Around the NBA - Randle >>>> Harden etc

[3toheadmelo]

tbh I don't want to even ask this questions in preseason again and then comes a "he starts, because we like his leadership"-bs. just tank and hope for a top 3 pick or throw everything at the team that ends up with such a pick

So you’re saying even if we drafted Haliburton, Payton is starting over him?

yes i do. thibs would sell us with something like "we like how he runs the 2nd unit" or "its good to have the option to bring such a good player off the bench".
I am not kidding. I really do think that.

So why are you still complaining about us not drafting Haliburton if you still think he wouldn’t even start?

[Reign23]

So you’re saying even if we drafted Haliburton, Payton is starting over him?

yes i do. thibs would sell us with something like "we like how he runs the 2nd unit" or "its good to have the option to bring such a good player off the bench".
I am not kidding. I really do think that.

So why are you still complaining about us not drafting Haliburton if you still think he wouldn’t even start?

where did I complain about not drafting haliburton? but yes, would still be a way better pick because he can play 2 positions and shoot.

[cgf]

It's a good thing we invested a top 10 pick in a 23 year old who will only be able to play 15 effective minutes per game because you can't play him next to Randle for the next at least 2 years, rather than a 20 year old who could be playing upwards of 30 mpg because he fits on a good team?

It's not a good problem to have, it's a stupid problem to have. One completely made by our own ineptitude in scouting, cause unless Obi is a star from day 1, then there was literally no reason to draft him over someone like Haliburton

If he's good, our only options are still either trade Randle or trade Obi. Keeping both of them on the roster through next year is ridiculous, but it's what we're gonna do. Painting ourselves into a corner is the thing we do best, after all.

We don't know that yet. I get why you are assuming it, I did before the season too, but our Julius at the 5 looks have been surprisingly effective for stretches...so I expect Thibs to try subbing Obi in for Mitch next to Julius for 5-10 minutes; as well as the minutes that Julius is on the bench for.

Until it becomes a problem, I wouldn't leap to assuming that a Julius, Mitch & Obi big man rotation won't work while Toppin develops.

We drafted a 23 year old at 8 who needs time to develop

Fantastic.

We drafted at 8...of course he needs time to develop.

What did you expect?

[3toheadmelo]

yes i do. thibs would sell us with something like "we like how he runs the 2nd unit" or "its good to have the option to bring such a good player off the bench".
I am not kidding. I really do think that.

So why are you still complaining about us not drafting Haliburton if you still think he wouldn’t even start?

where did I complain about not drafting haliburton? but yes, would still be a way better pick because he can play 2 positions and shoot.

You just said the Knicks haven’t upgraded the PG position since 2005. Obviously you’re upset about us missing out on someone. If it’s not Haliburton then who is it?

[3toheadmelo]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

[Reign23]

So why are you still complaining about us not drafting Haliburton if you still think he wouldn’t even start?

where did I complain about not drafting haliburton? but yes, would still be a way better pick because he can play 2 positions and shoot.

You just said the Knicks haven’t upgraded the PG position since 2005. Obviously you’re upset about us missing out on someone. If it’s not Haliburton then who is it?

I am talking about trading and FA also. but if you ask me about this draft: I would have drafted Haliburton or Terry (yes I know that he doesn't see the floor yet) and of course wouldn't have resigned elfrid freaking payton.

[dakomish23]

I’m just gonna say this. Let’s see how this plays out. Before this season the KP trade was looking horrible for us. But now it looks great cause we got Randle outplaying him, first round picks, and flipped Morris for Quickley. Just have some patience.

What’s Morris have to do with the KP trade

Cap space we got from the trade we used to sign Morris

We had cap space before the KP deal. Are you saying we wouldn’t have had enough space for Randle and Morris? I think we were at 35 but I’m not certain

[DOT]

We drafted at 8...of course he needs time to develop.

What did you expect?

Where was this energy when everyone was saying he wouldn't need time to develop cause he was older?

[Reign23]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

[3toheadmelo]

where did I complain about not drafting haliburton? but yes, would still be a way better pick because he can play 2 positions and shoot.

You just said the Knicks haven’t upgraded the PG position since 2005. Obviously you’re upset about us missing out on someone. If it’s not Haliburton then who is it?

I am talking about trading and FA also. but if you ask me about this draft: I would have drafted Haliburton or Terry (yes I know that he doesn't see the floor yet) and of course wouldn't have resigned elfrid freaking payton.

Ok well let’s see how this plays out. I personally think they kept Payton cause they thought DSJ/Frank was gonna redeem themselves and outplay Payton. So whatever. We’ll see what happens in the draft/Free agency

[3toheadmelo]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

Sure we need a top 3 pick. But the Knicks are winning games cause we have a legit all star. Not a bad position to be in at all.

