Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

Johnny Hoops · Post #481 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:00 pm

Fischella wrote:Winslow is a stud and a better fit for this team, much vbetter than Johnson, he is a better athlete, more versatile defender and Kawhi Leonard-esque on offense.

We should trade Hardaway, Shumpert for a late 1st to be able to pick Ron Baker, Jerian Grant or Delon Wright, any of those 3 will fit right in, probably Baker or Grant could be taken with an early 2nd and they will be better fits since they have a better shooting ability than Delon.

I want solid vets in the FA and draft prospects with IQ, shooting and defensive ability.

Other than Okafor and Manny, Id take Winslow or Porzingis over anybody else for the Knicks.

I think Winslow is shooting 13% on mid-range jump shots --- you've found our next Shump. Thank you.

Post #482 » by **Manhattan Project** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:31 am

Okafor runs the floor, catches the ball, sets up and quickly spins off for the easy dunk. Nolan had no chance on this play. Brimah with three fouls quick, two horrible ones. Not much of a match up at all, much like I was expecting.

Next month we'll finally able see Okafor face a stretch of some capable big men.

Fat · Post #483 » by **Fat** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:33 am

Im pretty much sold on jahlil okafor. Still early but his back to the basket game and post moves are phenomenal for a 18 year old and his passing skills puts the icing on the cake.

Not to mention his skill set is perfect for the triangle

TheBigBoss · Post #484 » by **TheBigBoss** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:38 am

Nice pass by Ok4, he is already a better passer than Amare that's for sure.

Post #485 » by **Manhattan Project** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:40 am

One thing that's comical is that UCONN can do a good job of limiting Okafor by running a 2-3 zone. Won't be able to do that in the NBA.

:lol:

Brimah ain't ready for a big man with the talent of Okafor yet.

Fat · Post #486 » by **Fat** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:10 am

Justice winslow was ballin tonight too luv that kid

BeagleBoss · Post #487 » by **BeagleBoss** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:05 am

Loved Okafor's patience tonight. UConn doubled him and zoned all game long so Okafor didn't get too many scoring opportunities but he played the right way and passed the ball. You don't get the sense that he's the type of guy who "needs to get his". Lucky ass team who gets this kid. Like Jay Bilas says, "Okafor is worth tanking for".

Riot Randolph · Post #488 » by **Riot Randolph** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:37 am

BeagleBoss wrote:Loved Okafor's patience tonight. UConn doubled him and zoned all game long so Okafor didn't get too many scoring opportunities but he played the right way and passed the ball. You don't get the sense that he's the type of guy who "needs to get his". Lucky ass team who gets this kid. Like Jay Bilas says, "Okafor is worth tanking for".

Yeah his passing was on POINT.... PJAX is prob frothing at the idea of him manning the post...

siar617 · Post #489 » by **siar617** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:55 am

knicks85 wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Loved Okafor's patience tonight. UConn doubled him and zoned all game long so Okafor didn't get too many scoring opportunities but he played the right way and passed the ball. You don't get the sense that he's the type of guy who "needs to get his". Lucky ass team who gets this kid. Like Jay Bilas says, "Okafor is worth tanking for".

Yeah his passing was on POINT.... PJAX is prob frothing at the idea of him manning the post...

Can he defend and or rebound?

mugzi · Post #490 » by **mugzi** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:16 pm

No so he'll fit right in here.

DaGawd · Post #491 » by **DaGawd** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:43 pm

His rebounding honestly isn't all that bad. I dont have much of an issue there. Defensjve awareness could def get better but I think he will improve. He's shown he's a smart player so I have confidence he'll evolve defensively

BeagleBoss · Post #492 » by **BeagleBoss** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:34 pm

DaGawd wrote:His rebounding honestly isn't all that bad. I dont have much of an issue there. Defensjve awareness could def get better but I think he will improve. He's shown he's a smart player so I have confidence he'll evolve defensively

I honestly don't see any issues with his rebounding. He get's a ton of offensive boards and he always goes up with both hands. And nobody at 19 knows much about defensive awareness. That takes time.

Jmonty580 · Post #493 » by **Jmonty580** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:42 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:One thing that's comical is that UCONN can do a good job of limiting Okafor by running a 2-3 zone. Won't be able to do that in the NBA.

Brimah ain't ready for a big man with the talent of Okafor yet.

lol but seriously we didn't even get t see!!! The charge he tried to take in the first 50 seconds to pick up his first foul was stupid to say the least. The following 2 fouls were non-existent honestly. I felt like Okafor got superstar treatment. UConn cant shoot for crap and was constantly driving into the lane, but how many times did they get to the line vs Duke? I would have liked to see the refs less and more just basketball.

At the end of the day though Okafor is a much more talented and polished player and pro prospect then Brimah is, but I felt Amida got cheated bit last night.

siar617 · Post #494 » by **siar617** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:46 pm

As for rebounding defense and passing is Towns not the better prospect?

PMFJB · Post #495 » by **PMFJB** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:13 pm

siar617 wrote:As for rebounding defense and passing is Towns not the better prospect?

