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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#461 » by Context » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:44 pm

nedleeds wrote:Just shook hands with Mark Cuban at a health care conference. Thanked him for exposing our front office as total amateurs, he laughed.

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KP did not want to be here- no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack...

And for the 100th time...in order to execute a "trade in the nba". There are several considerations
that have to be addressed... In other words, Dallas was one of the "few" teams that could complete a "KP trade"...

Since you are so experienced on how to "professionally" complete a trade- name me two other teams
that could have traded for KP?

I'll wait...
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Post#462 » by nedleeds » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:59 pm

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Me, I thought we should have kept him.


"that we know he aint ??


who the f**** are you that thinks he knows whether or not he'll be a franchise player??

Cant defend the perimeter, cant play a whole season, cant go inside, can't rebound but sure continue over-rating him because hes really good at shooting threes, mel kipper.


He's actually not very good at shooting threes. For a 7'3" guy he is, but that's it. 36% career average so far.

And he definitely can't rebound for **** or play a whole season without wearing down and then breaking.


How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#463 » by nedleeds » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:02 am

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nedleeds wrote:Just shook hands with Mark Cuban at a health care conference. Thanked him for exposing our front office as total amateurs, he laughed.

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KP did not want to be here- no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack...

And for the 100th time...in order to execute a "trade in the nba". There are several considerations
that have to be addressed... In other words, Dallas was one of the "few" teams that could complete a "KP trade"...

Since you are so experienced on how to "professionally" complete a trade- name me two other teams
that could have traded for KP?

I'll wait...


Keep **** waiting then, there was no good reason to trade him when his value was zero. There was no reason to salary dump when nobody was coming.

Who gives a **** if he didn't want to be here? If we had an actual owner, and an actual front office we'd have taken control of the situation. This isn't KAwhi. His option was play it out on the QO coming off an ACL, or take Dolan's max offer.

What is so hard to understand about leverage? It's not about his nut sack, it's about having a competent FO that has control of the assets. We don't have one. We got strong armed by the track suit mafia and lost a 22 year old star for a salary dump some crappy picks and a turd PG.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#464 » by Context » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:44 am

nedleeds wrote:
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nedleeds wrote:Just shook hands with Mark Cuban at a health care conference. Thanked him for exposing our front office as total amateurs, he laughed.

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KP did not want to be here- no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack...

And for the 100th time...in order to execute a "trade in the nba". There are several considerations
that have to be addressed... In other words, Dallas was one of the "few" teams that could complete a "KP trade"...

Since you are so experienced on how to "professionally" complete a trade- name me two other teams
that could have traded for KP?

I'll wait...


Keep **** waiting then, there was no good reason to trade him when his value was zero. There was no reason to salary dump when nobody was coming.

Who gives a **** if he didn't want to be here? If we had an actual owner, and an actual front office we'd have taken control of the situation. This isn't KAwhi. His option was play it out on the QO coming off an ACL, or take Dolan's max offer.

What is so hard to understand about leverage? It's not about his nut sack, it's about having a competent FO that has control of the assets. We don't have one. We got strong armed by the track suit mafia and lost a 22 year old star for a salary dump some crappy picks and a turd PG.

you clearly know nothing about "leverage" or "value" "extraction"...And watch your tone and the cursing- its weak on the internet...
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#465 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:58 am

nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Oscirus wrote:Cant defend the perimeter, cant play a whole season, cant go inside, can't rebound but sure continue over-rating him because hes really good at shooting threes, mel kipper.


He's actually not very good at shooting threes. For a 7'3" guy he is, but that's it. 36% career average so far.

And he definitely can't rebound for **** or play a whole season without wearing down and then breaking.


How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.

Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#466 » by AndriPerdhian93 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:26 am

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nedleeds wrote:
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He's actually not very good at shooting threes. For a 7'3" guy he is, but that's it. 36% career average so far.

And he definitely can't rebound for **** or play a whole season without wearing down and then breaking.


How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.

Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#467 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:35 am

BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
He's actually not very good at shooting threes. For a 7'3" guy he is, but that's it. 36% career average so far.

And he definitely can't rebound for **** or play a whole season without wearing down and then breaking.


How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.

Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.


Is his mom on KP's nuts too?
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#468 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:35 am

AndriPerdhian93 wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.

Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Good. Go root for the Mavs. Who gives a sh*t.
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Post#469 » by AndriPerdhian93 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 am

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AndriPerdhian93 wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Good. Go root for the Mavs. Who gives a sh*t.

Nah you do.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#470 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 am

AndriPerdhian93 wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
How is DSJs 3 point shooting and health? Asking for my mom.

Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Nobody is saying Porzingis isn't better than Randle or Portis or Smith. I'm saying he has issues and I'm glad he's not signed to a major contract here. If they signed R, P or S long term I'd be mad too. If you lock up $30 mill in cap long term and it goes south you are freaking done.

Jesus H. why do people have such a hard time understanding Porzingis has some big red flags, as talented as he is. One of the red flags being he's not the shooter as has been advertised. He sucks at rebounding. He has anemia which is going to be a life long problem and his tiredness from that leads to injuries later in the season. He's also a diva who's defied management and went out of his way to embarrass a coach. Yeah, **** that guy. Stop pining for your lost love the sex was never that good anyway.
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Post#471 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:40 am

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AndriPerdhian93 wrote:Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Good. Go root for the Mavs. Who gives a sh*t.

Nah you do.


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Post#472 » by AndriPerdhian93 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:53 am

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Good. Go root for the Mavs. Who gives a sh*t.

Nah you do.


Awesome comeback.

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Post#473 » by nedleeds » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:56 am

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KP did not want to be here- no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack...

And for the 100th time...in order to execute a "trade in the nba". There are several considerations
that have to be addressed... In other words, Dallas was one of the "few" teams that could complete a "KP trade"...

Since you are so experienced on how to "professionally" complete a trade- name me two other teams
that could have traded for KP?

I'll wait...


Keep **** waiting then, there was no good reason to trade him when his value was zero. There was no reason to salary dump when nobody was coming.

Who gives a **** if he didn't want to be here? If we had an actual owner, and an actual front office we'd have taken control of the situation. This isn't KAwhi. His option was play it out on the QO coming off an ACL, or take Dolan's max offer.

What is so hard to understand about leverage? It's not about his nut sack, it's about having a competent FO that has control of the assets. We don't have one. We got strong armed by the track suit mafia and lost a 22 year old star for a salary dump some crappy picks and a turd PG.

you clearly know nothing about "leverage" or "value" "extraction"...And watch your tone and the cursing- its weak on the internet...


You clearly don't know anything about value since you are defending a trade in which the Knicks got none. My tone? "no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack..." GTFO.
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Post#474 » by AndriPerdhian93 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:59 am

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AndriPerdhian93 wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Nobody is saying Porzingis isn't better than Randle or Portis or Smith. I'm saying he has issues and I'm glad he's not signed to a major contract here. If they signed R, P or S long term I'd be mad too. If you lock up $30 mill in cap long term and it goes south you are freaking done.

Jesus H. why do people have such a hard time understanding Porzingis has some big red flags, as talented as he is. One of the red flags being he's not the shooter as has been advertised. He sucks at rebounding. He has anemia which is going to be a life long problem and his tiredness from that leads to injuries later in the season. He's also a diva who's defied management and went out of his way to embarrass a coach. Yeah, **** that guy. Stop pining for your lost love the sex was never that good anyway.

Nah I don't care about porzingis actually, but some off our fans keep on bashing him for no reason, and yeah porzingis has a redflag so is embiid, sixers gamble on him and we didn't (that's good actually) but justifying our inept management about the packets we received from porzingis trade and our superb 2019 free agency is just to much.
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Post#475 » by Context » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:03 am

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Keep **** waiting then, there was no good reason to trade him when his value was zero. There was no reason to salary dump when nobody was coming.

Who gives a **** if he didn't want to be here? If we had an actual owner, and an actual front office we'd have taken control of the situation. This isn't KAwhi. His option was play it out on the QO coming off an ACL, or take Dolan's max offer.

What is so hard to understand about leverage? It's not about his nut sack, it's about having a competent FO that has control of the assets. We don't have one. We got strong armed by the track suit mafia and lost a 22 year old star for a salary dump some crappy picks and a turd PG.

you clearly know nothing about "leverage" or "value" "extraction"...And watch your tone and the cursing- its weak on the internet...


