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[blueNorange]

players describing patrick's graham's defense.

“Umm, I guess, I would just say, kind of — the closest you could say is 3-4,” said former Giants defensive end Avery Moss, who started eight games in Miami this season. “But it is truly multiple. It will sometimes be a 4-3, then we had a 6-2 front and that was our primary defense for a couple of weeks, then there were a couple of weeks where we only ran three D-tackles and two outside linebackers. It’s really wild. I guess it’s a 3-4 base, but trying to use more and different body types among that front five.”

“Uhh, it was like a — I guess it was like a 3-4,” Munson said. “There were a few adjustments. It was a 3-4 with some moving parts to it.”

sounds like isiah simmons is tailor made for what graham wants.

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[GONYK]

players describing patrick's graham's defense.

“Umm, I guess, I would just say, kind of — the closest you could say is 3-4,” said former Giants defensive end Avery Moss, who started eight games in Miami this season. “But it is truly multiple. It will sometimes be a 4-3, then we had a 6-2 front and that was our primary defense for a couple of weeks, then there were a couple of weeks where we only ran three D-tackles and two outside linebackers. It’s really wild. I guess it’s a 3-4 base, but trying to use more and different body types among that front five.”

“Uhh, it was like a — I guess it was like a 3-4,” Munson said. “There were a few adjustments. It was a 3-4 with some moving parts to it.”

sounds like isiah simmons is tailor made for what graham wants.

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Simmons not only has the ability to play all those positions, he has the measurables and physical gifts to contend for All-Pro at most of them.

Very rarely do you have the chance to get someone who can redefine the position for the game going forward.

The main question is if that is deemed more important than a stud left tackle to protect your franchise QB and open up holes for your franchise RB

[GONYK]

Joe Brady to Carolina as well.

Damn it, man. They aren't playing around.

[KOA]

Anybody have any insight into Patrick Graham? I can't really make any sense of why they would pick Miami's D-Coordinator out of all of the coordinators out there. Did they sort on defensive stats the wrong way? I can see how that could be confusing...

other than the dolphins having no talent, what do you not like about him?

He over complicates his defensive schemes. If you implement a complicated defense into a young team it’s a recipe for disaster. I fully expect the giants to rank 28+ in most defensive categories this year.

[Kampuchea]

Anybody have any insight into Patrick Graham? I can't really make any sense of why they would pick Miami's D-Coordinator out of all of the coordinators out there. Did they sort on defensive stats the wrong way? I can see how that could be confusing...

other than the dolphins having no talent, what do you not like about him?

He over complicates his defensive schemes. If you implement a complicated defense into a young team it’s a recipe for disaster. I fully expect the giants to rank 28+ in most defensive categories this year.

We need talent all over on Defense, so your prediction is pretty likely without a major player overhaul.

[blueNorange]

Anybody have any insight into Patrick Graham? I can't really make any sense of why they would pick Miami's D-Coordinator out of all of the coordinators out there. Did they sort on defensive stats the wrong way? I can see how that could be confusing...

other than the dolphins having no talent, what do you not like about him?

He over complicates his defensive schemes. If you implement a complicated defense into a young team it’s a recipe for disaster. I fully expect the giants to rank 28+ in most defensive categories this year.

a second year playing bitching because he was asked to play multiple positions other than safety isn't over complicating anything.

[GONYK]

Pretty brilliant article on Isaiah Simmons

Snippets:

Simmons is expected to enter the draft because he is expected to be a top-five pick — Adam Schefter went so far as to question if Simmons had done enough to supplant Ohio State EDGE Chase Young as the top defender off the board. But when skeptics hear the lofty stock projection, they respond with doubt, centered on a single question: Where do you play Simmons in the NFL?

Simmons, however, is different. The implicit assumption isn't that he might be more effective at a different position in the league, it's that his position doesn't exist. Unlike Edwards, Hunt and Davidson, Simmons is compelled into a new role by the absence of his old one.

This assumption is half true. It's the other half that is dangerous.

Simmons' position on Clemson’s defense is difficult to define. Against read-option teams like Georgia Tech, he tended to align in the overhang role that developed out of the archaic "SAM" position to effectively read and attack the mesh point behind the line of scrimmage.

Against Ohio State, he became an "umbrella" or middle safety player. Simmons was responsible for completing the run fit to both sides of the formation while also playing the deep half, middle hole, or single high zones when the offense dropped back to pass.

In base defenses with more traditional linebackers on the field, he could flex out over No. 2 in the formation and carry size, speed or quickness anywhere he wanted to go in man coverage.


When playing from depth, Simmons was always a threat to blitz, and his explosiveness and length allowed him to win one-on-ones against offensive linemen.


And if you faced a mobile quarterback and didn't want to waste Simmons on a rush, you could spy him and let him clean up the mess created by your other pass-rushers.


To say Simmons' position doesn't exist at the NFL is true, in that no position would ask him to do all of these things. But of all the alignments and roles Simmons filled over his final season, only the middle safety role is unfamiliar to NFL defenses. Man coverage from the slot, run/pass conflict from the overhang, blitz from the SAM and QB spy from the A-gap are pretty standard jobs.

Drawing rigid lines that delineate the SAM from the MIKE from the WILL from the STAR from the DS from the CS will force a coach to pick a label to give Simmons, and accordingly encourages one to define his role. But it’s backward and ineffective. You don't want to take a position like MIKE and make Simmons fit into it; you want to take Simmons and make a position out of him.

The appropriate question is, "What do you want to ask Simmons to do?" No player has ever matched this degree of versatility in the era of modern defense. He is the skeleton key, the golden ratio.

