Hawks (5) @ Knicks (4) - Playoffs Round 1 - Game 1 - SUNDAY May 23 - 7:00pm

[KnixtapeH20]

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Mavs are so irrelevant to me now that we're done with their pick. Kp can feed his non bestie luke twinkies after they get knocked out the first round. They're no threat

Definition of a regular season team

We have their pick in 2023 too. So it ain’t over. A pox on that franchise

Oh thats right. Luka will prolly be gone by then and they'll be rebuilding lol

[KnixtapeH20]

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Mavs are so irrelevant to me now that we're done with their pick. Kp can feed his non bestie luke twinkies after they get knocked out the first round. They're no threat

Definition of a regular season team

Might wanna root for Mavs to get %1 shot at signing Kawhi

Hmm? I'm lost

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"We got Rose for a bag of chips, an open bag of chips".
"Payton is bizarre luck charm for Thibs"

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[BKlutch]

To be fair there are 100 Knicks fans on here to every 1 Hawks fan so this may explain the poll results...

So if those Atlanta stans want to come here and mess around, let's all go to their board and vote on who will win the Atlanta-NY round.

You can find it right here: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.ph

I looked - there's no options for the Knicks winning. Options are:

Hawks win
Hawks win
Hawks win
Hawks win
Hawks win or
Hawks win

It's the first topic on the Atlanta Board. It seems that 58% of their 26 votes picked the Knicks!
It's there as of now.

[BKlutch]

Even if Frank only scores once or twice, his defense will almost always result in a neutral +/- at a minimum, whereas Elfrid is now fairly guaranteed to be a negative +/- so giving Frank his minutes should be an easy decision now. It's only maybe 15 minutes a game, but a lot can happen in those 15 minutes that decide your season

The staff has these stats. Not sure what the politics are that are keeping him in the rotation and starting, but Payton still playing is the biggest black mark on this otherwise very enjoyable season

Maybe it's the fact that those stats don't show that to be the case? Frank's -3.6 is actually worse than Elf's -3 NetRtg...

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612752/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

I don't know if that is the metric that matters then, because when Frank is in the flow his defense fux up other teams. Right now, Payton offers no advantages on either end, only negatives.

Shhhh... Don't let Rage-O-Matic see this post.

[BKlutch]

proudly out and about in my knick tee and just high fived a random couple decked in knicks gear.

i’m pumped — f the nets

Every day I wear my MKGA cap, people stop me and say they love the Kincks. I forgot to tell them F the Nets, but I will next time

[Clyde_Style]

Maybe it's the fact that those stats don't show that to be the case? Frank's -3.6 is actually worse than Elf's -3 NetRtg...

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612752/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

I don't know if that is the metric that matters then, because when Frank is in the flow his defense fux up other teams. Right now, Payton offers no advantages on either end, only negatives.

Shhhh... Don't let Rage-O-Matic see this post.

ummm, I think you mean Faucet of Sausage

[BKlutch]

I don't know if that is the metric that matters then, because when Frank is in the flow his defense fux up other teams. Right now, Payton offers no advantages on either end, only negatives.

Shhhh... Don't let Rage-O-Matic see this post.

ummm, I think you mean Faucet of Sausage

I just turned vegan less than 10 seonds ago.

[Jamaaliver]

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[cgf]

What is this song?

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Go to youtube, search "go NY go", and prepare your ears for some concentrated-90s

[thebuzzardman]

Just posting to show off my new avatar

Pairs well with the goatse rim runner

[Jamaaliver]

What is this song?

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Go to youtube, search "go NY go", and prepare your ears for some concentrated-90s

Wow!! Noted.

But are you familiar with this classic gem from the same guy.

Again -- the man is now a part owner of our team.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Maybe it's the fact that those stats don't show that to be the case? Frank's -3.6 is actually worse than Elf's -3 NetRtg...

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612752/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

I don't know if that is the metric that matters then, because when Frank is in the flow his defense fux up other teams. Right now, Payton offers no advantages on either end, only negatives.

Shhhh... Don't let Rage-O-Matic see this post.

Weren't you the one crying about strawmen arguments last night?

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[Synciere]

I see the lonely Hawks fan getting all cocky about his team's chances, but I also see the Knicks fans getting a little too sure of themselves.

I'm not wildly impressed with the Hawks as a team, but it's not like the Knicks team isn't without it's flaws - which most fans acknowledge - but some of those same fans are getting a little carried away that it will be some cakewalk.

And you know what? I could give an actual sh*t if the Knicks even got swept by the Hawks. Yeah, I said it. I doubt that happens but hear me out.

