PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[Kampuchea]

you guys are lying to yourself that the difference is playing this guy or that guy a few more minutes

we have nobody who can successfully guard pascal and nobody who can successfully guard hali. og and mikal were built for tatum and brown, not for these guys.

they're also faster and more athletic and turn us over and get out on the break and we can't keep up

and they have done a brilliant job of getting kat and jalen in mismatches and exploiting them

still, we're not a mile away. it's close. but we don't have the answers right now.

Strange to read, doesn’t fit with all of the personal attacks on players and coaches posted here.

[Guano]

You're Mr Reasonable all of a sudden

I'll get right. Im sad right now

Bro I understand, this sucks

Just hurts. We were 7 games from a chip. Bittersweet.

[Chanel Bomber]

Jalen has a 129.0 defensive rating in this series.

The Brunson lineups without Towns are bleeding points too, performing on par with the Brunson-Towns lineups defensively.

The only way forward to address this is significantly reduce Brunson's minutes, and increase McBride's playing time. Does Thibs have the agency or the confidence to make that call? I doubt it.

[god shammgod]

you guys are lying to yourself that the difference is playing this guy or that guy a few more minutes

we have nobody who can successfully guard pascal and nobody who can successfully guard hali. og and mikal were built for tatum and brown, not for these guys.

they're also faster and more athletic and turn us over and get out on the break and we can't keep up

and they have done a brilliant job of getting kat and jalen in mismatches and exploiting them

still, we're not a mile away. it's close. but we don't have the answers right now.

Strange to read, doesn’t fit with all of the personal attacks on players and coaches posted here.

to be fair, i engage in blaming specific players too

but after last night i feel sober about the whole thing now and this is just how i see it

i'll hope for a miracle but it would surprise me. they have our number.

[god shammgod]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively and defensively, it's a major problem.

[Chanel Bomber]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively or defensively, it's a major problem.

They're good offensively off talent alone but they don't make each other better. They're just two talented offensive players on the same team, generally operating in silos. They space the floor for each other I guess.

For me the big question for the offseason is do you trade Brunson for Giannis.

I'm not necessarily advocating for it. But you're not getting Giannis for KAT. And Giannis showed with Dame he's not interested in setting picks either - he wants to initiate, just like Jalen.

[Iron Mantis]

Read on Twitter

I was listening in live to this
CP is really well connected to CAA so he knows something we don’t know
Thibs time is up, now I’m conflicted
Rooting for a loss is the best long term outcome for this team…

Everyone without Thibslobber blinders knew was on thin ice most of the season...

The outcry of overplaying the starters was all throughout the media for months, former players were talking about it in public, announcers and all basketball circles talking about his refusal to use the bench, Mikal was talking about it to the media, Dolan had to come down to the locker room and tell Tom to play Huk....Knicks record vs .500 teams....and Tom now blew this gift of a series with ill-preparation and bad coaching.

After cashing in all the chips to make this roster....Leon is not going to let Tom make him look bad.

He's gone.

[robillionaire]

Jalen has a 129.0 defensive rating in this series.

The Brunson lineups without Towns are bleeding points too, performing on par with the Brunson-Towns lineups defensively.

The only way forward to address this is significantly reduce Brunson's minutes, and increase McBride's playing time. Does Thibs have the agency or the confidence to make that call? I doubt it.

I noticed the same

Unfortunately, benching Brunson for McBride while it does boost the defense is not going to win us this series either. We saw how this team performs without Brunson when he was out with the ankle injury. We are maybe a slightly above .500 team losing games to the spurs and hornets. We aren’t winning 3 games in a row having to significantly reduce Brunson’s minutes. We had a good season. What does this mean for the future? Idk

It’s too late to think this kind of gimmick is going to bail us out. I’d roll out the starters and let them have their opportunity to step up and save the season or go home, which they have earned at this point. We shouldn’t end the season with Brunson on the bench

[god shammgod]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively or defensively, it's a major problem.

