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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#481 » by Capn'O » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:15 pm

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You need to sacrifice one pick to develop at least 5 picks we have! Oladipo is not the aim, but a consequence

But that Mavs pick is unprotected. The West is so deep and Dallas only has one healthy superstar while the other is injury prone. One bad stretch and anythint can happen. Not wishing injury on anyone but it would be great if they didn't make the playoffs. An unprotected pick is worth a lot considering there's always that chance it can turn out #1. I wouldn't trade that away.

mavs pick is top 10 unprotected until it conveys into two seconds. its not worth as much as you think


Knicks got 2 picks from the Mavs. 2021 pick is unprotected. The second pick is as you say starting in 2023.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#482 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:15 pm

Five more days.....sucks. I want MOAR KIDS DOMINATING!!! I really can't wait for the day we have team that plays that way against top teams!!! This making us the top team and champs!!! Fuggin leeeeggggoooooo!
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#483 » by rajajackal » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:17 pm

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You need to sacrifice one pick to develop at least 5 picks we have! Oladipo is not the aim, but a consequence

But that Mavs pick is unprotected. The West is so deep and Dallas only has one healthy superstar while the other is injury prone. One bad stretch and anythint can happen. Not wishing injury on anyone but it would be great if they didn't make the playoffs. An unprotected pick is worth a lot considering there's always that chance it can turn out #1. I wouldn't trade that away.

mavs pick is top 10 unprotected until it conveys into two seconds. its not worth as much as you think


i'd trade both mavs picks to unload randle/dsj if it meant we got a starter that fit our team sooner than randle's expiration. that would essentially mean KP = quickley (capspace > morris > 27 > 25) and said trade target (dsj + mavs picks + capspace > randle) , which i could happily live with looking at what we've got now
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#484 » by smw6230 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:20 pm

Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#485 » by JBreezeNY » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:24 pm

smw6230 wrote:Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.

Which is why I like Quick but we should temper our expectations a bit.

Because he’s shown us something we haven’t gotten in years we’re gonna try to vault him to the top like we did with KP, Frank, etc but even with the praise we can be honest. He definitely needs to work on his perimeter defense, it is awesome we have Thibs as a coach in that aspect. I expect him to struggle in that regard tho and that’s fine, young players need growing pains, if it’s still a problem year 3 then that’s a convo needed to be had.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#486 » by Fat Kat » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:27 pm

smw6230 wrote:Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.


Who do you think should start at PG?
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#487 » by Oscirus » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:33 pm

smw6230 wrote:Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.

Only way he gets better in defending that is with experience. No time like the present for him to work on such things
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#488 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:37 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
smw6230 wrote:Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.

Which is why I like Quick but we should temper our expectations a bit.

Because he’s shown us something we haven’t gotten in years we’re gonna try to vault him to the top like we did with KP, Frank, etc but even with the praise we can be honest. He definitely needs to work on his perimeter defense, it is awesome we have Thibs as a coach in that aspect. I expect him to struggle in that regard tho and that’s fine, young players need growing pains, if it’s still a problem year 3 then that’s a convo needed to be had.


Most here know it was against weak competition and are not fooled. You still cannot discount what he and the team did while he was running the show. It was dominance plain and simple. Does that mean he is without flaw? No. There is no doubt he looks more NBA ready than any young guard we have had in a looooooong time. Especially being a rookie. Being a rookie...he will have rough patches and have to adjust to the speed/strength/endurance of the game and he will learn while doing. Win/win. The kid earned minutes and will work on his flaws or Thins won't mess around. Let's enjoy the show.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#489 » by smw6230 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:40 pm

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smw6230 wrote:Given how sharp this board is someone already likely mentioned it but if IQ is going to be your starting PG he's really going to have to work on defending the high screen & roll. Cleveland ran that all night long and IQ was chasing all night long.

You can't do that against the top guards in the league.


Who do you think should start at PG?


Elfrid :D (kidding)

I'd start IQ and have him specifically working with a coach on areas of weakness as a structured part of his day. Personally, regardless of his string, I'm pretty sure that this is how the Knicks will approach IQ's overall development.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#490 » by TheGreenArrow » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:46 pm

Nobody thinks IQ is going to be a star-superstar.

He’s a very good young combo guard who fits in seamlessly at the 1 or 2.

And very nice piece to the young core going forward.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#491 » by nedleeds » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:52 pm

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wow. dominique is def in my bottom 5. he is one of the least insightful, most spicy mouth...


