Around the Offseason, Take 2

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I think they'll be a good team, but they're gonna struggle to get to the top unless Kyrie goes nuclear or something and KD comes back perfectly fine

I agree. This next season they'll likely be about the same as they were last year, perhaps a little better if LeVert can stay healthy. I'm not convinced that Kyrie for 65 games is much of an upgrade over Russell for 81 games.

When KD comes back in 2020-2021, they'll be a good team, but I don't see them as a legit title contender. A 27 year old Durant paired with a prime Westbrook couldn't win a championship, so it's tough to imagine a 32 year old Durant, post-injury, getting over the hump with Kyrie and a hobbled DeAndre Jordan. The Nets do have a decent supporting cast of young players, so I guess if someone like Dinwiddie, Allen, or LeVert makes a huge leap and develops into a star by then, they could have a shot. But that's a lot to hang one's hat on, especially with other risky variables like Durant's recovery and Kyrie's long-term health.

[Ryusoulger]

*Are

Were*.

There is a reason why the Knicks are mentioned literally every time someone mentions the Nets. That's not to take away from the fact that the Nets have done a wonderful job coming back from the Boston trade, but it's pretty clear they are still the little brothers of NYC, it's not even close really.

Because it’s a slap in the face when knicks have been New York’s biggest basketball team yet the “B” team gets the stars.

Also, the knicks are somewhat of a joke. Any success the nets have or failures you have will be broadcasted. That’s why people talk about you.

When free agency happened. You guys trended solely because people wanted to laugh at you. If you are proud of that, then I mean I guess....

Finally, nobody cares about who gets talked about more. That don’t win rings and This is not a gossip magazine, this is basketball. I’m more concerned about who’s winning, and it looks like NEts will carry the manyle for the city for years to come cause the knicks are a long way from ever being a contender team

I don’t even disrespect the knicks. Honestly I’d like to see the knicks good again, but don’t get it twisted. When it comes to NY worldwide it’s known the Nets are the ones who will have the championship expectations. That’s why the media praises us while laughing at y’all.

The knicks failures will just be the “same ol knicks” we, however, have the pressure of winning now

Untill you have our expectations, then you are the little brother. I say this with love. Can’t be the big brother constantly getting beat up while the little brother has to take care of business. You guys won all of 17 games last year while we fought tooth and nail for playoffs

[Ryusoulger]

The majority would not see a post-Achilles injury KD and Kyrie as a turn around. Hell, the NYK fanbase in itself was like 50 50 on signing Durant after the injury.

And 80% of the fanbase only wanted Kyrie if it meant getting Durant and 15% did not want him at all. This was before the KD injury. Afterwards, most fans were at peace with Kyrie being a Net.

Just saying, if the NYK fanbase was so split on these two players, I don't see how the majority of the media would be like "great turnaround by the Knicks, they really did it".

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now.

That's to be determined. But two things are for sure. Knicks FO did not want Kyrie running the locker room while KD was away. This is known. Two, Knicks were very hesitant to offer a KD a max post injury. You don't hear this in the media or from general NBA fans. You just hear, "lol they lost KD and Kyrie to the Nets".

Side note, Nets are still considered "the little brothers" and that's being generous. Every article or piece associates them with the Knicks.

I disagree. All last season knicks fans on twitter and social media swore to KD, Kyrie and Zion. Case in point



All season long it was Kyrie KD and Zion. There was even AD talks thrown in there

It was discussed in the media to and I won’t even bother posting the media blogs including media pundits talking about this knicks dream.

Truth of the matter is y’all plan b was actually good. But don’t act like there wasn’t an overwhelming force that swore to KD/Kyrie knicks. And had that happened, you guys would of been in great shape perception wise atleast

Side note: every article or piece about the knicks is laughing at you. That’s like the kid getting beat up by kids who always hangs out with in school, but saying “atleast I have friends”. Matter afact no, that’s like always getting made fun of by so called friends, and when people try to tell you stop hanging with them,to make yourself feel better, you say “atleast I’m getting more attention that you”. Let’s sum it up to this. Who gets the most positive attention? Who gets called a winning culture after one winning season? Who gets called a genius? Sean marks or Dolen? Here’s a hint, it’s not Dolen

I didn’t come here to gloat either, I’m a New Yorker, in neutral to the knicks, but you can’t be a 17 win talking trash to a team that has to handle the pressure you couldn’t

The nets shouldn’t be carrying NY now, y’all should but y’all are not capable of. The nets have to take on a task that you guys failed to do

[god shammgod]

this is y'alls fault, you encouraged him.