You clearly don't know anything about value since you are defending a trade in which the Knicks got none. My tone? "no need for the Knick Front office to be on his nut sack..." GTFO.

what? you the knick front office? boooooring!- If you want I can PM you what I think about you as a KP supporter- and Knick front office hater? Just let me know :roll:
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Post#476 » by nedleeds » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:09 am

BallSacBounce wrote:
AndriPerdhian93 wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Tell your mom Porzingis makes $30 million a year and has four more years on his contract.

Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Nobody is saying Porzingis isn't better than Randle or Portis or Smith. I'm saying he has issues and I'm glad he's not signed to a major contract here. If they signed R, P or S long term I'd be mad too. If you lock up $30 mill in cap long term and it goes south you are freaking done.

Jesus H. why do people have such a hard time understanding Porzingis has some big red flags, as talented as he is. One of the red flags being he's not the shooter as has been advertised. He sucks at rebounding. He has anemia which is going to be a life long problem and his tiredness from that leads to injuries later in the season. He's also a diva who's defied management and went out of his way to embarrass a coach. Yeah, **** that guy. Stop pining for your lost love the sex was never that good anyway.


Nobody is saying the Knicks had to sign him to $30 million. But making the trade for nothing when they could just wait and see if they could get something made all the sense in the world. BUT they took it up the poop highway on the trade because they were day dreaming about KD and Kyrie. They got taken for fools for starphucking.

1) KP wasn't going to play last year, he, the Knicks and the Mavs were all aligned on that.

2) KP was signing a deal no matter what, it could have been a sign and trade at end of season ala Brogdon.

3) At that point they'd know we weren't getting Zion.

4) At that point it'd be clear KD was cooked (though those morons would still probably have blown their loads over signing a to be 32 year old with the worst injury in basketball). Even better that neither of the stars they'd been jerking it over were coming.

5) Nobody was coming ever. Especially after no Zion and no 22 year old All-Star top 3 rim protector.

So nothing changes except you have more information to make a decision on. But again this front office is run by fools, amateurs and people whose resumes are just pure failure. This is business decision making 101, make the decision when you have the most information if all other things are equal.

The Mavs would make the same trade, they'd take on KPs max deal or upon seeing DSJ is trash or injury riddled and that nobody was coming in free agency you just keep the asset longer. Maybe you flip KP for a high draft pick to a team like Atlanta instead of the trash we got from the Mavs.
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Post#477 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:40 am

nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
AndriPerdhian93 wrote:Nah I rather give that money to porzingis than someone like randle or portis, and for porzingis issue about hot at the start off the season and cold later on, we all know that porzingis has anemia and our beloved gm not only didn't give him any help and let alone load management him,and that show us how inept our management is, we run porzingis to the ground, asking someone with anemia to do everything on offence and at the same time asking him to play dpoy level defence every night is like asking someone to digging they on grave.


Nobody is saying Porzingis isn't better than Randle or Portis or Smith. I'm saying he has issues and I'm glad he's not signed to a major contract here. If they signed R, P or S long term I'd be mad too. If you lock up $30 mill in cap long term and it goes south you are freaking done.

Jesus H. why do people have such a hard time understanding Porzingis has some big red flags, as talented as he is. One of the red flags being he's not the shooter as has been advertised. He sucks at rebounding. He has anemia which is going to be a life long problem and his tiredness from that leads to injuries later in the season. He's also a diva who's defied management and went out of his way to embarrass a coach. Yeah, **** that guy. Stop pining for your lost love the sex was never that good anyway.


Nobody is saying the Knicks had to sign him to $30 million. But making the trade for nothing when they could just wait and see if they could get something made all the sense in the world. BUT they took it up the poop highway on the trade because they were day dreaming about KD and Kyrie. They got taken for fools for starphucking.

1) KP wasn't going to play last year, he, the Knicks and the Mavs were all aligned on that.

2) KP was signing a deal no matter what, it could have been a sign and trade at end of season ala Brogdon.

3) At that point they'd know we weren't getting Zion.

4) At that point it'd be clear KD was cooked (though those morons would still probably have blown their loads over signing a to be 32 year old with the worst injury in basketball). Even better that neither of the stars they'd been jerking it over were coming.

5) Nobody was coming ever. Especially after no Zion and no 22 year old All-Star top 3 rim protector.

So nothing changes except you have more information to make a decision on. But again this front office is run by fools, amateurs and people whose resumes are just pure failure. This is business decision making 101, make the decision when you have the most information if all other things are equal.