Normally, I'd agree, but for some reason, I get a kick out of him.


i hear you. i can't even get austin carr "at least he's kinda funny" relationship with him. probably because i live in this horrible overlap market where i have to watch both hornets and hawks broadcasts on fox sports south. that's sometimes 8 mandatory dominique and **** dell curry coverage broadcasts, minus the in-person charlotte games i attend.


Dominique is one of the nicest, most engaging pro athletes I've ever met. He's signed basketballs out of the trunk of my car, talked on the patio at Fellini's with me about the playoffs when he could have blown me off.

However, he is a totally unprepared and repetitive analyst. He's completely useless, he's just barely paying attention and the same 5 cliches over Bob Rathbuns shleppy voice. He has the job solely because he's the greatest (Bob Petit?) Hawk ever.

Clyde presumably got the job because he's one of if not the greatest Knick ever but he is amazing and has a style his own and continues to make me laugh and remain interested through some putrid years.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#492 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:56 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Normally, I'd agree, but for some reason, I get a kick out of him.


i hear you. i can't even get austin carr "at least he's kinda funny" relationship with him. probably because i live in this horrible overlap market where i have to watch both hornets and hawks broadcasts on fox sports south. that's sometimes 8 mandatory dominique and **** dell curry coverage broadcasts, minus the in-person charlotte games i attend.


Dominique is one of the nicest, most engaging pro athletes I've ever met. He's signed basketballs out of the trunk of my car, talked on the patio at Fellini's with me about the playoffs when he could have blown me off.

However, he is a totally unprepared and repetitive analyst. He's completely useless, he's just barely paying attention and the same 5 cliches over Bob Rathbuns shleppy voice. He has the job solely because he's the greatest (Bob Petit?) Hawk ever.

Clyde presumably got the job because he's one of if not the greatest Knick ever but he is amazing and has a style his own and continues to make me laugh and remain interested through some putrid years.


See, I like 'Nique because maybe I hear him twice a year on a stream or dl'd game, so I don't pick up on that laziness or cliche stuff - I guess, and some of that engaging manner shines through.

I'm not enough of an aficionado of other teams broadcasters, so can't rate them.

Ian Eagle is obviously very good, though I hate the Nets.

I hate the Celtics with the passion of a thousand suns, but I get a kick out of Heinson because you can just see him smoking and drinking a scotch while he is the biggest unapologetic homer ever. I should hate him, but instead I get a kick out of it.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#493 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:58 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:Nobody thinks IQ is going to be a star-superstar.

He’s a very good young combo guard who fits in seamlessly at the 1 or 2.

And very nice piece to the young core going forward.


A combo guard who shoots well, can handle some PG duties, is the best fit to RJ, so RJ can do some point duties in the offense.

Not anointing him FVV yet, but it's exactly the kind of guard is good for RJ
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#494 » by Spree2Houston » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:03 pm

Quickley makes the sum of parts better. If you remember in the Pistons game, literally 3 defenders came at him. His shot is elite and opens up the floor for the other 4 to operate.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#495 » by Besart19 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 pm

We just cant start Frank! cuz that means more minutes for Payton and less for Knox or Obi

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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#496 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:26 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Normally, I'd agree, but for some reason, I get a kick out of him.


i hear you. i can't even get austin carr "at least he's kinda funny" relationship with him. probably because i live in this horrible overlap market where i have to watch both hornets and hawks broadcasts on fox sports south. that's sometimes 8 mandatory dominique and **** dell curry coverage broadcasts, minus the in-person charlotte games i attend.


Dominique is one of the nicest, most engaging pro athletes I've ever met. He's signed basketballs out of the trunk of my car, talked on the patio at Fellini's with me about the playoffs when he could have blown me off.

However, he is a totally unprepared and repetitive analyst. He's completely useless, he's just barely paying attention and the same 5 cliches over Bob Rathbuns shleppy voice. He has the job solely because he's the greatest (Bob Petit?) Hawk ever.

Clyde presumably got the job because he's one of if not the greatest Knick ever but he is amazing and has a style his own and continues to make me laugh and remain interested through some putrid years.


glad to hear. always was a fan. so disappointed that he's not... atlanta's clyde. seems like a nice cat. so glad to see you had very positive interactions.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#497 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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i hear you. i can't even get austin carr "at least he's kinda funny" relationship with him. probably because i live in this horrible overlap market where i have to watch both hornets and hawks broadcasts on fox sports south. that's sometimes 8 mandatory dominique and **** dell curry coverage broadcasts, minus the in-person charlotte games i attend.


