knicks lose....i blame mpharris who blames thibs

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The difference is actually a top 5 offensive player to ever play basketball. Squint harder.

Which superior coach has won a championship without a superstar, usually 2 or more superstars.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying there's nothing Mike Malone is doing other than being given years and years to fail. He's as innovative as a brick.

Yes. Malone is definitely not the answer for the NYK. The situation in Denver is confusing. Seems toxic between the FO and coach. I have no idea what Jokic thinks/thought about the situation. Maybe wanted to cleanse the whole stables. Who knows? Maybe Malone was "hard done by" as the Nuggets coach, given the relationships he had with the players. (Maybe not also, the relationships or lack of may have been part of the reason.) However, there's nothing to think that he could coach this Knicks squad even much better than Thibs.

[dakomish23]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

So then what are you arguing with me for ? You know Brunson ISO is the entire offense in the clutch.

[3toheadmelo]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

- kat not shooting 10 3s a game

That’s what he did in the wcf and look what happened I rather him feast down low in the block like he did last night

[GONYK]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

So then what are you arguing with me for ? You know Brunson ISO is the entire offense in the clutch.

Yes, but its really good!

[Chanel Bomber]

To intentionally foul or not to foul has been a debate since the dawn of time. Both have risk.

As I understand, there is no conclusive evidence that suggests that fouling when up 3 increases the odds of winning the game. If the data does support this, the difference is likely insignificant.

The decision really depends on personnel, and the Celtics have unsurprisingly been one of the best free-throw shooting teams in the entire NBA. And their 5-out lineup don't have a weak free throw shooter to target.

I think the response of piling on Thibs is a bit emotional in this instance. Sometimes, you just lose the game and that’s it. It’s just particularly frustrating because it’s the Celtics and we are looking to finally beat them but yesterday the basketball Gods favored them in crunch time.

One can certainly disagree with not fouling and that's fine, but to be up in arms about it is missing how games sometimes don't go your way. It's harder to accept that we have no control over those things.

[3toheadmelo]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

[Guano]

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

- kat not shooting 10 3s a game

That’s what he did in the wcf and look what happened I rather him feast down low in the block like he did last night

Florida education system has failed my boy

3 > 2

[MrDollarBills]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Not even surprised.

I mean obviously you want the ball in his hand in those moments but could we get OG some touches more during the 1st 3 qtrs?

[3toheadmelo]

- kat not shooting 10 3s a game

That’s what he did in the wcf and look what happened I rather him feast down low in the block like he did last night

Florida education system has failed my boy

3 > 2

That’s what Mike D’anphony said and it’s exactly why he never won a championship

[The KnicksFix]

To intentionally foul or not to foul has been a debate since the dawn of time. Both have risk.

As I understand, there is no conclusive evidence that suggests that fouling when up 3 increases the odds of winning the game. If the data does support this, the difference is likely insignificant.

The decision really depends on personnel, and the Celtics have unsurprisingly been one of the best free-throw shooting teams in the entire NBA. And their 5-out lineup don't have a weak free throw shooter to target.

I think the response of piling on Thibs is a bit emotional in this instance. Sometimes, you just lose the game and that’s it. It’s just particularly frustrating because it’s the Celtics and we are looking to finally beat them but yesterday the basketball Gods favored them in crunch time.

One can certainly disagree with not fouling and that's fine, but to be up in arms about it is missing how games sometimes don't go your way. It's harder to accept that we have no control over those things.

Idunno Chanel, when he made the 3, there was 3 seconds left in the game. Had he fouled. Even if Tatum made the free throws, we would still be up one with the ball

Knowing this idiot Thibs though he would have inbounded the ball to Hart

[Knicksfan1992]

Just a quick note on the foul up 3 thing. I want to be clear I support fouling up 3 before the anti Thibs brigade jumps down my throat... The positives outweigh the negatives. However, there is some logic to not fouling and letting the cards fall where they may on a Celtics scramble attempt off an inbounds.

A) The Knicks were awful last night shooting FT's. You foul the Celtics and assume they make both. Now you open yourself up to straight up losing the game if you miss your FT. Worst they can do without fouling is tie the game and allow you to get the last shot which is what happened. That's literally the worst case scenario.

