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Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#481 » by GONYK » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 pm

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BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:You compared him to Mudiay. And qualified it with “I’m not trolling” :lol:


I think the issue is more your reading comprehension of my post than it is my thoughts on RJ.

My fault, you never said that.
Be easy professor, I didn’t attack you.
You invented basketball.

I simply said you wanted the dude to put on a shooting exhibition, and I asked for what. It wouldn’t help him. And it wouldn’t help us. Why you got defensive is on you.

We both know you were and have been passive aggressive throwing shade at the dude and his game.
Which is your right. But we are both adults.
I kinda expect better from you.


Look up and down the last few pages if you care. There have been plenty of adult responses and discussion to my question.

If you have a certain sensitivity about RJ that makes you classify all critiques and questions about his game as "shade", that is your issue.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#482 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue May 28, 2019 5:10 pm

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moocow007 wrote:This is a good article that I found about why Culver should NOT be the guy to take at 3. Found this after I had already determined Barrett is the guy to take. But it explains it pretty much with the same reasons as me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/3-reasons-drafting-jarrett-culver-at-no-3-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-knicks/amp/

As far as Barrett with KD and Kyrie...IF the Knicks are really confident that they will land the two it still really doesn't change things one bit. Barrett is still without question the better asset to have in a trade.

IF KD and Kyrie gave Perry and Mills their commitment then neither Barrett nor Culver would be a fit. From a pure fit standpoint in this scenario, DeAndre Hunter would be the best fit...if we want to draft for fit.

But if the Knicks land KD and Kyrie they should be putting all the cards on the table and looking to deal for AD. And by all indications Barrett would be the most desirable piece of any trade for Davis.

If the goal is to move down from 3 Barrett still is the better option as Barrett is the more desirable asset for the teams following the Knicks in the draft. The Lakers would immediately look to include Barrett in a trade for AD themselves (which in and if itself would be reason enough to draft Barrett at 3). Barrett would be the perfect player for the Cavs. Barrett and Trae Young would be a potentially scary and exciting duo in Atlanta.

From a style of play standpoint, it's pretty clear that Fizdale wants to play uptempo. If they don't land KD, Barrett is the better player for uptempo compared to the less athletic, slower footed Culver. If they do land KD and Kyrie they would still logically want to play uptempo considering that it'll be even more difficult to defend KD if you're pushing the ball. And Kyrie? You unleash him in an uptempo system and he can be truly scary. So again, Barrett would be a better fit as both a finisher as well as shot creator than Culver.

I just don't see any scenario where Culver makes sense over Barrett for the Knicks at 3.

Folks are getting carried away with his wingspan measurement at the combine. You still have to be able to create your shots in the NBA and I'm dubious Culver can do that (poor handles, not explosive). His showing against DeAndre Hunter in the title game imo is a foreshadowing of what he'll be able to go in the NBA against NBA defenders.

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Agreed. The things that made Culver seem attractive, back when a lot of folks were consigning themselves to getting the 5th pick, was that at that spot, Culver was big guard, with some ability to run the offense and also a good court sense. Good all around offensive game, handle needed some work, played within a great college defense.

RJ has a lot of the positive attributes of Culver and some of the negative, in a clearly more explosive and athletic player. Tall SG capable of running the paint, can make good decisions on offense? Check. Crafty scoring? Check. Now, Culver I think shows some more variety in his scoring, a little more inventiveness, but it's not like RJ can't do that. Obviously RJ has some issues being so left hand dominant. Both have jumpers that could use some work. Both have handles that could use some work.

Culver is sort of an odd choice to want over RJ as, to me - and I could be wrong here - but they are similar ENOUGH - not the same, games aren't alike - that it's weird to pick Culver.

Also agree with your trade scenarios. Just take the best guy and if that's a player other teams want a few picks down, THEN trade him, get a player back the team views as just as good AND extract a pick/player etc from them in the process.


i've been big on culver since very early in the season. but i'm not taking him over RJ. barrett's upside intrigues me more. i do think culver is being underrated and will be one of this year's pleasant surprises. though he shouldn't surprise anyone, really.



Agreed, especially when I found out that Culver is actually 6'7" and not 6'4"
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#483 » by Capn'O » Tue May 28, 2019 5:14 pm

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Capn'O wrote:For the Cavs - I can see the Barrett/Sexton combo either REALLY working or REALLY not working.

The question I have about Barrett, and really the only one I'd be looking to analyze prior to taking him as a long term piece, is his decision making. I.e. are his tunnel vision tendencies innate or an effect of his role at Duke. The rest, you can work with.

Note, you can still select him as an asset and use him for a trade if you determine that he can't get to where you want him. Overall, I agree with Moo's point that he has the highest value at this time.


Eh I don't love it.... I'm high on RJ's shot improving. I think as a pure off the catch shooter I see him becoming at least an average shooter but i don't love pairing 2 guys who's main weaknesses on offense are lack of reliable jumpers and inconsistent decision making with the ball in their hands. It's honestly why I'm slightly concerned pairing DSJ and Barrett in a non KD scenario. What helps us is that DSJ is a much better passer than Sexton is and is definitely a better catch and shoot guy as well and we also have FRank who is as unselfish as it gets at the wing spot.