[Stannis]

I disagree. All last season knicks fans on twitter and social media swore to KD, Kyrie and Zion. Case in point

All season long it was Kyrie KD and Zion. There was even AD talks thrown in there

It was discussed in the media to and I won’t even bother posting the media blogs including media pundits talking about this knicks dream.

Truth of the matter is y’all plan b was actually good. But don’t act like there wasn’t an overwhelming force that swore to KD/Kyrie knicks. And had that happened, you guys would of been in great shape perception wise atleast

Side note: every article or piece about the knicks is laughing at you. That’s like the kid getting beat up by kids who always hangs out with in school, but saying “atleast I get attention”. Let’s sum it up to this. Who gets the most positive attention? Who gets called a winning culture after one winning season? Who gets called a geunius? Sean marks or Dolen? Here’s a hint, it’s not dolen

I'll give you Zion. Fans did jump the gun on that one.

But Kyrie/KD.... It was clear the Knicks FO were wary post injury. Fans were as well. Yes a healthy duo would have been great and most fans were all for that. But most did not want Kyrie running the locker room. Half of them did not want to sign KD to a max post injury. I don't see how bringing in Kyrie Iriving after all the chaos in Boston plus KD (who will likely be out most of the year) would give the Knicks a good "perception" around the league.

AD talks? Knicks backed out of those discussions because they didn't like the price tag. 99.9% love Mitch too much to just package him with 5 first round picks.

Gratz on the 42-40 season.

[god shammgod]

this was all just a hustle to convince tsai to overpay for the nets. he thinks he's buying a hot property. after the band-wagoners realize the nets aint sh*t and durant aint the same, it will be back to 5 dollar tickets at the barclays.

[god shammgod]

Read on Twitter

ESPN’s post-schedule release win projections are out and Kevin Pelton thinks the Nets may only be as good as last year, nothing more ... assuming Kevin Durant doesn’t play at all.

Pelton projects the Nets at 41 wins —one fewer than last year— and the eighth seed in the East, down two.

Could the Nets take a step back after landing stars Durant and Kyrie Irving in free agency? It seems possible, starting with the fact that Durant might not play at all in 2019-20. (He isn’t included in Brooklyn’s projection.) Given the massive leap from 28 wins in 2017-18 to 42 last season, the Nets were perhaps due for some regression to the mean -- and the effect of changing teams means Irving might not be a big upgrade on departed D’Angelo Russell.

Pelton’s prediction falls well below the expectation of fans, but is in line with other recent projections. Nate Silver at 538.com projects the Nets at 38 wins and a 64 percent chance at the playoffs. And Andy Bailey, the stats heavy analyst at Bleacher Report, has them at 43. Like Pelton, Bailey wonders if Kyrie Irving is a big improvement over D’Angelo Russell.

Without Kevin Durant for most, if not all, of 2019-20, Brooklyn may not look significantly different than it did last season when it went 42-40.

Kyrie Irving is an upgrade over D’Angelo Russell, but maybe not a monumental one. The Ringer’s Dan Devine explained:

”The calculus is complicated. Irving is the better player—a six-time All-Star fresh off an All-NBA second team selection, a marksman who’s made better than 40 percent of his 3-point attempts in four of the past five seasons, and a half-court locksmith capable of deconstructing virtually any defense. But he comes with some glaring concerns, headlined by those nettlesome chemistry questions. During that same Lowe Post podcast, ESPN salary cap guru/former Nets assistant GM Bobby Marks invoked Deron Williams’s dour tenure with the franchise, a point of comparison that likely sent shivers down Nets fans’ spines.”

