PG - oh no, we suck again

[god shammgod]

This all goes back to the nightmare that was the 2019 offseason.

What we're seeing are just the residual effects of that summer.

Knicks:

> Entered the lottery with the best odds to land the #1 pick, fell back to #3
> Missed out on two generational prospects at #1 and #2, passed on a great talent in Garland to draft a bust in RJ
> Missed out on KD and Kyrie, who signed with the neighbor Nets to add insult to injury
> Signed Elfrid Payton and Julius Randle

Just a complete and utter disaster all-around.

would Zion have been better? dude has barely played. just shows much luck is a factor in the draft.

and if you called the pelicans and offered rj for zion they'd still laugh at you

[Chanel Bomber]

This all goes back to the nightmare that was the 2019 offseason.

What we're seeing are just the residual effects of that summer.

Knicks:

> Entered the lottery with the best odds to land the #1 pick, fell back to #3
> Missed out on two generational prospects at #1 and #2, passed on a great talent in Garland to draft a bust in RJ
> Missed out on KD and Kyrie, who signed with the neighbor Nets to add insult to injury
> Signed Elfrid Payton and Julius Randle

Just a complete and utter disaster all-around.

would Zion have been better? dude has barely played. just shows much luck is a factor in the draft.

Realistically speaking 20 games of Zion is worth more than a full season of RJ.

Not to mention, we might have attracted better free agents with Zion here. The raging debate at the time was are we keeping Zion or are we trading him for AD

I think he’s totally unmotivated to play in NO. The team doesn’t have a solid fanbase, he hasn’t played with a respectable point guard since he entered the league, and their GM is incompetent.

That doesn’t excuse the shape that he’s in, but even in this shape he’s better than RJ. If he ever gets in shape, he’ll be the best player in the NBA some day. I’d gamble on that rather than the possibility that RJ becomes merely a solid player, which he is not right now.

[Jimmit79]

Peak RJ is Shandon Anderson with a 3 point shot

Is IQ Howard Eisley?

For me Peak RJ is a guy in hospital with extreme diarrhea.

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[RHODEY]

Can't believe the people debating with me about last year being fake haven't deleted their accounts yet.

Fake season, fake Randle, fake coach of the year. Fake, fake, fake and Rose and Clownperry got hoodwinked into signing Randle a year early for no reason.

Welcome to the 2004 Bobcats.

Real draft pick

It's not too late. If anyone can stubborn their way to 30-52 it's Thibenstein. Getting the 11th pick and scouting or getting lucky is at least a chance to get an top 20 player.



But we'll trade every pick until I'm dead for Dame's withered husk.

It seems like we could miss the playoff by being just a little bit below .500...At this point I just hope we dont trade the only 2 youths that excite me to watch -OBI and IQ - and that we get lucky with a solid pick next year.

[RHODEY]

Knicks now 11th in East. Out of the Play-In already.

If they don’t adjust they will fall below the Raptors and then the Pacers and be a bottom 3 team in the EC

Hard to say what happens, but if there is locker room strife and an inability to play as a team and give more consistent effort on defense the Knicks will surely be in the lottery this year

Which would be a good thing because:

a) Obviously we get a better draft pick than our somewhat talented but poorly constructed team would otherwise warrant.

b) Team players (likely the vets) and coaching would be put under the microscope for under performing.

Someone mentioned that we have a considerable amount of assets - and this is true -but my favorite players to watch- really the only reason I would watch are commonly dangled as trade bait.

Im not sure I'd really wont to watch his team if they moved 2 or more of IQ, OBI or RJ...Just move J.R. IMO, sign Mitch to a reasonable deal (or move him or Noel too) ... wait for Roku to come and play PG ...the rest is workable. At the end of the day I just want a team I can root for.

[nedleeds]

Getting in the lottery would normally be a litmus test that we have nothing resembling a top 20 player on the roster. But I feel like Rose and the CAA mafia will override the basketball people in the end and double down on Gerald Henderson, Al Jefferson and Kemba Walker.

[nedleeds]

Just for fun I checked out the Julius / Big Al comps.

https://stathead.com/tiny/fYIwE

[Chanel Bomber]

Just for fun I checked out the Julius / Big Al comps.

https://stathead.com/tiny/fYIwE

Big Al made an All-NBA team too in Charlotte.

[RHODEY]

Getting in the lottery would normally be a litmus test that we have nothing resembling a top 20 player on the roster. But I feel like Rose and the CAA mafia will override the basketball people in the end and double down on Gerald Henderson, Al Jefferson and Kemba Walker.

I believe Hindsight is 20 20... Even the OBI signing was done when J.R. came off of a meh season. But I like what they were trying to do with Kemba and Fournier.

This FO IMO is smarter than the ones in the past , the question is how much smarter and also how much leeway will they have to make the hard (but correct) choices?

Will they even be allowed to take one step backwards (Trade Randle + other vets) to eventually take 2 steps forward?

