Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

[mpharris36]

Which is fine. But my point is that JR Smith isn't the only reason the Knicks lost last night and have been losing. 14 other guys plus the entire coaching staff are also responsible.

he may not be the only reason we are losing. But it is way more enjoyable to watch the knicks when his ass is planted on the bench.

I don't enjoy watching the team lose. And with him on the bench the team is still going to lose. There is not one person on the team that you can rely on right now to take and make that shot he took last night. And he was actually more productive than most of the other players for most of the game. So not seeing your point here. How is Jason Smith playing his role as the beggar man's Amare Stoudemire enjoyable? How is a guy who's only job and skill is to shoot going 1-8 enjoyable? How is the overall lack of effort especially at the start of the 3rd quarter (which again killed them last night) enjoyable? None of that has anything to do with JR Smith. By your definition joy would almost mean just watching Anthony and Shumpert go 2 on 5 if you want to remove the **** and slackers.

come on Moo...are you killing tim hardaway for yesterdays game? When he was planted on the bench the entire 1st half for no reason in favor of Travis freakin Wear?

Like I said before, I am not a huge fan of Tim Hardaway Jr. But singling him out after that one game.

The last 4 games he was shooting 48% from the field and 45% from 3 averaging 16.5 point per game. Those are great #'s for 22 year old kid.

Sorry if I don't care to see dumbazz playing. Tim Hardaway I dont' think is the for sure option in the future, but he does possible have a future on this team. And if we are changing the culture and talking about accountability how do you take a guy that was playing really well over the last 4 games and sit him for the whole first half. You think that is good coaching?

[mpharris36]

I agree Fish needs to find a rotation, but to completely remove all responsibility from THJ isn't right either.

He missed wide open looks. That has nothing to do with his minutes.

It also looked like his pinky on his shooting hand was bothering him.

see I disagree a little. THjr is a very rhythmic type basketball player. He isn't your Steve Novak shooter that just can go the whole game without playing and hit an open jumper when you need it.

He needs to be in the flow of the game. And I am not even a THjr fan but you know what. If he has a decent stretch who knows we could possibly send him to a contender looking for cheap scoring off the bench. Maybe get a future draft pick in return.

He better learn to be a microwave then if he's going to be that bad of a defender.

Hey I'm 100% with you but

48% from the field and 45% from 3 over the last 4 games scoring 16.5 per game

that's pretty scorching if you ask me. I'm trying to be impartial. He deserved better handling last night then what fisher did.

If he has a 1-8 you have him take a seat but they didn't even give the kid a chance to succeed last night.

[mpharris36]

But that's his job. That's his one skill (shoot). He's a bench player. Not understanding how you are excusing a bench player for not being able to do the one thing he does well, his job, if you don't play him the whole game?

THjr is shooting 40% from 3 this year

JR is shooting 26% from 3 this year

who is shooting better?

coming off the bench is a certain mindset as it is, now you are asking him to just sit the entire 1st half. And come out hot in the 2nd half after not playing?

you being a bit harsh on the kid.

[GONYK]

see I disagree a little. THjr is a very rhythmic type basketball player. He isn't your Steve Novak shooter that just can go the whole game without playing and hit an open jumper when you need it.

He needs to be in the flow of the game. And I am not even a THjr fan but you know what. If he has a decent stretch who knows we could possibly send him to a contender looking for cheap scoring off the bench. Maybe get a future draft pick in return.

He better learn to be a microwave then if he's going to be that bad of a defender.

Hey I'm 100% with you but

48% from the field and 45% from 3 over the last 4 games scoring 16.5 per game

that's pretty scorching if you ask me. I'm trying to be impartial. He deserved better handling last night then what fisher did.

If he has a 1-8 you have him take a seat but they didn't even give the kid a chance to succeed last night.

Who in their backcourt do you trust THJ to guard? Honestly, Ridnour gave him problems.

I don't care really, but you're just advocating for personal preference of who you would rather see, not really for anything that has proven to be more effective.

But if we're being completely honest with each other, it doesn't matter who we play.

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[mpharris36]

Who in their backcourt do you trust THJ to guard? Honestly, Ridnour gave him problems.

I don't care really, but you're just advocating for personal preference of who you would rather see, not really for anything that has proven to be more effective.