The Mavs would make the same trade, they'd take on KPs max deal or upon seeing DSJ is trash or injury riddled and that nobody was coming in free agency you just keep the asset longer. Maybe you flip KP for a high draft pick to a team like Atlanta instead of the trash we got from the Mavs.

They were shopping him for months. That's an important part you're leaving out.
So there's no reason to assume they didn't get the best they could at the time and yet you are saying they rushed into it and left value on the table. They absolutely didn't do that.

If they wait maybe KP becomes a problem then they get less. Or maybe other teams decide to lower their offer because of perceived pressure. Also if they wait till he's practicing again and he doesn't look the same they lose value.
So there is a cost to waiting that you are completely discounting to nothing and that is not fair to Perry.
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Post#478 » by nedleeds » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:47 am

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nedleeds wrote:
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Nobody is saying Porzingis isn't better than Randle or Portis or Smith. I'm saying he has issues and I'm glad he's not signed to a major contract here. If they signed R, P or S long term I'd be mad too. If you lock up $30 mill in cap long term and it goes south you are freaking done.

Jesus H. why do people have such a hard time understanding Porzingis has some big red flags, as talented as he is. One of the red flags being he's not the shooter as has been advertised. He sucks at rebounding. He has anemia which is going to be a life long problem and his tiredness from that leads to injuries later in the season. He's also a diva who's defied management and went out of his way to embarrass a coach. Yeah, **** that guy. Stop pining for your lost love the sex was never that good anyway.


Nobody is saying the Knicks had to sign him to $30 million. But making the trade for nothing when they could just wait and see if they could get something made all the sense in the world. BUT they took it up the poop highway on the trade because they were day dreaming about KD and Kyrie. They got taken for fools for starphucking.

1) KP wasn't going to play last year, he, the Knicks and the Mavs were all aligned on that.

2) KP was signing a deal no matter what, it could have been a sign and trade at end of season ala Brogdon.

3) At that point they'd know we weren't getting Zion.

4) At that point it'd be clear KD was cooked (though those morons would still probably have blown their loads over signing a to be 32 year old with the worst injury in basketball). Even better that neither of the stars they'd been jerking it over were coming.

5) Nobody was coming ever. Especially after no Zion and no 22 year old All-Star top 3 rim protector.

So nothing changes except you have more information to make a decision on. But again this front office is run by fools, amateurs and people whose resumes are just pure failure. This is business decision making 101, make the decision when you have the most information if all other things are equal.

The Mavs would make the same trade, they'd take on KPs max deal or upon seeing DSJ is trash or injury riddled and that nobody was coming in free agency you just keep the asset longer. Maybe you flip KP for a high draft pick to a team like Atlanta instead of the trash we got from the Mavs.

They were shopping him for months. That's an important part you're leaving out.
So there's no reason to assume they didn't get the best they could at the time and yet you are saying they rushed into it and left value on the table. They absolutely didn't do that.

If they wait maybe KP becomes a problem then they get less. Or maybe other teams decide to lower their offer because of perceived pressure. Also if they wait till he's practicing again and he doesn't look the same they lose value.
So there is a cost to waiting that you are completely discounting to nothing and that is not fair to Perry.


No this isn't true at all. It can't be, because the Mavericks didn't play him and were tanking. The very same offer would have been there from the Mavs after the draft. They did it to star phuck. Not because they have some master plan. Becomes a problem is code for a front office that can't handle NBA players and their egos -- that's on them not the 22 year old whose rights you control. If they can't handle him how can they ever handle an actual free agent veteran?

They got nothing. What more value was left to lose? His value could only go up by paying him and playing him. Or in an absolutely unprecedented move in the history of the league he plays on the qualifying offer. But again you don't have to offer that until the July moratorium. So they had absolutely nothing to lose by waiting. Everything that ended up happening just proves my point. No Zion. Nobody wanted to come and play for this dumpster hee haw front office and Dallas tanked.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#479 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:54 am

nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Nobody is saying the Knicks had to sign him to $30 million. But making the trade for nothing when they could just wait and see if they could get something made all the sense in the world. BUT they took it up the poop highway on the trade because they were day dreaming about KD and Kyrie. They got taken for fools for starphucking.

1) KP wasn't going to play last year, he, the Knicks and the Mavs were all aligned on that.

2) KP was signing a deal no matter what, it could have been a sign and trade at end of season ala Brogdon.