Dominique is one of the nicest, most engaging pro athletes I've ever met. He's signed basketballs out of the trunk of my car, talked on the patio at Fellini's with me about the playoffs when he could have blown me off.

However, he is a totally unprepared and repetitive analyst. He's completely useless, he's just barely paying attention and the same 5 cliches over Bob Rathbuns shleppy voice. He has the job solely because he's the greatest (Bob Petit?) Hawk ever.

Clyde presumably got the job because he's one of if not the greatest Knick ever but he is amazing and has a style his own and continues to make me laugh and remain interested through some putrid years.


See, I like 'Nique because maybe I hear him twice a year on a stream or dl'd game, so I don't pick up on that laziness or cliche stuff - I guess, and some of that engaging manner shines through.

I'm not enough of an aficionado of other teams broadcasters, so can't rate them.

Ian Eagle is obviously very good, though I hate the Nets.

I hate the Celtics with the passion of a thousand suns, but I get a kick out of Heinson because you can just see him smoking and drinking a scotch while he is the biggest unapologetic homer ever. I should hate him, but instead I get a kick out of it.


RIP. easily my least favorite color commentator. but sad he's no longer with us. game lost a true giant. bled a lifetime of green for the top 2 franchise in the league.
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Post#498 » by RHODEY » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:38 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Dominique is one of the nicest, most engaging pro athletes I've ever met. He's signed basketballs out of the trunk of my car, talked on the patio at Fellini's with me about the playoffs when he could have blown me off.

However, he is a totally unprepared and repetitive analyst. He's completely useless, he's just barely paying attention and the same 5 cliches over Bob Rathbuns shleppy voice. He has the job solely because he's the greatest (Bob Petit?) Hawk ever.

Clyde presumably got the job because he's one of if not the greatest Knick ever but he is amazing and has a style his own and continues to make me laugh and remain interested through some putrid years.


See, I like 'Nique because maybe I hear him twice a year on a stream or dl'd game, so I don't pick up on that laziness or cliche stuff - I guess, and some of that engaging manner shines through.

I'm not enough of an aficionado of other teams broadcasters, so can't rate them.

Ian Eagle is obviously very good, though I hate the Nets.

I hate the Celtics with the passion of a thousand suns, but I get a kick out of Heinson because you can just see him smoking and drinking a scotch while he is the biggest unapologetic homer ever. I should hate him, but instead I get a kick out of it.


RIP. easily my least favorite color commentator. but sad he's no longer with us. game lost a true giant. bled a lifetime of green for the top 2 franchise in the league.


Heison died? Wow I could stand his commentating but RIP to him.
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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#499 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:44 pm

Capn'O wrote:
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knicksNOTslick wrote:But that Mavs pick is unprotected. The West is so deep and Dallas only has one healthy superstar while the other is injury prone. One bad stretch and anythint can happen. Not wishing injury on anyone but it would be great if they didn't make the playoffs. An unprotected pick is worth a lot considering there's always that chance it can turn out #1. I wouldn't trade that away.

mavs pick is top 10 unprotected until it conveys into two seconds. its not worth as much as you think


Knicks got 2 picks from the Mavs. 2021 pick is unprotected. The second pick is as you say starting in 2023.


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Re: Knicks - Cavs PG II 

Post#500 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:46 pm

RHODEY wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
See, I like 'Nique because maybe I hear him twice a year on a stream or dl'd game, so I don't pick up on that laziness or cliche stuff - I guess, and some of that engaging manner shines through.

I'm not enough of an aficionado of other teams broadcasters, so can't rate them.

Ian Eagle is obviously very good, though I hate the Nets.

I hate the Celtics with the passion of a thousand suns, but I get a kick out of Heinson because you can just see him smoking and drinking a scotch while he is the biggest unapologetic homer ever. I should hate him, but instead I get a kick out of it.


RIP. easily my least favorite color commentator. but sad he's no longer with us. game lost a true giant. bled a lifetime of green for the top 2 franchise in the league.


Heison died? Wow I could stand his commentating but RIP to him.


yeah recently. last month. :cry: actually gonna miss him calling the celtics game. it was just part of the experience, like clyde.
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