So we cheerfully skip by the first question and arrive at, "What do you want Simmons to do?" The answer, again, maybe everything. Perhaps his best ability is his versatility and the confusion that causes on defense. This is the theory of Venables: The unyielding principle that defense is chaos and the aggressive restlessness of his corresponding defensive structure. Simmons is everywhere, he reveals no tendency and offers no weakness. In an explosion of fireworks, it's tough to follow one single arm of a blast through the flash and the bang.

If this is the case, then Simmons is in trouble. He feels like a defensive coordinator's best friend because he can do no wrong, no matter what he's asked to do. But coaches are not scouts; they don't view versatility with the same reverence. Simmons does everything for Clemson, but so do fellow safeties K'Von Wallace and Tanner Muse — to lesser degrees and efficacy, of course. For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. Whenever Simmons spins from a strong side No. 2 to the opposite deep half zone, other players must rotate as well to retain the defenses' structure. You either have a positionless defense, or you don't — there is no middle ground.

To fully unlock Simmons at the NFL level, you must treat him as Venables did. But Venables changed his front alignment, co-opting ideas from Iowa State and the Big 12, in order to maximize Simmons' roaming ability. Few, if any, defensive coordinators in the NFL show such willing flexibility. They have archetypes for their positions, and Simmons doesn't fit into any existing ones.

So Simmons' best trait cannot be his versatility. He might be able to do everything, but defensive coordinators likely won't ask him to. They may ask him to transition to MIKE, and he'll enjoy the same rise as Tremaine Edmunds, who has grown with his freak athleticism as the focal point of the Bills’ defense. Edmunds sugars the A-gap before the snap and flies to a hook/curl zone in a blink; he confounds protection calls while still securing the hot route in coverage. They may ask him to move to box safety, and he'll challenge Derwin James for the most versatile safety in the league, chasing him in sack numbers, tackle for loss numbers and pass breakups. They may stick Simmons to WILL and he'll immediately supplant Fred Warner as the best young weakside runner in the league, with the underneath coverage ability to produce at a league-leading level.

Can we even answer our titular question? Where do you play Isaiah Simmons, when you have all of these options, but no single one is enough? The answer moves, hopefully, with the personnel available on defense, the best players on the opposing offense and the defensive coaching staff. If Simmons can help you get your best 11 on the field, if he can help you takeaway Travis Kelce in the wild-card round, DeAndre Hopkins in the divisional round, and Lamar Jackson in the championship round, then he's worth anything you pay for him. But that requires an acceptance of the fringes, a willingness to evolve and re-evolve as circumstances change. His potential is boundless; it's only the boundaries of the defense that constrain his future.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/isaiah-simmons-national-championship-2020-nfl-draft-clemson-tigers-where-do-you-play

[Dave DaButcher]

OBJ is just an awful guy. So glad he's not our headache anymore.

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[GONYK]

Welcome back to NY, Jason Garrett

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[JXL]

So... Jason Garrett is our new OC...

Did someone tell him that we don't have a Pro Bowl offensive line like the Cowgirls?

Or that he didn't do diddly squat with said offense that led them to 8-8?

[GONYK]

So... Jason Garrett is our new OC...

Did someone tell him that we don't have a Pro Bowl offensive line like the Cowgirls?

Or that he didn't do diddly squat with said offense that led them to 8-8?

He was a pretty good OC in Dallas, brings QB experience for Danny, and brings HC experience to help Judge.

[mpharris36]

So... Jason Garrett is our new OC...

Did someone tell him that we don't have a Pro Bowl offensive line like the Cowgirls?

Or that he didn't do diddly squat with said offense that led them to 8-8?

He was a pretty good OC in Dallas, brings QB experience for Danny, and brings HC experience to help Judge.

hopefully the most important thing...

he brings callahan as the offensive line coach

[GONYK]

So... Jason Garrett is our new OC...

Did someone tell him that we don't have a Pro Bowl offensive line like the Cowgirls?

Or that he didn't do diddly squat with said offense that led them to 8-8?

He was a pretty good OC in Dallas, brings QB experience for Danny, and brings HC experience to help Judge.

hopefully the most important thing...

he brings callahan as the offensive line coach

[GONYK]

So... Jason Garrett is our new OC...

Did someone tell him that we don't have a Pro Bowl offensive line like the Cowgirls?

Or that he didn't do diddly squat with said offense that led them to 8-8?

He was a pretty good OC in Dallas, brings QB experience for Danny, and brings HC experience to help Judge.

hopefully the most important thing...

he brings callahan as the offensive line coach

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[mpharris36]

He was a pretty good OC in Dallas, brings QB experience for Danny, and brings HC experience to help Judge.

hopefully the most important thing...

he brings callahan as the offensive line coach

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from what I hear is once we signed garrett because garrett once fired callahan it was over for callahan...makes me dislike the garrett move.

I think callahan was more important that garrett

[GONYK]

hopefully the most important thing...

he brings callahan as the offensive line coach

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from what I hear is once we signed garrett because garrett once fired callahan it was over for callahan...makes me dislike the garrett move.

I think callahan was more important that garrett

I don't know if I agree. I don't think Callahan is the only line coach.

Colombo is good. I wonder if Hiestand will get a look as well.

[mpharris36]

Colombo would be good. The dolphins guy flip flops too much for my liking. There has to be a reason he can’t stick with a team.

Get Colombo and I will be good

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[F N 11]

All star staff for talented players. I love it!!!

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Thanks eli