3) At that point they'd know we weren't getting Zion.

4) At that point it'd be clear KD was cooked (though those morons would still probably have blown their loads over signing a to be 32 year old with the worst injury in basketball). Even better that neither of the stars they'd been jerking it over were coming.

5) Nobody was coming ever. Especially after no Zion and no 22 year old All-Star top 3 rim protector.

So nothing changes except you have more information to make a decision on. But again this front office is run by fools, amateurs and people whose resumes are just pure failure. This is business decision making 101, make the decision when you have the most information if all other things are equal.

The Mavs would make the same trade, they'd take on KPs max deal or upon seeing DSJ is trash or injury riddled and that nobody was coming in free agency you just keep the asset longer. Maybe you flip KP for a high draft pick to a team like Atlanta instead of the trash we got from the Mavs.

They were shopping him for months. That's an important part you're leaving out.
So there's no reason to assume they didn't get the best they could at the time and yet you are saying they rushed into it and left value on the table. They absolutely didn't do that.

If they wait maybe KP becomes a problem then they get less. Or maybe other teams decide to lower their offer because of perceived pressure. Also if they wait till he's practicing again and he doesn't look the same they lose value.
So there is a cost to waiting that you are completely discounting to nothing and that is not fair to Perry.


No this isn't true at all. It can't be, because the Mavericks didn't play him and were tanking. The very same offer would have been there from the Mavs after the draft. They did it to star phuck. Not because they have some master plan. Becomes a problem is code for a front office that can't handle NBA players and their egos -- that's on them not the 22 year old whose rights you control. If they can't handle him how can they ever handle an actual free agent veteran?

They got nothing. What more value was left to lose? His value could only go up by paying him and playing him. Or in an absolutely unprecedented move in the history of the league he plays on the qualifying offer. But again you don't have to offer that until the July moratorium. So they had absolutely nothing to lose by waiting. Everything that ended up happening just proves my point. No Zion. Nobody wanted to come and play for this dumpster hee haw front office and Dallas tanked.


If he became a problem then the value goes down. Guaranteed. He's already proven himself to be one with missing an end of year interview, showing up a coach and waltzing in and demanding **** that got him traded. You just choose not to see it.

The only way his value goes UP is if he plays and all looks good, which as you pointed out was never going to happen.

So the only possible movement was downward. There was something to lose by waiting and nothing at all to be gained.
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Re: KP's A Maverick And I Spoke It Into Existence 

Post#480 » by nedleeds » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:01 am

BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:They were shopping him for months. That's an important part you're leaving out.
So there's no reason to assume they didn't get the best they could at the time and yet you are saying they rushed into it and left value on the table. They absolutely didn't do that.

If they wait maybe KP becomes a problem then they get less. Or maybe other teams decide to lower their offer because of perceived pressure. Also if they wait till he's practicing again and he doesn't look the same they lose value.
So there is a cost to waiting that you are completely discounting to nothing and that is not fair to Perry.


No this isn't true at all. It can't be, because the Mavericks didn't play him and were tanking. The very same offer would have been there from the Mavs after the draft. They did it to star phuck. Not because they have some master plan. Becomes a problem is code for a front office that can't handle NBA players and their egos -- that's on them not the 22 year old whose rights you control. If they can't handle him how can they ever handle an actual free agent veteran?

They got nothing. What more value was left to lose? His value could only go up by paying him and playing him. Or in an absolutely unprecedented move in the history of the league he plays on the qualifying offer. But again you don't have to offer that until the July moratorium. So they had absolutely nothing to lose by waiting. Everything that ended up happening just proves my point. No Zion. Nobody wanted to come and play for this dumpster hee haw front office and Dallas tanked.


If he became a problem then the value goes down. Guaranteed. He's already proven himself to be one with missing an end of year interview, showing up a coach and waltzing in and demanding **** that got him traded. You just choose not to see it.

The only way his value goes UP is if he plays and all looks good, which as you pointed out was never going to happen.

So the only possible movement was downward. There was something to lose by waiting and nothing at all to be gained.


You are lost man. The thing to be gained was information. Our draft position, the Hawks draft position, the free agent status of all the stars Perry and Mills were drooling on themselves to fellate. KPs value wasn't going down because of missed meetings with a fired clown GM 2 years ago, or demanding a trade from the worst run team in the league that was all known information.
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