But if we're being completely honest with each other, it doesn't matter who we play.

Your acting like jr smith is a bruce bowen type defender. He has as many defensive lapses as anyone on the court. THjr isn't a good defender at all I agree. But you can still stick him on the worst offensive guard and try to hid him if he is shooting 40+% from deep.

It's a lot easier to hid a weak off guard then a big man like Amare/Jason Smith. Those guys are involved every play being the rim protectors.

Also I am doing two things here. I Tim Hardaway continues to shoot well and score at a high clip we could definitely move him at the deadline for a future asset if Phil would like.

22 year olds that can light it up have value, and his last name has some cache' so im sure there are a few teams that would like his cheap rookie deal and ability to score.

JR we would be lucky to get an expiring out of. I'm trying to build up our asset base as well for the future.

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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago

#Knicks say Jose Calderon, Anthony (recovery) & Prigioni (recovery) did not practice today. Andrea Bargnani's participation was limited.

it's obvious melo is injured. they've held him out of the last 2 practices now.

[GONYK]

Who in their backcourt do you trust THJ to guard? Honestly, Ridnour gave him problems.

I don't care really, but you're just advocating for personal preference of who you would rather see, not really for anything that has proven to be more effective.

But if we're being completely honest with each other, it doesn't matter who we play.

Your acting like jr smith is a bruce bowen type defender. He has as many defensive lapses as anyone on the court. THjr isn't a good defender at all I agree. But you can still stick him on the worst offensive guard and try to hid him if he is shooting 40+% from deep.

It's a lot easier to hid a weak off guard then a big man like Amare/Jason Smith. Those guys are involved every play being the rim protectors.

Also I am doing two things here. I Tim Hardaway continues to shoot well and score at a high clip we could definitely move him at the deadline for a future asset if Phil would like.

22 year olds that can light it up have value, and his last name has some cache' so im sure there are a few teams that would like his cheap rookie deal and ability to score.

JR we would be lucky to get an expiring out of. I'm trying to build up our asset base as well for the future.

Everybody is Bruce Bowen in comparison to Tim.

Tim's offensive production isn't really in question. If that's where his value to other teams is, it will remain there.

The issue is that he can't play with Amare on top of being unable to defend his position. That alone pretty much gives the nod to JR more often than not.

[HarthorneWingo]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

Then they better be road games. Try telling that to the season ticket holders.

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Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 12m12 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani said he hasn't been cleared for contact yet, and seemed to really appreciate being asked questions about his health.

[HarthorneWingo]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago

#Knicks say Jose Calderon, Anthony (recovery) & Prigioni (recovery) did not practice today. Andrea Bargnani's participation was limited.

it's obvious melo is injured. they've held him out of the last 2 practices now.

Please don't tell me it's his shoulder(s).

[GONYK]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago

#Knicks say Jose Calderon, Anthony (recovery) & Prigioni (recovery) did not practice today. Andrea Bargnani's participation was limited.

it's obvious melo is injured. they've held him out of the last 2 practices now.

Please don't tell me it's his shoulder(s).

It's something in his leg

[kane2021]

I think its his left knee thats bothering him.

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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 30m30 minutes ago

#Knicks say Jose Calderon, Anthony (recovery) & Prigioni (recovery) did not practice today. Andrea Bargnani's participation was limited.

it's obvious melo is injured. they've held him out of the last 2 practices now.

Please don't tell me it's his shoulder(s).

he hurt his ankle in the cavs game and then he stepped on lebron's foot and turned it again during the same game.

[mpharris36]

Who in their backcourt do you trust THJ to guard? Honestly, Ridnour gave him problems.

I don't care really, but you're just advocating for personal preference of who you would rather see, not really for anything that has proven to be more effective.

But if we're being completely honest with each other, it doesn't matter who we play.

Your acting like jr smith is a bruce bowen type defender. He has as many defensive lapses as anyone on the court. THjr isn't a good defender at all I agree. But you can still stick him on the worst offensive guard and try to hid him if he is shooting 40+% from deep.

It's a lot easier to hid a weak off guard then a big man like Amare/Jason Smith. Those guys are involved every play being the rim protectors.

Also I am doing two things here. I Tim Hardaway continues to shoot well and score at a high clip we could definitely move him at the deadline for a future asset if Phil would like.