It could work if they have good shooting at the other positions and if the two can work into clearly defined roles: Barrett runs more sets and Sexton runs early/late attacks. I'm not that optimistic about it either.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#484 » by GONYK » Tue May 28, 2019 5:17 pm

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Capn'O wrote:For the Cavs - I can see the Barrett/Sexton combo either REALLY working or REALLY not working.

The question I have about Barrett, and really the only one I'd be looking to analyze prior to taking him as a long term piece, is his decision making. I.e. are his tunnel vision tendencies innate or an effect of his role at Duke. The rest, you can work with.

Note, you can still select him as an asset and use him for a trade if you determine that he can't get to where you want him. Overall, I agree with Moo's point that he has the highest value at this time.


Eh I don't love it.... I'm high on RJ's shot improving. I think as a pure off the catch shooter I see him becoming at least an average shooter but i don't love pairing 2 guys who's main weaknesses on offense are lack of reliable jumpers and inconsistent decision making with the ball in their hands. It's honestly why I'm slightly concerned pairing DSJ and Barrett in a non KD scenario. What helps us is that DSJ is a much better passer than Sexton is and is definitely a better catch and shoot guy as well and we also have FRank who is as unselfish as it gets at the wing spot.


It could work if they have good shooting at the other positions and if the two can work into clearly defined roles: Barrett runs more sets and Sexton runs early/late attacks. I'm not that optimistic about it either.


The best usage would be to put Barrett in Sexton's role from last season and bring Colin off the bench.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#485 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue May 28, 2019 5:18 pm

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Capn'O wrote:For the Cavs - I can see the Barrett/Sexton combo either REALLY working or REALLY not working.

The question I have about Barrett, and really the only one I'd be looking to analyze prior to taking him as a long term piece, is his decision making. I.e. are his tunnel vision tendencies innate or an effect of his role at Duke. The rest, you can work with.

Note, you can still select him as an asset and use him for a trade if you determine that he can't get to where you want him. Overall, I agree with Moo's point that he has the highest value at this time.


Eh I don't love it.... I'm high on RJ's shot improving. I think as a pure off the catch shooter I see him becoming at least an average shooter but i don't love pairing 2 guys who's main weaknesses on offense are lack of reliable jumpers and inconsistent decision making with the ball in their hands. It's honestly why I'm slightly concerned pairing DSJ and Barrett in a non KD scenario. What helps us is that DSJ is a much better passer than Sexton is and is definitely a better catch and shoot guy as well and we also have FRank who is as unselfish as it gets at the wing spot.


It could work if they have good shooting at the other positions and if the two can work into clearly defined roles: Barrett runs more sets and Sexton runs early/late attacks. I'm not that optimistic about it either.



You should check out the video I posted from the Dukie on Barrett. He's a pretty good playmaker and took over the PG duties when Jones was out hurt. He has a little point forward in him. I think his footwork on his jump shot is a correctable problem.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#486 » by Capn'O » Tue May 28, 2019 5:30 pm

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Eh I don't love it.... I'm high on RJ's shot improving. I think as a pure off the catch shooter I see him becoming at least an average shooter but i don't love pairing 2 guys who's main weaknesses on offense are lack of reliable jumpers and inconsistent decision making with the ball in their hands. It's honestly why I'm slightly concerned pairing DSJ and Barrett in a non KD scenario. What helps us is that DSJ is a much better passer than Sexton is and is definitely a better catch and shoot guy as well and we also have FRank who is as unselfish as it gets at the wing spot.


It could work if they have good shooting at the other positions and if the two can work into clearly defined roles: Barrett runs more sets and Sexton runs early/late attacks. I'm not that optimistic about it either.



You should check out the video I posted from the Dukie on Barrett. He's a pretty good playmaker and took over the PG duties when Jones was out hurt. He has a little point forward in him. I think his footwork on his jump shot is a correctable problem.


He has a lot of point forward in him. I am of the opinion that if he can harness that he'll be a lot more effective than trying to be a high volume primary option, which is why I emphasize mentality. As you mention, a jumper can be refined.
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Post#499 » by stuporman » Tue May 28, 2019 8:12 pm

RJ says he would love to get drafted by the Knicks? I'm shocked.... no really.

He speaks french fluently, does it intrigue me that him and Frank can hit it off so they form a huge back court pairing that compliments each other skill set wise? It does.
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Post#500 » by GONYK » Tue May 28, 2019 8:20 pm

stuporman wrote:RJ says he would love to get drafted by the Knicks? I'm shocked.... no really.

He speaks french fluently, does it intrigue me that him and Frank can hit it off so they form a huge back court pairing that compliments each other skill set wise? It does.

They can call out defensive strategy in French like Ibaka and Gasol do in Spanish

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