2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[G_K_F]

Not only would LaVine not be a good fit, wouldn't it be pretty difficult for the Knicks to put a trade together that doesn't include Randle or RJ?

Sure, the haters of either player might be into it, but the Knicks don't have a PF other than Randle, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls aren't including Williams just for fun, and while LaVine is a more prolific scorer than RJ, is it really worth it combined with his fairly ball dominant ways and less than stellar defense?

I think OKC is about to dump Poku. Could be the ideal backup to the Ju-Mitch FC. Thoughts?

If OKC is dumping him then he sucks.

[Knicksfan1992]

LeVine wasn't producing wins in Chicago, despite all the help they brought in for him.

At the right price, sure, you consider it - but the right price is basically a salary dump (and besides Fournier, I don't even know how we possibly match up).

I think he's one of those players who needs specific teammates around him for his production to be impactful, i.e., another ball-handler who can defend to compensate for his lack of playmaking and defense.

No time for Chanel to go full Chanel with the google but weren't Chicago good with him and Lonzo in the backcourt?

Players in that mold - the Lonzos, the Jrues, the Lowrys - don't exactly grow on trees though, which makes it challenging to build with Lavine. Brunson obviously doesn't fit the archetype so the fit isn't there.

I think moving Randle for Lavine makes the most sense if we're targeting him. Move RJ to the 4 with the starters and keeps Grimes defense with the starting unit. It makes us smaller, but probably a bit more dynamic offensively and will naturally speed our offense up which helps cover up some other deficiencies. I'd probably structure the deal in a way where you can get Caruso back too to fill the gaps.

Randle
IQ
Fournier

for

Caruso
Lavine

Have to figure out picks that go back and forth. Knicks would have all the hardworking scrappers they could possibly have around a Brunson and Lavine backcourt. Bench unit would be super fun and fast paced with enough shooting to get by. Maybe you can work something to get Patrick Williams back as a forward option too? I just think Lavine has the underlying numbers that suggest there is possibly something more there than just a volume scoring chucker. You mentioned Ball as a key to unlocking him, but I do think it goes under discussed that basically the best point guards this guy has played with in his career are Rubio and Lonzo. That's just not a recipe for success for a guy like Lavine. Brunson would be a massive upgrade over anything he's ever played with. It's kind of similar how everyone looked at Devin Booker as a bad team chucker before they got Chris Paul in there. Now Booker has established some things that Lavine never really developed namely defense and an ability to play PG in spurts, but I still think there's some untapped impact there for Lavine.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Jesus

[sol537]

LeVine wasn't producing wins in Chicago, despite all the help they brought in for him.

At the right price, sure, you consider it - but the right price is basically a salary dump (and besides Fournier, I don't even know how we possibly match up).

I think he's one of those players who needs specific teammates around him for his production to be impactful, i.e., another ball-handler who can defend to compensate for his lack of playmaking and defense.

No time for Chanel to go full Chanel with the google but weren't Chicago good with him and Lonzo in the backcourt?

Players in that mold - the Lonzos, the Jrues, the Lowrys - don't exactly grow on trees though, which makes it challenging to build with Lavine. Brunson obviously doesn't fit the archetype so the fit isn't there.

I think moving Randle for Lavine makes the most sense if we're targeting him. Move RJ to the 4 with the starters and keeps Grimes defense with the starting unit. It makes us smaller, but probably a bit more dynamic offensively and will naturally speed our offense up which helps cover up some other deficiencies. I'd probably structure the deal in a way where you can get Caruso back too to fill the gaps.

Randle
IQ
Fournier

for

Caruso
Lavine

Have to figure out picks that go back and forth. Knicks would have all the hardworking scrappers they could possibly have around a Brunson and Lavine backcourt. Bench unit would be super fun and fast paced with enough shooting to get by. Maybe you can work something to get Patrick Williams back as a forward option too? I just think Lavine has the underlying numbers that suggest there is possibly something more there than just a volume scoring chucker. You mentioned Ball as a key to unlocking him, but I do think it goes under discussed that basically the best point guards this guy has played with in his career are Rubio and Lonzo. That's just not a recipe for success for a guy like Lavine. Brunson would be a massive upgrade over anything he's ever played with. It's kind of similar how everyone looked at Devin Booker as a bad team chucker before they got Chris Paul in there. Now Booker has established some things that Lavine never really developed namely defense and an ability to play PG in spurts, but I still think there's some untapped impact there for Lavine.

