Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[SuperflyKnick]

Nobody is going to take Amar'e or Bargnani off our hands, so lets forget about dealing them. The player who we CAN move, is Chandler. I've been saying deal him since the draft last offseason, and I'm a big fan of Chandler's. He is the sole reason Amar'e/Melo hasn't worked. Our spacing has been terrible with Stat or Bargs on the court at the same time with Chandler. Both Stat/Bargs need to be the primary pick n roll/pop bigs, and Chandler's ineptitude on the offense end allows his man to play off of him.

Deal Chandler!

You can go a few different routes while shopping Chandler, but I think the best move is to send him in a deal that sheds the future salaries of JR Smith and Felton.

Proposal...

NYK Trade: Tyson Chandler - Raymond Felton - JR Smith
NYK Receive: Ramon Sessions - Josh McRoberts - Ben Gordon

CHA Trade: Ramon Sessions - Josh McRoberts - Ben Gordon
CHA Receive: Tyson Chandler - Raymond Felton - JR Smith


Why for NY? - We become much more flexible in the cap for a very talented 2015 FA Class. Yes we lose our defensive anchor, but we can finally build some chemistry on the court. Moving Tyson open's not just the spacing on the court, but actually a void in the roster that allows a young guy like Tyler, who has looked very good thus far, an opportunity to step up. Sessions is an upgrade over Felton and won't cost us a future 1st like Lowry would. McRoberts is a highly skilled big who is an excellent passer and who will quickly become Melo's best friend with his willingness to defer. Gordon is a NY kid, and I can see him helping a player out like a Tim Hardaway Jr, and contribute in brief spurts when his number is called.

Why for CHA? - They are really making some strides this year, currently 2 games ahead of the Knicks. Steve Clifford has done a tremendous job since taking over. Both Felton and Chandler have played for the organization, both bring their own type of veteran leadership and fill some needs. Chandler would most definitely help along the progression of Bismack Biyombo and even a MKG to an extent, all while helping change the culture by contributing in a playoff run. JR Smith would be an interesting piece moving back in this deal. He's been playing much better of late, maybe getting back into game shape and not worrying about his knee. He gives the Bobcats what Gordon was with Bulls, let alone what they hoped for him to be when they traded for him from Detroit.

So basically Ny gets no assets back wat so ever .... Even though I agree with basis of the trade Ny def needs to get back a asset in the form of a pick or zeller in the deal

NY - Zeller, Gordan, sessions
Cha- Tyson, Jr, Felton

[jwise44]

Would you consider or think it is possible that Houston is a good trade partner? They will likely not want to pay either Lin or Asik. They also are said to want a stretch 4. If we gave them Bargnani and Felton they save a ton next year. We get two more huge expiring 2015 contracts at only a high financial price.

It hurts them to lose Lin this season but they have other guys. Trade works with Smith too.

Plus if we trade for Asik we have a center if we move Chandler. So...that sets up another trade for maybe a pick or young player.

I still like Smith to Sac for Thornton and Jimmer.

That leaves Shumpert as the only guy we need to move for max 2015 space who we could probably send for just a pick our include in the Houston trade for a pick.

Ugly team left over depending what we get for Chandler but it is now too.

When will people stop calling bargs a stretch 4?

But no we don't want bargs or Felton and I wouldn't trade either one for that package let alone both...their balloon payment (not cap hit because it's still only 8.3 mill) doesn't hurt our owner too much and it's still in line with our 2015 plan

And isn't bargs out for the year anyways??

[damedash09]

Turner on the block, can he play pg..?

[damedash09]

With the rumors of Woodson being fired before the trade deadline. I suspect the Knicks are looking to trade for Josh Smith.

Woodson and Josh Smith don't get along. Otherwise I see no point in firing the coach.

huh? no way is Josh Smith a fit for this team. That's a bad contract detroit will have to keep

[ozwizard8]

just trade with cavs.
they suck. their chemistry is so bad.

we can get waiters/j.jack for shump+felton.