Kyrie Irving with a bunch of young players who just got a taste of the playoffs? Where have we heard this story before?

If the script plays out in Brooklyn the way it did in Boston, KD could be returning with a sense of urgency in 2020-21 (or whenever that day comes).

[stuporman]

Desperately insecure Net fans are so sad and funny at the same time.

[dakomish23]

this was all just a hustle to convince tsai to overpay for the nets. he thinks he's buying a hot property. after the band-wagoners realize the nets aint sh*t and durant aint the same, it will be back to 5 dollar tickets at the barclays.

Sham curse invoked. Expecting multiple championships for BKN now

[Ryusoulger]

I disagree. All last season knicks fans on twitter and social media swore to KD, Kyrie and Zion. Case in point

All season long it was Kyrie KD and Zion. There was even AD talks thrown in there

It was discussed in the media to and I won’t even bother posting the media blogs including media pundits talking about this knicks dream.

Truth of the matter is y’all plan b was actually good. But don’t act like there wasn’t an overwhelming force that swore to KD/Kyrie knicks. And had that happened, you guys would of been in great shape perception wise atleast

Side note: every article or piece about the knicks is laughing at you. That’s like the kid getting beat up by kids who always hangs out with in school, but saying “atleast I get attention”. Let’s sum it up to this. Who gets the most positive attention? Who gets called a winning culture after one winning season? Who gets called a geunius? Sean marks or Dolen? Here’s a hint, it’s not dolen

I'll give you Zion. Fans did jump the gun on that one.

But Kyrie/KD.... It was clear the Knicks FO were wary post injury. Fans were as well. Yes a healthy duo would have been great and most fans were all for that. But most did not want Kyrie running the locker room. Half of them did not want to sign KD to a max post injury. I don't see how bringing in Kyrie Iriving after all the chaos in Boston plus KD (who will likely be out most of the year) would give the Knicks a good "perception" around the league.

AD talks? Knicks backed out of those discussions because they didn't like the price tag. 99.9% love Mitch too much to just package him with 5 first round picks.

Gratz on the 42-40 season.

Meh, we’ll see. This season shall be interesting. To competitive NY basketball, and hopes that the knicks could win 30 games, let alone 42

[malik959]

Were*.

There is a reason why the Knicks are mentioned literally every time someone mentions the Nets. That's not to take away from the fact that the Nets have done a wonderful job coming back from the Boston trade, but it's pretty clear they are still the little brothers of NYC, it's not even close really.

Because it’s a slap in the face when knicks have been New York’s biggest basketball team yet the “B” team gets the stars.

Also, the knicks are somewhat of a joke. Any success the nets have or failures you have will be broadcasted. That’s why people talk about you.

When free agency happened. You guys trended solely because people wanted to laugh at you. If you are proud of that, then I mean I guess....

Finally, nobody cares about who gets talked about more. That don’t win rings and This is not a gossip magazine, this is basketball. I’m more concerned about who’s winning, and it looks like NEts will carry the manyle for the city for years to come cause the knicks are a long way from ever being a contender team

I don’t even disrespect the knicks. Honestly I’d like to see the knicks good again, but don’t get it twisted. When it comes to NY worldwide it’s known the Nets are the ones who will have the championship expectations. That’s why the media praises us while laughing at y’all.

The knicks failures will just be the “same ol knicks” we, however, have the pressure of winning now

Untill you have our expectations, then you are the little brother. I say this with love. Can’t be the big brother constantly getting beat up while the little brother has to take care of business. You guys won all of 17 games last year while we fought tooth and nail for playoffs

Man we all know how the media is in New York, when they need numbers they bring up the knicks. All throughout the summer you heard "Oh I heard from my SPECIAL source that KD and KI are teaming up on the Knicks", or KD was seen walking out of Dolan's office. They purposely hyped up fans knowing that the Knicks were planning on raising their own which was stated in the beginning and stress throughout the summer. We picked up players that are going to push these kids to better themselves. KD and KI were never in the plans.