Randle, IQ, Hart (or DDV), Fournier

for

Lavine, Caruso, Williams

It's a lateral move, at best. Could be a longer term chess move to use Lavine and picks for Spida later, but Lavine would have to rehab his value which is risky.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Not only would LaVine not be a good fit, wouldn't it be pretty difficult for the Knicks to put a trade together that doesn't include Randle or RJ?

Sure, the haters of either player might be into it, but the Knicks don't have a PF other than Randle, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls aren't including Williams just for fun, and while LaVine is a more prolific scorer than RJ, is it really worth it combined with his fairly ball dominant ways and less than stellar defense?

I think OKC is about to dump Poku. Could be the ideal backup to the Ju-Mitch FC. Thoughts?

Worth a flier

Ok, so I agree that seems like a semi-troll-y idea. And I had had 1 glass of wine before I posted. However, I think there is some merit in this.

OKC now has Chet who is an all-around better version of Poku, so Poku has no playing time there and I think they will dump him for some minimal assets.

Nevertheless, Poku wasn´t bad last year. Shot 36.5% from 3pt. Does being-tall rebounds, blocks some shots, mainly on weakside-help ... so has some idea of what the game is about. Ok, so still built like a match-stick and not a good interior defender (ok-ish on the perimeter against bigs) and probably not going to make the jump to being genuinely good. Certainly, not on the KP trajectory, unfortunately, which was the hope. But it could give the Knicks some relief at 4/5 where there would be an outside threat. And if playing with either Mitch or Jules one wouldn´t have to have such great concerns about him being pushed about inside.

[edit, for like, doh, I thought but didn´t post] Lavine would be a terrible trade.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

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Is there such a player of whom he speaks?
Someone we can just add to this roster, who isn't necessarily a superstar, but has the ability to propel us to a chip.

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

I like this post. OG would be really useful. And perhaps attainable.

I think the Knicks are not in bad shape, but the game against the Celtics was somewhat revealing, albeit that both teams are desperately needing FC backups.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We will see an incremental trade at the deadline. That's all. Nothing splashy at all. We have a mid team that can be fun to watch. Look to next summer for any possible needle moving trades. Nothing is happening this year. They need to balance the roster. There is no one on the market that will get us over the hump.

[thebuzzardman]

I think OKC is about to dump Poku. Could be the ideal backup to the Ju-Mitch FC. Thoughts?

Worth a flier

Ok, so I agree that seems like a semi-troll-y idea. And I had had 1 glass of wine before I posted. However, I think there is some merit in this.

OKC now has Chet who is an all-around better version of Poku, so Poku has no playing time there and I think they will dump him for some minimal assets.

Nevertheless, Poku wasn´t bad last year. Shot 36.5% from 3pt. Does being-tall rebounds, blocks some shots, mainly on weakside-help ... so has some idea of what the game is about. Ok, so still built like a match-stick and not a good interior defender (ok-ish on the perimeter against bigs) and probably not going to make the jump to being genuinely good. Certainly, not on the KP trajectory, unfortunately, which was the hope. But it could give the Knicks some relief at 4/5 where there would be an outside threat. And if playing with either Mitch or Jules one wouldn´t have to have such great concerns about him being pushed about inside.

[edit, for like, doh, I thought but didn´t post] Lavine would be a terrible trade.

So, in essence Knicks trade for Euro-Obi?

[Oscirus]

if knicks want to do reclamation projects so badly, they can get kai kones for free, jess saying

[thebuzzardman]

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Is there such a player of whom he speaks?
Someone we can just add to this roster, who isn't necessarily a superstar, but has the ability to propel us to a chip.

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

I like this post. OG would be really useful. And perhaps attainable.

I think the Knicks are not in bad shape, but the game against the Celtics was somewhat revealing, albeit that both teams are desperately needing FC backups.

Did you see my 2 trades for OG and Olynyk?

I think they'd make the Knicks legit 5th seed in the east, possibly trending to 4th, not a top 3 though.

I THINK they might be able to do those two (in the pretend world where Masai and Ainge do it) and still have assets left over for a fairly significant trade.

Two players who can function as stretch 4's, Olynyk as a backup stretch 5 and of course OG solves height at starting wing.