That would be effing awesome, but not sure if they would do it.

Lets make it simpler and Swap Jack with Felton/ Udrih call it a day

shumpert needed for this trade i think.

one way or other we can get some players from cavs at lower price.
they want to change roster. their assets value rapidly decreased.
they'll make some moves like wizards did couple years ago.

for cavs:
d.waiters dont get along with k.irving. so we can get him. SHUMPERT would fit more than waiters cause he dont want to get the ball. spot up shooter and good defender.
j.jack just didnt fit in cavs. they could want felton as backup. felton could contribute like mo williams in portland.
for knicks:
d.waiters would add some scoring bonus, and penetrating player to us. he can play pg sometimes too. in playoffs when we use iso melo we dont need pg like felton or sth. just tougher, better defender, taller player would be good.
j.jack is very good veteran for playoffs. he can shoot, he can play 1-2 positions.

he can arrange shooting rate of melo-jr-thjr.
melo sometimes dont know where to stop be aggrasive in shooting. j. jack can adjust him and our other scorers.

[MKCATL]

would anyone around here do a Bargs for Nash deal, would LA? both have 1 year left on deal.

[NoLayupRule]

would anyone around here do a Bargs for Nash deal, would LA? both have 1 year left on deal.

I sure would

we need a playmaker and a shot maker more than a big man on the bench

Nash may be broken down and next year may be a joke but Bargs isnt playing again this season and hes not a part of the long term plans either

[NoLayupRule]

Turner on the block, can he play pg..?

Turner cant even play SG
Hes garbage

[riter]

Turner on the block, can he play pg..?

Turner cant even play SG
Hes garbage

I have to respectfully disagree with you Nolayup.
Make no mistake about it, he's playing for a contract and he has had some lapses in,let's call it BBIQ
but
He's 25yrs old w/4yrs of nba ball
He played under an excellent coach in Doug Collins
Was a big part of a team going from crap to losing in the 2nd round to the Boston Celtics.
His improvement graph although not a smooth line up, has trended significantly upwards in 4yrs
In other words, Evan Turner may have gone from bust to legit starter.

I have a man crush on Thad Young,so I've been watching Philly games, and I'll say it, Melo/Evan Young may be significantly better than Melo/Shump.
and he doesn't mess up the 2015 plan
.

[MKCATL]

would anyone around here do a Bargs for Nash deal, would LA? both have 1 year left on deal.

I sure would

we need a playmaker and a shot maker more than a big man on the bench

Nash may be broken down and next year may be a joke but Bargs isnt playing again this season and hes not a part of the long term plans either

Seems like it could be a good deal for both teams, if LA was looking to save cap space for Love, Bargs could be a nice one year stop gap to fill in for Gasol if they chose to move him. From our standpoint almost seems like a no brainer with the way Felton has been playing. Can a split of Nash and Prigs hold down the fort, might even give Melo a small but positive outlook on 15.

[NoLayupRule]

Turner on the block, can he play pg..?

Turner cant even play SG
Hes garbage

I have to respectfully disagree with you Nolayup.
Make no mistake about it, he's playing for a contract and he has had some lapses in,let's call it BBIQ
but
He's 25yrs old w/4yrs of nba ball
He played under an excellent coach in Doug Collins
Was a big part of a team going from crap to losing in the 2nd round to the Boston Celtics.
His improvement graph although not a smooth line up, has trended significantly upwards in 4yrs
In other words, Evan Turner may have gone from bust to legit starter.

I have a man crush on Thad Young,so I've been watching Philly games, and I'll say it, Melo/Evan Young may be significantly better than Melo/Shump.
and he doesn't mess up the 2015 plan
.

He seems mentally weak to me and very very inconsistent
Hes the very poor mans version of Clay Thompson

[JSmooth93]

How do you guys feel about a Chandler/Felton/Bargs/Pick/SG package for Rondo/Humphries/Bass

Contracts probably match up, but then again why would Celtics want 30 year old players in their rebuild.