So as far as the Nets, in order to get more likes and hits they have to bring up the Knicks. Your team put their life savings on the line for one player that is never healthy and the other that has a high chance of never coming back the same. Think Kobe and Cousins. If the Knicks had done this they'd be eaten alive.

[Ryusoulger]

There is a reason why the Knicks are mentioned literally every time someone mentions the Nets. That's not to take away from the fact that the Nets have done a wonderful job coming back from the Boston trade, but it's pretty clear they are still the little brothers of NYC, it's not even close really.

Because it’s a slap in the face when knicks have been New York’s biggest basketball team yet the “B” team gets the stars.

Also, the knicks are somewhat of a joke. Any success the nets have or failures you have will be broadcasted. That’s why people talk about you.

When free agency happened. You guys trended solely because people wanted to laugh at you. If you are proud of that, then I mean I guess....

Finally, nobody cares about who gets talked about more. That don’t win rings and This is not a gossip magazine, this is basketball. I’m more concerned about who’s winning, and it looks like NEts will carry the manyle for the city for years to come cause the knicks are a long way from ever being a contender team

I don’t even disrespect the knicks. Honestly I’d like to see the knicks good again, but don’t get it twisted. When it comes to NY worldwide it’s known the Nets are the ones who will have the championship expectations. That’s why the media praises us while laughing at y’all.

The knicks failures will just be the “same ol knicks” we, however, have the pressure of winning now

Untill you have our expectations, then you are the little brother. I say this with love. Can’t be the big brother constantly getting beat up while the little brother has to take care of business. You guys won all of 17 games last year while we fought tooth and nail for playoffs

Man we all know how the media is in New York, when they need numbers they bring up the knicks. All throughout the summer you heard "Oh I heard from my SPECIAL source that KD and KI are teaming up on the Knicks", or KD was seen walking out of Dolan's office. They purposely hyped up fans knowing that the Knicks were planning on raising their own which was stated in the beginning and stress throughout the summer. We picked up players that are going to push these kids to better themselves. KD and KI were never in the plans.

So as far as the Nets, in order to get more likes and hits they have to bring up the Knicks. Your team put their life savings on the line for one player that is never healthy and the other that has a high chance of never coming back the same. Think Kobe and Cousins. If the Knicks had done this they'd be eaten alive.

And that’s the problem. The Knicks have become a punching line in their own city. Even if the nets ceased to exist they will bring up the Knicks to troll y’all. That’s nothing to be proud of so I’m confused as to why knicks fans are bragging about people “talking about the knicks for hits” when it’s always something negative. I as a net fan rather y’all keep that kind of relevancy cause it’s not good.

Don’t mistake any of my posts as making fun of y’all, I’m just being honest. We know the knicks have a lot of history that the nets don’t. I never denied that

I also won’t deny that the media played their part in trolling knicks fans. The nets had no other choice but to take a risk, a risk I believe the Knicks would have taken cause I don’t buy that KD wasn’t offered the max. It’s more believable that he just wanted to follow Kyrie.

And I already stated you guys made good decisions and didn’t overpay for long contracts. We will see this coming season.

[Capn'O]

Ooooooh ****, they made a picture and everything? I've never seen that before?! How did they do that?!?!?!?!

Look, we're not saying we're not the something something appropriate word something older brother but we're still the older brother. Last year we were the honest to god worst team in the league and we still whooped the Nets' ass on attendance and y'all were a playoff team.

The Nets' popularity stakes obviously improved by getting Durant and Kyrie but on that front the Knicks will be fine. They really will. We've been terrible for like 20 years and still put butts in seats. So when Durant busted that Achilles - really big deal btw - the Knicks could afford to say "yknow, whoa, maybe we shouldn't put our chips there" and backed off of some of what we were offering whereas you guys HAD to still go all out to bring your box office up to par so the Russian could move on.

People will still come to see the Knicks and if Mitch or Randle or RJ or anyone else look like players they'll sell a bunch of jerseys. If they build something in a few years there won't even be a question. Just enjoy the players you got and hope Kyrie isn't an ass and Durant doesn't come back busted. We'll be chillin'.