[thebuzzardman]

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Is there such a player of whom he speaks?
Someone we can just add to this roster, who isn't necessarily a superstar, but has the ability to propel us to a chip.

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

Hai! Quote myself! (James Brown voice)

Grimes/Foreskinier/DropTheLawsuit and 2 FRPs for OG

Caucasian swap of iShart ( and 4 million in filler) + 1 FRP for Olynyk.

Knicks still with 3 FRPs to deal for some so called star, if they ever materialize for them, which one won't.

Knicks get a stretch 5
Knicks get a true sized 3 also capable of playing the 4
Olynyk can play 5 and 4, so trading two players who only play one position (Grimes is only a 2, iShart only a 5) gives the Knicks way more lineup flexibility.

[Oscirus]

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

I like this post. OG would be really useful. And perhaps attainable.

I think the Knicks are not in bad shape, but the game against the Celtics was somewhat revealing, albeit that both teams are desperately needing FC backups.

Did you see my 2 trades for OG and Olynyk?

I think they'd make the Knicks legit 5th seed in the east, possibly trending to 4th, not a top 3 though.

I THINK they might be able to do those two (in the pretend world where Masai and Ainge do it) and still have assets left over for a fairly significant trade.

Two players who can function as stretch 4's, Olynyk as a backup stretch 5 and of course OG solves height at starting wing.

and olynyk has chemistry with his fellow Canadian so that would help

[thebuzzardman]

I like this post. OG would be really useful. And perhaps attainable.

I think the Knicks are not in bad shape, but the game against the Celtics was somewhat revealing, albeit that both teams are desperately needing FC backups.

Did you see my 2 trades for OG and Olynyk?

I think they'd make the Knicks legit 5th seed in the east, possibly trending to 4th, not a top 3 though.

I THINK they might be able to do those two (in the pretend world where Masai and Ainge do it) and still have assets left over for a fairly significant trade.

Two players who can function as stretch 4's, Olynyk as a backup stretch 5 and of course OG solves height at starting wing.

and olynyk has chemistry with his fellow Canadian so that would help

I have some concerns that Thibs would play him at C, but Olynyk is 6'11", so I think he would.

[Chanel Bomber]

LeVine wasn't producing wins in Chicago, despite all the help they brought in for him.

At the right price, sure, you consider it - but the right price is basically a salary dump (and besides Fournier, I don't even know how we possibly match up).

I think he's one of those players who needs specific teammates around him for his production to be impactful, i.e., another ball-handler who can defend to compensate for his lack of playmaking and defense.

No time for Chanel to go full Chanel with the google but weren't Chicago good with him and Lonzo in the backcourt?

Players in that mold - the Lonzos, the Jrues, the Lowrys - don't exactly grow on trees though, which makes it challenging to build with Lavine. Brunson obviously doesn't fit the archetype so the fit isn't there.

I think moving Randle for Lavine makes the most sense if we're targeting him. Move RJ to the 4 with the starters and keeps Grimes defense with the starting unit. It makes us smaller, but probably a bit more dynamic offensively and will naturally speed our offense up which helps cover up some other deficiencies. I'd probably structure the deal in a way where you can get Caruso back too to fill the gaps.

Randle
IQ
Fournier

for

Caruso
Lavine

Have to figure out picks that go back and forth. Knicks would have all the hardworking scrappers they could possibly have around a Brunson and Lavine backcourt. Bench unit would be super fun and fast paced with enough shooting to get by. Maybe you can work something to get Patrick Williams back as a forward option too? I just think Lavine has the underlying numbers that suggest there is possibly something more there than just a volume scoring chucker. You mentioned Ball as a key to unlocking him, but I do think it goes under discussed that basically the best point guards this guy has played with in his career are Rubio and Lonzo. That's just not a recipe for success for a guy like Lavine. Brunson would be a massive upgrade over anything he's ever played with. It's kind of similar how everyone looked at Devin Booker as a bad team chucker before they got Chris Paul in there. Now Booker has established some things that Lavine never really developed namely defense and an ability to play PG in spurts, but I still think there's some untapped impact there for Lavine.

I think Quickley may surpass Lavine as a two-way player within the next couple of years, not to mention the team needs his defense.

To be honest, I think the team would likely regress with that trade. I think both Randle and IQ have a higher upside when they're on their game.