Knicks are playing with house money. No one expected Randle to get this good. People around the league and Knick fans were doubtful RJ would take a step up. Thibs was looked at as a good defensive coach but a dinosaur who might not adjust to the current "MOAR THREES" NBA. And finally, Rose\WWW were looked at side eyed as an Agent/Street Agent pair of possible dilettantes, over their heads in FO capacities.

HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART:

The Hawks SHOULD win since they are at LEAST one year further ahead in their rebuild, based on properly tanking and then drafting Trae Young. Well, Luka and trading for Trae Young. And in that acquired some additional draft capital etc.
Also, to the Knicks shame and Atlanta's credit, they've blown fewer draft picks, so that puts them ahead on the rebuild/compete process.

Finally, Atlanta did this year (and a little last year) what the Knicks are going to be doing over the next two years, which is consolidating talent, making some trades and using cap space to upgrade the starting talent and bench talent - Clit Capella, BogBog, Gallo, Sweet Lou Williams.

Knicks are making those moves NEXT year. Or the year after.

I'm not saying this is the Hawks final product - trades can be made - it's not like they've handed out contracts to players that suck - but a team featuring Captain Hair Plugs and company is what they'll be for a little bit.

It's not easy to suck and rebuild but it might actually be easier to go from bad to mediocre\decent - Hawks last year, Knicks this year - than it is to then take the next step from mediocre\decent to regular deep playoff runs.

The Hawks have a nice team, but I'm not sure a team built around Trae Young, BogBog, Huerter, Capella\Hunter is scaring anyone long term. And I didn't include Collins, because he wants to get paid and Hawks might not do that. Or do it and wind up even further over the cap - but I'm not playing capologist and I'm sure there's a path where the Hawks give Collins his 25 million per and in a year or two are back near the cap

If I'm the Hawks or a Hawks fan, I'd be feeling some pressure, because the team went in on FA and trades and are SUPPOSED to be good, but instead don't have home court advantage against a Knicks team comprised of Randle, Still not very good RJ, busted up 2nd string C's, aging Derrick Rose, some journeymen wings, all led by an angry dinosaur coach.

Knicks playing with house money. They are just about as good as the Hawks, with multiple picks and tons of cap space and a year behind, at least, in the same process.

Nice post.

I’m a need you not to call another grown man Sweet Lou though. I’ll allow Lemon Pepper Lou. Some of the stories about him I hear from Atlanta make me want to call him Tangy Lou, but then I’d have to ‘pause.’

I’ll admit I’m one of those Knicks fans getting a little too cocky. I was surprised to learn Atlanta is actually favored. That said, Knicks weren’t supposed to win but 19 games or something according to those same Vegas counters. Those guys do tend to know a lot of things about the coaches and players were not privy to as the public, we’ve all seen Casino, so seeing us as the underdogs means they must know something we don’t. That’s fine. Like you said, anyone claiming we would be this good with this much cash and extra picks is a damn lie. Saying you don’t care if we get swept is a bit too far imo. Second round vs the Sixers, maybe, but not these Hawks lol.

I think they probably resign/match any offer Collins gets because it won’t be easy replacing his production. It might be better to overpay for them. We’ve seen that story before.

[thebuzzardman]

I see the lonely Hawks fan getting all cocky about his team's chances, but I also see the Knicks fans getting a little too sure of themselves.

I'm not wildly impressed with the Hawks as a team, but it's not like the Knicks team isn't without it's flaws - which most fans acknowledge - but some of those same fans are getting a little carried away that it will be some cakewalk.

And you know what? I could give an actual sh*t if the Knicks even got swept by the Hawks. Yeah, I said it. I doubt that happens but hear me out.

Knicks are playing with house money. No one expected Randle to get this good. People around the league and Knick fans were doubtful RJ would take a step up. Thibs was looked at as a good defensive coach but a dinosaur who might not adjust to the current "MOAR THREES" NBA. And finally, Rose\WWW were looked at side eyed as an Agent/Street Agent pair of possible dilettantes, over their heads in FO capacities.

HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART:

The Hawks SHOULD win since they are at LEAST one year further ahead in their rebuild, based on properly tanking and then drafting Trae Young. Well, Luka and trading for Trae Young. And in that acquired some additional draft capital etc.
Also, to the Knicks shame and Atlanta's credit, they've blown fewer draft picks, so that puts them ahead on the rebuild/compete process.