And, seriously, do leave our forum.

[Jalen Bluntson]

These Nets fans talking trash better hope Kyrie stays healthy for 4 years and KD comes back healthy in 2 years. That's a 2 year window for success that is seriously questionable.

[Ryusoulger]

Ooooooh ****, they made a picture and everything? I've never seen that before?! How did they do that?!?!?!?!

Look, we're not saying we're not the something something appropriate word something older brother but we're still the older brother. Last year we were the honest to god worst team in the league and we still whooped the Nets' ass on attendance and y'all were a playoff team.

The Nets' popularity stakes obviously improved by getting Durant and Kyrie but on that front the Knicks will be fine. They really will. We've been terrible for like 20 years and still put butts in seats. So when Durant busted that Achilles - really big deal btw - the Knicks could afford to say "yknow, whoa, maybe we shouldn't put our chips there" and backed off of some of what we were offering whereas you guys HAD to still go all out to bring your box office up to par so the Russian could move on.

People will still come to see the Knicks and if Mitch or Randle or RJ or anyone else look like players they'll sell a bunch of jerseys. If they build something in a few years there won't even be a question. Just enjoy the players you got and hope Kyrie isn't an ass and Durant doesn't come back busted. We'll be chillin'.

And, seriously, do leave our forum.

Y’all lost that season series last season to us though so I’m not sure what “whoop ass in attendance” means when we were 3-1 against y’all even though we were also terrible most of last season too. 8-18 at one point actually. We improved. I don’t care who sells out arenas these are not musicians.

You guys had more attendance than the lakers clippers and Boston, all of whom I’m sure most knicks fans would trade places with in a heartbeat if you can trade team success. You were also only a couple behind the warriors as well so my point is proven.
You won 17 games so I understand this is all you can brag about cause I’m sure if you were in our position, y’all would be bragging about more than who sells out seats. As far as the little brother. You guys were 17 win team last year. Knicks are nothing more than a team that was in NY before us. Nothing more, nothing less. Your team has done nothing in 20 years that warrants talking **** outside of a 50+ win season and even that era ended miserably with Melo. Nets made too many strides to be better, just for a team that has been historically terrible to try down on us cause they were great 20+ years ago

I have no doubt the Knicks will remain one of the most popular teams, but so what? If you not winning games, I don’t care. Like I never argued about a sport where popularity and attendance mattered more then winning games.

I never said the knicks won’t be popular. Dolen will continue to take money from that organization. This we know for sure. What I am saying, that doesn’t matter in the long run

We carrying the city to the playoffs. Not you guys.

[Capn'O]

I have no doubt the Knicks will remain one of the most popular teams, but so what?

So we didn't need to bust our wad on a guy with a career threatening injury and another guy that doesn't jive well with young players. We can continue building through the draft and free agency over a longer term without hurting the bottom line.

As far as talking ****? That would be the guy that has gone to a rival forum taking up page after page of posts denigrating the host. You are not here in peace and you can leave the easy way for you or the easy way for us.

[GONYK]

I never said the knicks won’t be popular. Dolen will continue to take money from that organization. This we know for sure. What I am saying, that doesn’t matter in the long run

We carrying the city to the playoffs. Not you guys.

Well, the vast majority of the city doesn't pay attention to your team. So, this is somewhat an odd claim.

What truly doesn't matter in the long run is the Nets winning 40ish games for the next 3 years.

Or did that playoff run with Garnett and Pierce really leave an enduring legacy nobody is aware of?

[Jalen Bluntson]

[*]

Ooooooh ****, they made a picture and everything? I've never seen that before?! How did they do that?!?!?!?!

Look, we're not saying we're not the something something appropriate word something older brother but we're still the older brother. Last year we were the honest to god worst team in the league and we still whooped the Nets' ass on attendance and y'all were a playoff team.