They're good offensively off talent alone but they don't make each other better. They're just two talented offensive players on the same team, generally operating in silos. They space the floor for each other I guess.

For me the big question for the offseason is do you trade Brunson for Giannis.

I'm not necessarily advocating for it. But you're not getting Giannis for KAT. And Giannis showed with Dame he's not interested in setting picks either - he wants to initiate, just like Jalen.

can't see that happening. brunson is the guy here. his people run the team. you'll have to fire leon for that to happen. i don't think giannis is a realistic option anyway. the bucks need to rebuild. they have an old team and not many picks of their own. they'll want young players/picks back.

[god shammgod]

Jalen has a 129.0 defensive rating in this series.

The Brunson lineups without Towns are bleeding points too, performing on par with the Brunson-Towns lineups defensively.

The only way forward to address this is significantly reduce Brunson's minutes, and increase McBride's playing time. Does Thibs have the agency or the confidence to make that call? I doubt it.

I noticed the same

Unfortunately, benching Brunson for McBride while it does boost the defense is not going to win us this series either. We saw how this team performs without Brunson when he was out with the ankle injury. We are maybe a slightly above .500 team losing games to the spurs and hornets. We aren’t winning 3 games in a row having to significantly reduce Brunson’s minutes. We had a good season. What does this mean for the future? Idk

It’s too late to think this kind of gimmick is going to bail us out. I’d roll out the starters and let them have their opportunity to step up and save the season or go home, which they have earned at this point. We shouldn’t end the season with Brunson on the bench

yeah, most coaches go out with the guys who got them there. we live and die with brunson. we're not in this round without him.

[Iron Mantis]

Wright isn't a savior but the thing that's killing us is the point of attack. Wright does a very good job getting around screens.

Mikal gets completely picked off on one screen every single time, and hali is immediately free to run around and wreak havoc with mikal 10 feet behind the play.

If you're not going to switch then you have to find the defenders on the roster who can get around screens and put them on Hali.

[Chanel Bomber]

Jalen has a 129.0 defensive rating in this series.

The Brunson lineups without Towns are bleeding points too, performing on par with the Brunson-Towns lineups defensively.

The only way forward to address this is significantly reduce Brunson's minutes, and increase McBride's playing time. Does Thibs have the agency or the confidence to make that call? I doubt it.

I noticed the same

Unfortunately, benching Brunson for McBride while it does boost the defense is not going to win us this series either. We saw how this team performs without Brunson when he was out with the ankle injury. We are maybe a slightly above .500 team losing games to the spurs and hornets. We aren’t winning 3 games in a row having to significantly reduce Brunson’s minutes. We had a good season. What does this mean for the future? Idk

It’s too late to think this kind of gimmick is going to bail us out. I’d roll out the starters and let them have their opportunity to step up and save the season or go home, which they have earned at this point. We shouldn’t end the season with Brunson on the bench

yeah, most coaches go out with the guys who got them there. we live and die with brunson. we're not in this round without him.

That's fair and to be expected.

But then this may just be the end of the road. I'm not saying it's the end of world.

[3toheadmelo]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively and defensively, it's a major problem.

Gonna be putting up wilt chamberlain numbers soon if you know what I mean

[MrDollarBills]

It's not an either or thing. The players were poor, especially Josh and Mikal. Brunson's inexplicably bad defense and mental lapses have killed us all series. He also doesn't do a good job of making everyone else around him better. Which leads me to this:

Tom is getting his ass kicked by Carlise whose team is clearly more prepared and better coached. Our offense is garbage basketball compared to theirs. His stubbornness was on full display last night several times. I'm over it and him.

This team, roster and coaching staff, has serious issues that have capped our ceiling this season. I look forward to Leon's decision making this summer. I expect this group to be back (I don't think Giannis is getting traded for KAT) with a new voice and direction on the sidelines.

We need to fix our entire approach on both ends of the floor.