B) You also open yourself up to a situation where they try to miss a FT on purpose (I still have nightmares of the Luka game where ironically Thibs did foul up 3 lol)

C) If you mistime the foul there is a slim chance you cause a shooting foul to tie the game anyway.

Yes fouling up 3 makes sense but acting as if it's some foolproof plan is disingenuous. We've seen it backfire plenty of times.

So your defense of potentially not fouling is.

A) Brunson can miss a FT? I will live with that result

B) You can sub in Mitch and your best rebounders (since we had a timeout you can get the rebound and simultaneously call TO so mitch wouldn't be fouled if he got the rebound)

C) Tatum was walking the ball up the court for 3-4 seconds...he wasn't a threat to shoot at half court so there is no fear of him shooting to draw a foul from that far out. There was no urgency to pick him up full court and then just wrap him up while he was dribbling.

All this is "odds" based you play the best odds, that is why most teams foul (only dinosaurs don't foul in that situation). Your alternative scenarios rarely and I mean rarely come back to hurt a team. The most likely one is your team also missing FT's but at that point its on your players to make FT's and if they don't I can't blame the coach for that.

To allow a clean look from there best player down 3 with under 10 seconds is criminal. Its simply bad coaching.

I get your foaming at the mouth but i'm not defending anything lol

There's rationale to not fouling. If you don't want to see it so be it. I don't really care lol

[GONYK]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

Watch on YouTube

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

They want us and any team they play to do that, because it's just math. If we're posting up 20 times, and they're taking 20 threes for every post up we have, we're going to lose.


We took 14 more shots than them, made 16 more 2 pointers than them, and we still lost because they made 19 threes

[3toheadmelo]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

Watch on YouTube

Thank you sir

[mpharris36]

Just a quick note on the foul up 3 thing. I want to be clear I support fouling up 3 before the anti Thibs brigade jumps down my throat... The positives outweigh the negatives. However, there is some logic to not fouling and letting the cards fall where they may on a Celtics scramble attempt off an inbounds.

A) The Knicks were awful last night shooting FT's. You foul the Celtics and assume they make both. Now you open yourself up to straight up losing the game if you miss your FT. Worst they can do without fouling is tie the game and allow you to get the last shot which is what happened. That's literally the worst case scenario.

B) You also open yourself up to a situation where they try to miss a FT on purpose (I still have nightmares of the Luka game where ironically Thibs did foul up 3 lol)

C) If you mistime the foul there is a slim chance you cause a shooting foul to tie the game anyway.

Yes fouling up 3 makes sense but acting as if it's some foolproof plan is disingenuous. We've seen it backfire plenty of times.

So your defense of potentially not fouling is.

A) Brunson can miss a FT? I will live with that result

B) You can sub in Mitch and your best rebounders (since we had a timeout you can get the rebound and simultaneously call TO so mitch wouldn't be fouled if he got the rebound)

C) Tatum was walking the ball up the court for 3-4 seconds...he wasn't a threat to shoot at half court so there is no fear of him shooting to draw a foul from that far out. There was no urgency to pick him up full court and then just wrap him up while he was dribbling.

All this is "odds" based you play the best odds, that is why most teams foul (only dinosaurs don't foul in that situation). Your alternative scenarios rarely and I mean rarely come back to hurt a team. The most likely one is your team also missing FT's but at that point its on your players to make FT's and if they don't I can't blame the coach for that.

To allow a clean look from there best player down 3 with under 10 seconds is criminal. Its simply bad coaching.

I get your foaming at the mouth but i'm not defending anything lol

There's rationale to not fouling. If you don't want to see it so be it. I don't really care lol

Lets say its an either or situation (which I don't believe but for the sake or argument).

How do you let Tatum get a clean look from 3? A top 5 player in the sport and you don't force the ball out of his hands. You think the opposition would let Brunson get that same look from 3 or would they have just forced the Knicks to go to Hart?

And they weren't a 5 out team at that moment...Kornet was on the court.

[3toheadmelo]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

They want us and any team they play to do that, because it's just math. If we're posting up 20 times, and they're taking 20 threes for every post up we have, we're going to lose.