The Nets' popularity stakes obviously improved by getting Durant and Kyrie but on that front the Knicks will be fine. They really will. We've been terrible for like 20 years and still put butts in seats. So when Durant busted that Achilles - really big deal btw - the Knicks could afford to say "yknow, whoa, maybe we shouldn't put our chips there" and backed off of some of what we were offering whereas you guys HAD to still go all out to bring your box office up to par so the Russian could move on.

People will still come to see the Knicks and if Mitch or Randle or RJ or anyone else look like players they'll sell a bunch of jerseys. If they build something in a few years there won't even be a question. Just enjoy the players you got and hope Kyrie isn't an ass and Durant doesn't come back busted. We'll be chillin'.

And, seriously, do leave our forum.

Y’all lost that season series last season to us though so I’m not sure what “whoop ass in attendance” means when we were 3-1 against y’all even though we were also terrible most of last season too. 8-18 at one point actually. We improved. I don’t care who sells out arenas these are not musicians.

You guys had more attendance than the lakers clippers and Boston, all of whom I’m sure most knicks fans would trade places with in a heartbeat if you can trade team success. You were also only a couple behind the warriors as well so my point is proven.
You won 17 games so I understand this is all you can brag about cause I’m sure if you were in our position, y’all would be bragging about more than who sells out seats. As far as the little brother. You guys were 17 win team last year. Knicks are nothing more than a team that was in NY before us. Nothing more, nothing less. Your team has done nothing in 20 years that warrants talking **** outside of a 50+ win season and even that era ended miserably with Melo. Nets made too many strides to be better, just for a team that has been historically terrible to try down on us cause they were great 20+ years ago

I have no doubt the Knicks will remain one of the most popular teams, but so what? If you not winning games, I don’t care. Like I never argued about a sport where popularity and attendance mattered more then winning games.

I never said the knicks won’t be popular. Dolen will continue to take money from that organization. This we know for sure. What I am saying, that doesn’t matter in the long run

We carrying the city to the playoffs. Not you guys.

The Nets won what exactly in the last 20 years? Nothing. They moved to Brooklyn because New Jersey fans didn't even go see them play....just like the 12 BKN fans that don't go either...because they never win shyt!! Other than Kyrie/KD going there...nothing else has ever worked out there. This summer... the headlines are all you got. 70mil per on players that either NEVER stay healthy or won't even suit up together next year...That's what you're puffing your chest out over? In 2-3 years you'll have 2 over the hill injury risks taking up all of your cap. That's not a good plan.

Knicks are on the right path. Nets fans are getting way ahead of themselves right now.

[Knick4Real]

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

*Are

Were*.

- You've been in NY all of 6 years, whereas the KNICKS are an original NBA franchise.

- You've had the worst game attendance in the entire NBA.

- You have Kyrie Irving who the team admitted they DID NOT want alone.

- You have Kevin Durant who has a MAJOR injury, with NO IDEA when he will return or IF he will ever return to his former self.

With all that said, you might want to actually do something FIRST before you come into another team's forum bragging about how important you "think" you are!!

So, until that time, the nets board is thataway. ====>>>>>>>

[Ryusoulger]

I never said the knicks won’t be popular. Dolen will continue to take money from that organization. This we know for sure. What I am saying, that doesn’t matter in the long run

We carrying the city to the playoffs. Not you guys.

Well, the vast majority of the city doesn't pay attention to your team. So, this is somewhat an odd claim.

What truly doesn't matter in the long run is the Nets winning 40ish games for the next 3 years.

Or did that playoff run with Garnett and Pierce really leave an enduring legacy nobody is aware of?

Yea we know the vast majority of the city holds on to hope that a team that’s been historically terrible and poorly ran for years will someday be good. That’s not new. And yes, the nets being a winning team matters

If I had to choose between a high attendance records and 17 wins, or 40 wins, making the playoffs and being on the lowest of the attendance record. Give me the latter each and every time. That KG and PP nets team went 44-38 one year. Knicks would throw a parade if they had such a record.

In fact since the 2000s started. The nets have managed more stars, playoff appearances and finals appearances. What enduring legacy have you guys left now that we are going into the 2020s? Carmelo drama? Let me know. There’s a whole generation that grew up seeing the knicks be terrible.