Sigh...I just want Rondo =(

Three team deal maybe?

[NoLayupRule]

How do you guys feel about a Chandler/Felton/Bargs/Pick/SG package for Rondo/Humphries/Bass

Contracts probably match up, but then again why would Celtics want 30 year old players in their rebuild.

Sigh...I just want Rondo =(

Three team deal maybe?

If we add Rondo it would be really important to keep Chandler . You need that interior / perimiter defensive duo

plus the celts would only make moves to shed salary and suck
Chandler wouldnt help unless they added Crash Wallace and Chandler wouldnt be the guy they want to add right now anyway

Id send them this, which works trade checker wise

Bass, Humphries, Wallace, Rondo
for
Amare, Bargs, Shump, MWP, Beno, Iman and a pick plus a swap if we have to

but Id much rather scale that back and keep Amare and not take on Humphris who I F'ing hate

[Grover]

Though I have generally overweighted cap space and financial flexibility, I am starting to warm to the idea of Bargnani for Smoove and it smells just like the kind of deal Dolan would make. As much as Smoove and Woodson have had their issues, Smoove knows the defensive schemes, can execute the endless switches and could be a useful piece if Melo decides to walk. If nothing else, adding Smoove to JR, Chandler and Melo, while keeping Woodson, would keep the Knicks forefront in the media. If Woodson could fit Smoove in to the offense like he did in Atlanta they could surprise and be fun to watch if they pick up the pace and refrain from Melo isolation.

[dakomish]

Shump Felton 2018 1st for Gordan Hayward

im sure we could find something else to throw in there for a rfa this season barely shooting 40% at a position we dont desperately need help

He's actually more of an all around player. They're trying to use him as a focal point instead. That's on them. Also, anyone is better than our backcourt players.

[dakomish]

Though I have generally overweighted cap space and financial flexibility, I am starting to warm to the idea of Bargnani for Smoove and it smells just like the kind of deal Dolan would make. As much as Smoove and Woodson have had their issues, Smoove knows the defensive schemes, can execute the endless switches and could be a useful piece if Melo decides to walk. If nothing else, adding Smoove to JR, Chandler and Melo, while keeping Woodson, would keep the Knicks forefront in the media. If Woodson could fit Smoove in to the offense like he did in Atlanta they could surprise and be fun to watch if they pick up the pace and refrain from Melo isolation.

A jack of all trades type of player is sorely missing from this team. His contract is horrific though. I prefer Deng.

[NoLayupRule]

since the bulls seem so dead set on not paying anyone on that team and not going into the lux tax for even Gibson's great play its really a shame we have no non-guarenteed contracts to send them

[dakomish]

Am I the only Knicks fan that loves Deng's game? That guy is an all world defender plays within any offensive scheme, and is in his prime. Cleveland is sinking and they had serious interest in Shump before. I don't think it would be just Shump and Bargs - in a seperate trade we may have to take back Jack.

[Meat]

Am I the only Knicks fan that loves Deng's game? That guy is an all world defender plays within any offensive scheme, and is in his prime. Cleveland is sinking and they had serious interest in Shump before. I don't think it would be just Shump and Bargs - in a seperate trade we may have to take back Jack.

i assure you you're not, he's only 28? he's also a free agent though, wonder what kind of money'd he'd command.

[riter]

Am I the only Knicks fan that loves Deng's game? That guy is an all world defender plays within any offensive scheme, and is in his prime. Cleveland is sinking and they had serious interest in Shump before. I don't think it would be just Shump and Bargs - in a seperate trade we may have to take back Jack.

i assure you you're not, he's only 28? he's also a free agent though, wonder what kind of money'd he'd command.

he wants 15mil/yr and he's going to get it.As good as he is, he is not a number 2. If he would of accepted less, he would still be a bull.