No. The guy disappears for stretches. His biggest asset is his passing which is really really good. Do not want though.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #496 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:01 pm

PMFJB wrote:
siar617 wrote:As for rebounding defense and passing is Towns not the better prospect?

No. The guy disappears for stretches. His biggest asset is his passing which is really really good. Do not want though.

He has an all around offensive game (inside and out), is a great passer, is pretty athletic (not a freak athlete, but a good one), is a team first guy, and is a good defender. You know who also "disappeared for stretches" during college? LaMarcus Aldridge. The first time we argued about this you were convinced he wasn't a starter. I went to an SEC school and should hate Kentucky, but have absolutely nothing against Towns. Why? Because he's uber talented. There's a reason why every single scout is very high on him and has been for a long time.

PMFJB · Post #497 » by **PMFJB** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:12 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
PMFJB wrote:
siar617 wrote:As for rebounding defense and passing is Towns not the better prospect?

No. The guy disappears for stretches. His biggest asset is his passing which is really really good. Do not want though.

He has an all around offensive game (inside and out), is a great passer, is pretty athletic (not a freak athlete, but a good one), is a team first guy, and is a good defender. You know who also "disappeared for stretches" during college? LaMarcus Aldridge. The first time we argued about this you were convinced he wasn't a starter. I went to an SEC school and should hate Kentucky, but have absolutely nothing against Towns. Why? Because he's uber talented. There's a reason why every single scout is very high on him and has been for a long time.

Yeah but scouts were also high on the Beasleys on the world. I don't go by scouts at all. Because usually the lottery is full of "can't miss" guys by the scouts and they end up being average or worse.

In Towns see a guy who is elite at passing, has a solid offensive game but is meh in every other area. He lacks a motor.

And for ever Lamarcus Aldrige there are 10 bums at the end of the bench who lacked a motor in college and never got one in the nba.

I know this is not a great comparison but in 1992 (or 93) there was a can't miss PF who was the next Karl Malone/Barkley in a guy named Derrick Coleman. Who was uber talented had all the skills but lacked a motor. But people overlooked that because well all his tremendous skills. We know how that went.

When you lack a motor at 18/19 when you are reaching your physical peek and are still trying to achieve your dream of going to the nba that just tells me you are not someone I want in my team.

Of course there are outliers like LMA. But can you honestly give me 20 guys that in college lacked a motor and suddenly turned it on in the nba. I sure can't.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #498 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:18 pm

Whatever, dude. I just think it's odd that you are the only one who says "do not want" and isn't a fan. Every article / snippet from a scout / post from a college basketball watcher sees that he's going to be good, yet you don't.

He's absolutely NOTHING like Beasley. The lottery is 100% not full of "can't miss guys." Everyone knows it's a crap shoot no matter where you pick. But picking a guy who is has a multi-faceted offensive game (with no weaknesses on that side of the ball) and is a good defender, is never a bad idea.

Can you give me 20 guys who were as talented offensively as Towns at the same age? I sure cant.

I also don't think he disappears for stretches either. Not only is he playing on an absolutely stacked team, but he isn't playing with a real point guard on the "first platoon." I think you're reaching for reasons to not like the guy.

PMFJB · Post #499 » by **PMFJB** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Whatever, dude. I just think it's odd that you are the only one who says "do not want" and isn't a fan. Every article / snippet from a scout / post from a college basketball watcher sees that he's going to be good, yet you don't.

He's absolutely NOTHING like Beasley. The lottery is 100% not full of "can't miss guys." Everyone knows it's a crap shoot no matter where you pick. But picking a guy who is has a multi-faceted offensive game (with no weaknesses on that side of the ball) and is a good defender, is never a bad idea.

Can you give me 20 guys who were as talented offensively as Towns at the same age? I sure cant.

I also don't think he disappears for stretches either. Not only is he playing on an absolutely stacked team, but he isn't playing with a real point guard on the "first platoon." I think you're reaching for reasons to not like the guy.

I am just not sold on him. And I go back to not caring about the scouts saying he is a great thing. They know as much as you and I. That is why every draft is a car crash. Of teams thinking they are picking a stud then they don't.

I have nothing against the guy. I just don't see it. And I want the best possible player for our team.

I also have many fears about Okafor but they are not as glaring.

Honestly I'd rather give Muiday a shot over those two.

Jmonty580 · Post #500 » by **Jmonty580** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:02 pm

I'm going to have to jump on board with not being wowed by Karl towns. I think he is very good, but I think playing for Kentucky hides some things as well. Also when I talk to the die hard Kentucky fans I know, they all like Willie Caulie stein better then Towns as a player. Granted towns is younger and is probably viewed to have a high ceiling, but something about Town's game just has me cautious. I'm just saying if its between him and Okafor, I'm taking Okafor. I'd probably take Mudiay over him too. And in all honesty I like Stanley Johnson as a pro prospect more than anyone else in the entire draft!

Ofcourse I was one of the few that didn't think Andrew wiggins was as good as he was billed to be either... he seems to be doing solid so far though.... Its all opinions.