[god shammgod]

I noticed the same

Unfortunately, benching Brunson for McBride while it does boost the defense is not going to win us this series either. We saw how this team performs without Brunson when he was out with the ankle injury. We are maybe a slightly above .500 team losing games to the spurs and hornets. We aren’t winning 3 games in a row having to significantly reduce Brunson’s minutes. We had a good season. What does this mean for the future? Idk

It’s too late to think this kind of gimmick is going to bail us out. I’d roll out the starters and let them have their opportunity to step up and save the season or go home, which they have earned at this point. We shouldn’t end the season with Brunson on the bench

yeah, most coaches go out with the guys who got them there. we live and die with brunson. we're not in this round without him.

That's fair and to be expected.

But then this may just be the end of the road. I'm not saying it's the end of world.

yep. it is what it is.

[3toheadmelo]

Someone needs to stop ChaHell. Suggesting we reduce brunson’s mins significantly and then trading him

[Chanel Bomber]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively or defensively, it's a major problem.

They're good offensively off talent alone but they don't make each other better. They're just two talented offensive players on the same team, generally operating in silos. They space the floor for each other I guess.

For me the big question for the offseason is do you trade Brunson for Giannis.

I'm not necessarily advocating for it. But you're not getting Giannis for KAT. And Giannis showed with Dame he's not interested in setting picks either - he wants to initiate, just like Jalen.

can't see that happening. brunson is the guy here. his people run the team. you'll have to fire leon for that to happen. i don't think giannis is a realistic option anyway. the bucks need to rebuild. they have an old team and not many picks of their own. they'll want young players/picks back.

I know.

I'm just saying, if you want to solve the team's issues and aspire to improve towards a championship (while leveraging whatever trade value you have), then that's the move to ponder. It's a strong offer for Milwaukee, especially if they're ready to accommodate Giannis's wishes.

You can try to move KAT, OG, Mikal - you're not getting a talent upgrade in return, because they're overpaid or due for an extension.

But again, I'm just saying this is the move to explore if winning a championship is the organizational priority. The political reality probably prevents it from happening.

[god shammgod]

Someone needs to stop ChaHell. Suggesting we reduce brunson’s mins significantly and then trading him

it hasn't been a great series for him but he's our guy. he's going nowhere.

if you look at all of the playoffs and not just the last couple of games, he's still very clearly the guy who performed the best for us.

[god shammgod]

They're good offensively off talent alone but they don't make each other better. They're just two talented offensive players on the same team, generally operating in silos. They space the floor for each other I guess.

For me the big question for the offseason is do you trade Brunson for Giannis.

I'm not necessarily advocating for it. But you're not getting Giannis for KAT. And Giannis showed with Dame he's not interested in setting picks either - he wants to initiate, just like Jalen.

can't see that happening. brunson is the guy here. his people run the team. you'll have to fire leon for that to happen. i don't think giannis is a realistic option anyway. the bucks need to rebuild. they have an old team and not many picks of their own. they'll want young players/picks back.

I know.

I'm just saying, if you want to solve the team's issues and aspire to improve towards a championship (while leveraging whatever trade value you have), then that's the move to ponder. It's a strong offer for Milwaukee, especially if they're ready to accommodate Giannis's wishes.

You can try to move KAT, OG, Mikal - you're not getting a talent upgrade in return, because they're overpaid or due for an extension.

But again, I'm just saying this is the move to explore if winning a championship is the organizational priority. The political reality probably prevents it from happening.

as a thought exercise.....you would still need some kind of dynamic guard afterwards. a mcbride/mikal backcourt ? that aint gonna cut it. maybe it would if mikal wasn't this bad on offense this often. but he is.

[Kampuchea]

i expect changes. the coach seems less likely to me. but if kat and brunson aren't good together both offensively and defensively, it's a major problem.

Unless some star like Giannis puts the Knicks on his list I’m expecting the bench to be the focus. Payne replacement first.

Pacers may be our kryptonite, OG has more trouble with Pascal than any other player.