10. Right now they are bottom 5 in net rating which will probably drop when the Bulls get healthy again. As long as KP doesn't come back they are on track for a top 5 pick.

[Mecca]

I would trade Frank for Hami &/or Burton in a millisecond. That’s the deal I want.

[kingquan316]

We suck and lost. Be happy.