Lavine's gonna be 29 in March so he might only have a few years of his athletic prime left. Once his first step and quickness are gone it might be a difficult experience watching him play on your team. I like Lavine but I thought the window was 3-4 years ago when Boylen was the Bulls' coach, long before we got Brunson. Now I don't see the fit with Brunson here, especially when projecting his career trajectory moving forward.

Could be the move for another team though. He would be great on the Clippers (instead of Harden) or Miami.

[dakomish23]

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

I like this post. OG would be really useful. And perhaps attainable.

I think the Knicks are not in bad shape, but the game against the Celtics was somewhat revealing, albeit that both teams are desperately needing FC backups.

Did you see my 2 trades for OG and Olynyk?

I think they'd make the Knicks legit 5th seed in the east, possibly trending to 4th, not a top 3 though.

I THINK they might be able to do those two (in the pretend world where Masai and Ainge do it) and still have assets left over for a fairly significant trade.

Two players who can function as stretch 4's, Olynyk as a backup stretch 5 and of course OG solves height at starting wing.

no I didn't. quote your post, por favor.

[edit] lol robot-rock. you did quote in the very next post. P)

[Jalen Bluntson]

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[ctorres]

Not only would LaVine not be a good fit, wouldn't it be pretty difficult for the Knicks to put a trade together that doesn't include Randle or RJ?

Sure, the haters of either player might be into it, but the Knicks don't have a PF other than Randle, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls aren't including Williams just for fun, and while LaVine is a more prolific scorer than RJ, is it really worth it combined with his fairly ball dominant ways and less than stellar defense?

Other than Fournier, we would probably send them Mitch and take back Drummond, making Hartenstein our new starting center.

Probably at least two guys among Quickley, Grimes, McBride, and Sims.

I doubt we would trade any of the Villanova guys like Hart, DiVincenzo, or even Arcidiacono.

Hopefully we could at least get Torrey Craig to back-up Randle.

I don't see us getting LaVine though because he is a Klutch client. Last Klutch client who played for the Knicks was Cam Reddish.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Not only would LaVine not be a good fit, wouldn't it be pretty difficult for the Knicks to put a trade together that doesn't include Randle or RJ?

Sure, the haters of either player might be into it, but the Knicks don't have a PF other than Randle, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls aren't including Williams just for fun, and while LaVine is a more prolific scorer than RJ, is it really worth it combined with his fairly ball dominant ways and less than stellar defense?

Other than Fournier, we would probably send them Mitch and take back Drummond, making Hartenstein our new starting center.

Probably at least two guys among Quickley, Grimes, McBride, and Sims.

I doubt we would trade any of the Villanova guys like Hart, DiVincenzo, or even Arcidiacono.

Hopefully we could at least get Torrey Craig to back-up Randle.

I don't see us getting LaVine though because he is a Klutch client. Last Klutch client who played for the Knicks was Cam Reddish.

This all seem nuts to me. (not hitting on you specifically ctorres)

Mitch is a much better piece than LaVine. Isn't that clear? If he just implements the Korean-free-throw technique he's end-game playable,

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

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Is there such a player of whom he speaks?
Someone we can just add to this roster, who isn't necessarily a superstar, but has the ability to propel us to a chip.

It has to be a big wing, but the coach would still be an issue. If you're keeping this core together you upgrade the 2 spot by playing RJ there and putting a big wing like OG, Kawhi, PG etc at the 3. In the case of OG and Kawhi you'd have the size to play them at the 4 in a small ball lineups with Randle at the 5. That kind of lineup would actually be able to break the Heat zone and defend them on the other end.

You end up with more lineup versatility with a big wing.

Hai! Quote myself! (James Brown voice)

Grimes/Foreskinier/DropTheLawsuit and 2 FRPs for OG

Caucasian swap of iShart ( and 4 million in filler) + 1 FRP for Olynyk.

Knicks still with 3 FRPs to deal for some so called star, if they ever materialize for them, which one won't.

Knicks get a stretch 5
Knicks get a true sized 3 also capable of playing the 4
Olynyk can play 5 and 4, so trading two players who only play one position (Grimes is only a 2, iShart only a 5) gives the Knicks way more lineup flexibility.

That's not a terrible idea. A back-up FC with 3pt shooting seems like a ldo move. I think OG with Mitch would be great on D, I guess that's a little slim on offence, but ok. But why would Toronto make the trade?

Olynk for a FRP ... maybe they bite on that.