Finally, Atlanta did this year (and a little last year) what the Knicks are going to be doing over the next two years, which is consolidating talent, making some trades and using cap space to upgrade the starting talent and bench talent - Clit Capella, BogBog, Gallo, Sweet Lou Williams.

Knicks are making those moves NEXT year. Or the year after.

I'm not saying this is the Hawks final product - trades can be made - it's not like they've handed out contracts to players that suck - but a team featuring Captain Hair Plugs and company is what they'll be for a little bit.

It's not easy to suck and rebuild but it might actually be easier to go from bad to mediocre\decent - Hawks last year, Knicks this year - than it is to then take the next step from mediocre\decent to regular deep playoff runs.

The Hawks have a nice team, but I'm not sure a team built around Trae Young, BogBog, Huerter, Capella\Hunter is scaring anyone long term. And I didn't include Collins, because he wants to get paid and Hawks might not do that. Or do it and wind up even further over the cap - but I'm not playing capologist and I'm sure there's a path where the Hawks give Collins his 25 million per and in a year or two are back near the cap

If I'm the Hawks or a Hawks fan, I'd be feeling some pressure, because the team went in on FA and trades and are SUPPOSED to be good, but instead don't have home court advantage against a Knicks team comprised of Randle, Still not very good RJ, busted up 2nd string C's, aging Derrick Rose, some journeymen wings, all led by an angry dinosaur coach.

Knicks playing with house money. They are just about as good as the Hawks, with multiple picks and tons of cap space and a year behind, at least, in the same process.

Nice post.

I’m a need you not to call another grown man Sweet Lou though. I’ll allow Lemon Pepper Lou. Some of the stories about him I hear from Atlanta make me want to call him Tangy Lou, but then I’d have to ‘pause.’

I’ll admit I’m one of those Knicks fans getting a little too cocky. I was surprised to learn Atlanta is actually favored. That said, Knicks weren’t supposed to win but 19 games or something according to those same Vegas counters. Those guys do tend to know a lot of things about the coaches and players were not privy to as the public, we’ve all seen Casino, so seeing us as the underdogs means they must know something we don’t. That’s fine. Like you said, anyone claiming we would be this good with this much cash and extra picks is a damn lie. Saying you don’t care if we get swept is a bit too far imo. Second round vs the Sixers, maybe, but not these Hawks lol.

I think they probably resign/match any offer Collins gets because it won’t be easy replacing his production. It might be better to overpay for them. We’ve seen that story before.

Thanks. I'll avoid any Lou Williams nicknames!
Yeah, I'd be a little upset if the Knicks lose, no less get swept, but it's still house money, as we are both saying.

I'm not sure of the details, but Hawks are currently 6 million over the cap. I'm sure they won't be that far over next year, but Collins is probably looking for 25 million per, or whatever he's allowed max. Allowing for some contracts to drop off, that's probably 15 million over the cap for at least a season.

Not sure a Trae/Collins/Huerter/Hunter/Bogs/Capella team is all that great. I mean, as a Knick fan, even last year I'd take it in a second. It's a GOOD team for sure though.

[NewKnicks]

I get that being a Knicks fan we're all biased, but a lot of people are acting like this series is going to be a cakewalk. The Hawks won 7 out of their last eight. They were one of the hottest teams to end the season.

Facing Atlanta was definitely my preference of the three by far, but this series is going to be a battle. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it goes to seven games. I didn't want to face the Bucks for obvious reasons, and I didn't want to face a Heat team that was in the Finals just last year.

We earned the right to play Atlanta and have home court advantage, but this is going to be really tough series. We haven't earned anything yet.

All that said, what a great moment for this franchise. I'm picking the Knicks in 7.

[NewKnicks]

Expect Trae Young to get a lot of BS calls. You know it's coming..

[NewKnicks]

So the Knicks are only allowed 10% capacity in MSG, but the Hawks are allowed 45% at home? Wtf is that? So MSG is way more dangerous to enter than Atlanta's stadium? How ridiculous is that. That in it's own right gives the Hawks a huge advantage (assuming they fill the full 45%).

[NewKnicks]

https://nypost.com/2021/04/19/ny-increasing-capacity-at-arenas/

This says starting May 19th MSG can be at 25% capacity, although I could've sworn I heard on the telecast it was going to be 30%. ESPN got lazy and used the current allow capacity.

How do they even decide on those numbers? Wouldn't it be easier to just allow everyone who is fully vaccinated into the arena?

Ready for those Vaccine Passports? "Where are your papers, sir".

No thanks.

[NewKnicks]

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Damn that looks good.