We took 14 more shots than them, made 16 more 2 pointers than them, and we still lost because they made 19 threes

We lost because they have a top 5 player in the league, not because we didn’t get in a 3 point contest with them lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The one time I try to post KAT’s highlights, I can’t even find any on YouTube wtf. It was so satisfying seeing him punish the Celtics smaller players in the post

They want us and any team they play to do that, because it's just math. If we're posting up 20 times, and they're taking 20 threes for every post up we have, we're going to lose.


We took 14 more shots than them, made 16 more 2 pointers than them, and we still lost because they made 19 threes

We lost because they have a top 5 player in the league, not because we didn’t get in a 3 point contest with them lol

They were +24 from three, you don't win games when the other team hits 8 more threes than you and can defend. We're playing an old school brand of basketball vs a team playing future ball.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

- kat not shooting 10 3s a game

That’s what he did in the wcf and look what happened I rather him feast down low in the block like he did last night

Florida education system has failed my boy

3 > 2

Where we rank in attempts per game.

[Chanel Bomber]

To intentionally foul or not to foul has been a debate since the dawn of time. Both have risk.

As I understand, there is no conclusive evidence that suggests that fouling when up 3 increases the odds of winning the game. If the data does support this, the difference is likely insignificant.

The decision really depends on personnel, and the Celtics have unsurprisingly been one of the best free-throw shooting teams in the entire NBA. And their 5-out lineup don't have a weak free throw shooter to target.

I think the response of piling on Thibs is a bit emotional in this instance. Sometimes, you just lose the game and that’s it. It’s just particularly frustrating because it’s the Celtics and we are looking to finally beat them but yesterday the basketball Gods favored them in crunch time.

One can certainly disagree with not fouling and that's fine, but to be up in arms about it is missing how games sometimes don't go your way. It's harder to accept that we have no control over those things.

Idunno Chanel, when he made the 3, there was 3 seconds left in the game. Had he fouled. Even if Tatum made the free throws, we would still be up one with the ball

Knowing this idiot Thibs though he would have inbounded the ball to Hart

The foul would have occured with 10-to-6 seconds left in the clock (not 3).

And rewatching the play, there was the risk of a 4-point play starting with about 8 seconds left in the game. So it would've had to have happened earlier (with Tatum being an 81% free throw shooter).

Without a timeout by Boston, I can understand the reluctance to foul once Tatum dribbled to the middle of the floor. After that, it was quite risky to foul because he was basically facing up.

The way I see it, an incredible player made an incredible shot. I can live with that too.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Why is Brown playing at all in games that are essentially meaningless for the Celtics, who are locked into the No. 2 seed in the Eastern Conference? Last year’s NBA Finals MVP has said he’s choosing to suit up rather than rest because he knows his knee injury could linger into the playoffs and wants to hone his game to be effective amid potential physical limitations.

Regardless of Brown’s motivation, Porzingis wants him to prioritize his health.

“He’s a tough dude,” Porzingis said after scoring 34 points and hitting eight 3-pointers against the Knicks, including a go-ahead three in overtime. “He’s a tough dude. He always preaches his warrior mindset and he lives by it, but to what extent do we need that right now? Maybe he needs to take care of it and make sure he’s going to be ready for the most important moments. So I think we just have to urge him to make sure he does everything he needs to prepare, to get it healthy and to prepare for what’s going to come. And I think he’s a smart guy, so he will. It just shows his heart and how bad he wants to be out there even for games that don’t mean super much for us right now. But that’s who he is, and I appreciate him for that.”

Jayson Tatum said the Celtics are doing what they can to support Brown, who’s also battled hip, shoulder and back injuries this season.

“Just being there for him as much as you can,” Tatum said. “We’ve all been there to a certain extent. It’s tough. We work really hard on our craft and try to prepare ourselves to be at our best and it’s tough mentally when you’re out there and you maybe can’t do the things that you normally do. So it’s a mental hurdle that you have to fight, but that’s why it’s a team sport. We have teammates that have your back, cover for you and just help you get through things.”

some quotes from after the game

https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/04/09/kristaps-porzingis-questions-jaylen-brown-knee-injury/

This is not very complicated. Brown has played 63 games so far this year and needs to make it to 65 in order to be eligible for All-NBA. The Celtics have 3 games left. He'll play in two of them.

(That limit - 65 - is obviously too stringent, but whatever.)