[DOT]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

I don't know about that

I think we need to make a decision whether to go all-in, or to hit the rebuild button

Randle is playing great, and Mitch is a defensive anchor. If we could get a premium player like Beal, we would be pretty legit, doubly so if we could keep RJ at the same time, where his inconsistencies would be liveable cause we wouldn't need him to go off every night

We're just in a sort of limbo right now. Randle's not good enough to do it by himself, and the rest of the team isn't good enough to be a proper supporting cast, and our young guys aren't really solidified as a good future core. So we need to choose one path instead of trying multi-track drifting.

[3toheadmelo]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

I don't know about that

I think we need to make a decision whether to go all-in, or to hit the rebuild button

Randle is playing great, and Mitch is a defensive anchor. If we could get a premium player like Beal, we would be pretty legit, doubly so if we could keep RJ at the same time, where his inconsistencies would be liveable cause we wouldn't need him to go off every night

We're just in a sort of limbo right now. Randle's not good enough to do it by himself, and the rest of the team isn't good enough to be a proper supporting cast, and our young guys aren't really solidified as a good future core. So we need to choose one path instead of trying multi-track drifting.

I’m hoping we make a move for Lavine if the Bulls start to lose. I think he’d be great to take some pressure off Randle and he should be cheaper than Beal

[Reign23]

OKC loss got y’all down bad

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

Sure we need a top 3 pick. But the Knicks are winning games cause we have a legit all star. Not a bad position to be in at all.

sure, randle is playing really well. But I would sell high here.
I know you are little biased but if we think longterm, you need a a steph/klay level backcourt when you build around a RJ/Randle/Mitch frontcourt. And even then you might have not enough shooting.

[DOT]

I’m hoping we make a move for Lavine if the Bulls start to lose. I think he’d be great to take some pressure off Randle and he should be cheaper than Beal

Would be kind of funny, after Thibs traded LaVine for Butler when he was in Minny.

[knickstape4ever]

We don't know that yet. I get why you are assuming it, I did before the season too, but our Julius at the 5 looks have been surprisingly effective for stretches...so I expect Thibs to try subbing Obi in for Mitch next to Julius for 5-10 minutes; as well as the minutes that Julius is on the bench for.

Until it becomes a problem, I wouldn't leap to assuming that a Julius, Mitch & Obi big man rotation won't work while Toppin develops.

We drafted a 23 year old at 8 who needs time to develop

Fantastic.

We drafted at 8...of course he needs time to develop.

What did you expect?

part of Obi's value was his NBA readiness. PG was the clear need and Haliburton would have fit perfectly

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Obi wasn't even mentioned as 1 of the best fits. everyone was talking Haliburton, because PG was the need and he was arguably the best prospect available.

I think the Knicks FO got caught up in the hometown kid factor + even tho both he and Haliburton are repped by CAA, Obi has Leon's son as part of his team of agents

[Reign23]

I’m hoping we make a move for Lavine if the Bulls start to lose. I think he’d be great to take some pressure off Randle and he should be cheaper than Beal

Would be kind of funny, after Thibs traded LaVine for Butler when he was in Minny.

tbh Zach would be one of my top targets in a Randle or Obi trade

[3toheadmelo]

Its the exact opposite tbh. I was ready to let it go and live with either result, but man... we need a top 3 pick so bad. I don't know how you can watch a game and think otherwise.

Sure we need a top 3 pick. But the Knicks are winning games cause we have a legit all star. Not a bad position to be in at all.

sure, randle is playing really well. But I would sell high here.
I know you are little biased but if we think longterm, you need a a steph/klay level backcourt when you build around a RJ/Randle/Mitch frontcourt. And even then you might have not enough shooting.

No doubt we need shooters. Hopefully we can get some soon. I wish Burks was healthy right now

[cgf]

We drafted at 8...of course he needs time to develop.

What did you expect?

Where was this energy when everyone was saying he wouldn't need time to develop cause he was older?

Same place I've always been

[cgf]

We drafted a 23 year old at 8 who needs time to develop

Fantastic.

We drafted at 8...of course he needs time to develop.

What did you expect?

part of Obi's value was his NBA readiness. PG was the clear need and Haliburton would have fit perfectly

Watch on YouTube

Obi wasn't even mentioned as 1 of the best fits. everyone was talking Haliburton, because PG was the need and he was arguably the best prospect available.

I think the Knicks FO got caught up in the hometown kid factor + even tho both he and Haliburton are repped by CAA, Obi has Leon's son as part of his team of agents

Has the FO ever said that the "readiness" which lazy analysts assumed he had due to his age, was a major factor in their decision? Cause I feel like that's more of a justification that fans latched onto than an accurate assessment of him as a prospect...especially given how new to that Big life he was.

I think they just felt most confident in him growing into a good player given his intelligence, length, vertical burst, and shooting potential...while not freaking out about his age like some on here have. PWill was my guy, so after he rose too high for us I didn't really have a horse in the race left...though I'd probably have taken Deni were it my call...but I can get the thinking with Obi, even if they believed Julius would do what he's doing.