post game - that sucked

[stuporman]

They unveiled a statue in NY in honor of RJ's last shot..... it's what every Knicks fan looked like after it.

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[cgf]

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

Me neither as I think both will get longer offers, but I didn't wanna be obstinant & tried to answer the question assuming that hypothetical did present itself to us.

[god shammgod]

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

[Knicksfan1992]

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

It's not Coach Carter fantasy. That play was fine. It was just poorly executed. Thibs over relies on one on one creation and one on one rim protection throughout the game.

But in a game decided by 6 points or fewer that's on coaching. 10 points or more is on the players. 7-9 you just lost.

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Is it over-reliance or him coaching to the personnel he's given? I'm leaning towards the latter as I think any reasonable person would suggest because blaming this game on Thibs is pure madness to me lol. The only thing you can really ding him for is Payton which I don't feel like beating a dead horse about...

[god shammgod]

i just watched the end of regulation and rj not boxing out matthews was worse than the shot in ot. yeah, blame him. lol

[cgf]

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

How much do Pandemic P and Kawhi get in each other's way?

Only a little, but Pandemic P & Kawhi aren't also playing off of Julius. If they did have some bigger star that both had to play off of, they would get in each other's way quite a bit more.

Plus neither George nor Kawhi is still developing, and both are much bigger threats from outside than Demar.

[Zenzibar]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

Hold out for:

i don’t see the Knicks waiting another year for him

I think as part of the 5 year plan to compete in the Finals, they'll wait. There's still alot of work to do with the salary cap this year, incorporating Luca if he's as good as advertised and Mitch, IQ and RJ's development.

Getting to the playoffs was a bonus this year, a possible second round entry a HUGE surprise and perhaps a year 2 goal.
Derozan is not the guy you want to tie up your cap with, you know better.

[god shammgod]

rj can wait 2 years and show he deserves more than being in the corner

[3toheadmelo]

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

Lowry is going to Philly or Miami. if he goes to Miami, we might be able to get Kendrick Nunn off them. would you go after him? i wouldn’t mind him

[cgf]

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

...thus why I suggest Lonzo or Schröder instead

[GONYK]

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

It's not Coach Carter fantasy. That play was fine. It was just poorly executed. Thibs over relies on one on one creation and one on one rim protection throughout the game.

But in a game decided by 6 points or fewer that's on coaching. 10 points or more is on the players. 7-9 you just lost.

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Is it over-reliance or him coaching to the personnel he's given? I'm leaning towards the latter as I think any reasonable person would suggest because blaming this game on Thibs is pure madness to me lol. The only thing you can really ding him for is Payton which I don't feel like beating a dead horse about...

I'm not blaming Thibs for the loss. I'm blaming Thibs for not being less predictable.

There are a lot of issues that led to the loss, with rebounding being the main one. We're light in the pants up front.

[god shammgod]

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

Lowry is going to Philly or Miami. if he goes to Miami, we might be able to get Kendrick Nunn off them. would you go after him? i wouldn’t mind him

they still might match. lowry only has so long before it's over.

[Knicksfan1992]

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

Lowry is going to Philly or Miami. if he goes to Miami, we might be able to get Kendrick Nunn off them. would you go after him? i wouldn’t mind him

Depends though. Are they willing to pay over 30 million? I doubt it. If the Knick want Lowry they can bowl him over with money way more than any other team can unless they want to gut their roster in a sign and trade

[cgf]

Hold out for:

i don’t see the Knicks waiting another year for him

I think as part of the 5 year plan to compete in the Finals, they'll wait. There's still alot of work to do with the salary cap this year, incorporating Luca if he's as good as advertised and Mitch, IQ and RJ's development.

Getting to the playoffs was a bonus this year, a possible second round entry a HUGE surprise and perhaps a year 2 goal.
Derozan is not the guy you want to tie up your cap with, you know better.

I wouldn't be banking on anything from Luca until he shows he can (at least) fill Burks' shoes.

[Zenzibar]

People need to realize that the Lakers intentionally gameplanned to shut down RJ & Bullock. This effectively resulted in the Knicks playing 1v5 on offense with the starting lineup and 2v5 when Elf sat. That's really what it boiled down to.

And yes - Randle's carried us this season. But he's not just a walking bucket like Dame Lillard who can get his own easily. The Lakers gameplanned against him and adjusted in the 2nd half and OT. Those turnovers he had were the result of tight defense because no one else was even remotely open.

Again - this all boils down to a lack of talent in most regards, especially having THAT guy who can easily get his own when need be. The Knicks remarkably did well keeping AD at bay... just took a huge THT 3 and Wes putback to kill us.

Exactly. The Lakers are #1 in defense for a reason. Look at the final score 101-99 unheard of for an overtime game in this era of 3pt offensive focus.

Both teams are defensively legit.

[thebuzzardman]

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

Lowry is going to Philly or Miami. if he goes to Miami, we might be able to get Kendrick Nunn off them. would you go after him? i wouldn’t mind him

they still might match. lowry only has so long before it's over.

Over looked like happened this season, for Lowry

[makeitstop]

RJ gonna have to work much harder at sucking to catch up to the gold, silver and bronze bust medalists of Knox, Frank and Obi.

Obi's been improving, though. He used to look completely lost out there, but he seems to have found a role lately.

Still commits boneheaded fouls every so often, but he can work on that.

[nedleeds]

Fake covid season reality show continues. Payton with the -8 in 13 minutes, clutching the pics of Leon Rose in a Thai brothel. We're a Trae sprained ankle, Giannis day off and 3 protocol violations from the 10th seed.

Don't understand the last sentence?

There have been so many crazy circumstances, and games lost by opponents early when we had no covid absences at the start of the year. We hit a bunch of teams who just didn't play their players (Bucks), Trae sprains his ankle and we come back to win a key head to head. So much opponents bad shooting luck this year. I think we're a very fake 4-5 seed. Now the injury luck isn't going our way with Mitch, now Quickly and Burks. In a normal 82 game season assuming Randle and RJs progress was the same I think we'd be lucky to be an 8th seed in the East.

[nedleeds]

the only way lowry comes is if he decides he wants to play with derozan again

Lowry is going to Philly or Miami. if he goes to Miami, we might be able to get Kendrick Nunn off them. would you go after him? i wouldn’t mind him

Depends though. Are they willing to pay over 30 million? I doubt it. If the Knick want Lowry they can bowl him over with money way more than any other team can unless they want to gut their roster in a sign and trade

They can bowl him over with a buffet he's fat as **** this season.

[thebuzzardman]

RJ gonna have to work much harder at sucking to catch up to the gold, silver and bronze bust medalists of Knox, Frank and Obi.

Obi's been improving, though. He used to look completely lost out there, but he seems to have found a role lately.

Still commits boneheaded fouls every so often, but he can work on that.

That's why he's only a bronze medalist!