22 year olds that can light it up have value, and his last name has some cache' so im sure there are a few teams that would like his cheap rookie deal and ability to score.

JR we would be lucky to get an expiring out of. I'm trying to build up our asset base as well for the future.

Everybody is Bruce Bowen in comparison to Tim.

Tim's offensive production isn't really in question. If that's where his value to other teams is, it will remain there.

The issue is that he can't play with Amare on top of being unable to defend his position. That alone pretty much gives the nod to JR more often than not.

If I'm coaching Amare would never see the floor as it is.

I don't get how you can kill THjr defense and then you want Amare to play when he is just as bad and is even in a more crucial position to be a better defender.

I can hide a weak wing defender. You really can't hide a weak big man.

[god shammgod]

Your acting like jr smith is a bruce bowen type defender. He has as many defensive lapses as anyone on the court. THjr isn't a good defender at all I agree. But you can still stick him on the worst offensive guard and try to hid him if he is shooting 40+% from deep.

It's a lot easier to hid a weak off guard then a big man like Amare/Jason Smith. Those guys are involved every play being the rim protectors.

Also I am doing two things here. I Tim Hardaway continues to shoot well and score at a high clip we could definitely move him at the deadline for a future asset if Phil would like.

22 year olds that can light it up have value, and his last name has some cache' so im sure there are a few teams that would like his cheap rookie deal and ability to score.

JR we would be lucky to get an expiring out of. I'm trying to build up our asset base as well for the future.

Everybody is Bruce Bowen in comparison to Tim.

Tim's offensive production isn't really in question. If that's where his value to other teams is, it will remain there.

The issue is that he can't play with Amare on top of being unable to defend his position. That alone pretty much gives the nod to JR more often than not.

If I'm coaching Amare would never see the floor as it is.

I don't get how you can kill THjr defense and then you want Amare to play when he is just as bad and is even in a more crucial position to be a better defender.

I can hide a weak wing defender. You really can't hide a weak big man.

you could but not at center when you have jason smith at power forward. it's the most ridiculous defensive duo ever.

[GONYK]

Your acting like jr smith is a bruce bowen type defender. He has as many defensive lapses as anyone on the court. THjr isn't a good defender at all I agree. But you can still stick him on the worst offensive guard and try to hid him if he is shooting 40+% from deep.

It's a lot easier to hid a weak off guard then a big man like Amare/Jason Smith. Those guys are involved every play being the rim protectors.

Also I am doing two things here. I Tim Hardaway continues to shoot well and score at a high clip we could definitely move him at the deadline for a future asset if Phil would like.

22 year olds that can light it up have value, and his last name has some cache' so im sure there are a few teams that would like his cheap rookie deal and ability to score.

JR we would be lucky to get an expiring out of. I'm trying to build up our asset base as well for the future.

Everybody is Bruce Bowen in comparison to Tim.

Tim's offensive production isn't really in question. If that's where his value to other teams is, it will remain there.

The issue is that he can't play with Amare on top of being unable to defend his position. That alone pretty much gives the nod to JR more often than not.

If I'm coaching Amare would never see the floor as it is.

I don't get how you can kill THjr defense and then you want Amare to play when he is just as bad and is even in a more crucial position to be a better defender.

I can hide a weak wing defender. You really can't hide a weak big man.

We don't have a better option at the backup 4/5. If I had my druthers, Amare would exclusively be a 4 and Cole would back up Dally.

We have a better option at the 2.

To be clear, I only advocate for players to play in comparison to other players at their position. I wouldn't want Amare playing if there were viable alternatives.

[earthmansurfer]

[god shammgod]

look, i don't even care what they do. just do something.

if this year is about development, you play timmy, larkin and cleathony regular minutes and live with the results. you sit melo when he's banged up. if it's about wins, you pick your best 9 and play them every game. just choose.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Wait...so you blame Smith fully but fully excuse Shumpert and Hardaway? Now imagine if the coaching staff actually did that. You guys would be screaming your heads off. And yet....

I do blame Shump and THJ, especially THJ. Shump is pretty good at knowing when to attack. THJ is worse with this than JR but he's young so he somewhat gets a pass. With JR it's clear by now he is content to be a jump-shooter.