[god shammgod]

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That Thibodeau was so quick with the Walker hook makes you wonder about his enthusiasm when the Knicks signed the Bronx native to a two-year, $18 million contract in August after facilitating his buyout from Oklahoma City. Thibodeau likes big point guards and said that spurred Walker’s removal from the landscape.

The Post has learned the Knicks’ enlarged analytics department was influential in encouraging the Walker signing. Walker’s traditional numbers last year with the Celtics were OK (19.3 points, 4.9 assists, 36 percent from 3-point range) despite playing only 43 games because of an arthritic left knee.

Last season, Walker’s pick-and-roll efficiency, isolation efficiency and pull-up shooting numbers were all his worst marks of the past five seasons, according to NBA.com, so it’s surprising analytics executives pushed for the Walker signing.

This season, Walker’s 3-point percentage was excellent but his efficiency brutal, as his minus-122 demonstrated. Walker also carried a league-worst defensive rating among rotations players.

“They felt they needed to make a splash [at point guard],’’ said one NBA personnel man familiar with the Knicks’ thinking. “He can still shoot it. He just needs limited minutes.”

Some scouts contend Julius Randle’s defense has been worse than Walker’s and his play was a prime reason the original starting lineup fared poorly.

While RJ Barrett and Fournier have stopped short of fully endorsing the Walker removal, Randle sounded enthusiastic about the change.

Maybe that’s why Randle finally pointed the finger at himself Saturday after the latest debacle when his sluggish defense was on display again.

Randle issued a call-to-arms proclamation that the team “got to look in the mirror’’ and realize defense drove the Knicks to their 41-31 renaissance season of 2020-21.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Read on Twitter

That Thibodeau was so quick with the Walker hook makes you wonder about his enthusiasm when the Knicks signed the Bronx native to a two-year, $18 million contract in August after facilitating his buyout from Oklahoma City. Thibodeau likes big point guards and said that spurred Walker’s removal from the landscape.

The Post has learned the Knicks’ enlarged analytics department was influential in encouraging the Walker signing. Walker’s traditional numbers last year with the Celtics were OK (19.3 points, 4.9 assists, 36 percent from 3-point range) despite playing only 43 games because of an arthritic left knee.

Last season, Walker’s pick-and-roll efficiency, isolation efficiency and pull-up shooting numbers were all his worst marks of the past five seasons, according to NBA.com, so it’s surprising analytics executives pushed for the Walker signing.

This season, Walker’s 3-point percentage was excellent but his efficiency brutal, as his minus-122 demonstrated. Walker also carried a league-worst defensive rating among rotations players.

“They felt they needed to make a splash [at point guard],’’ said one NBA personnel man familiar with the Knicks’ thinking. “He can still shoot it. He just needs limited minutes.”

Some scouts contend Julius Randle’s defense has been worse than Walker’s and his play was a prime reason the original starting lineup fared poorly.

While RJ Barrett and Fournier have stopped short of fully endorsing the Walker removal, Randle sounded enthusiastic about the change.

Maybe that’s why Randle finally pointed the finger at himself Saturday after the latest debacle when his sluggish defense was on display again.

Randle issued a call-to-arms proclamation that the team “got to look in the mirror’’ and realize defense drove the Knicks to their 41-31 renaissance season of 2020-21.

Our analytics department is complete and utter garbage.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Read on Twitter

That Thibodeau was so quick with the Walker hook makes you wonder about his enthusiasm when the Knicks signed the Bronx native to a two-year, $18 million contract in August after facilitating his buyout from Oklahoma City. Thibodeau likes big point guards and said that spurred Walker’s removal from the landscape.

The Post has learned the Knicks’ enlarged analytics department was influential in encouraging the Walker signing. Walker’s traditional numbers last year with the Celtics were OK (19.3 points, 4.9 assists, 36 percent from 3-point range) despite playing only 43 games because of an arthritic left knee.

Last season, Walker’s pick-and-roll efficiency, isolation efficiency and pull-up shooting numbers were all his worst marks of the past five seasons, according to NBA.com, so it’s surprising analytics executives pushed for the Walker signing.

This season, Walker’s 3-point percentage was excellent but his efficiency brutal, as his minus-122 demonstrated. Walker also carried a league-worst defensive rating among rotations players.

“They felt they needed to make a splash [at point guard],’’ said one NBA personnel man familiar with the Knicks’ thinking. “He can still shoot it. He just needs limited minutes.”

Some scouts contend Julius Randle’s defense has been worse than Walker’s and his play was a prime reason the original starting lineup fared poorly.

While RJ Barrett and Fournier have stopped short of fully endorsing the Walker removal, Randle sounded enthusiastic about the change.

Maybe that’s why Randle finally pointed the finger at himself Saturday after the latest debacle when his sluggish defense was on display again.

Randle issued a call-to-arms proclamation that the team “got to look in the mirror’’ and realize defense drove the Knicks to their 41-31 renaissance season of 2020-21.

And so it begins. It sounds like someone is throwing the analytics department under the bus. What about the rest of the signings? They actually seem like just as big of a problem if not worse.

[F N 11]

RJ getting benched for Rose. We all knew another scapegoat was coming.

[mpharris36]

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That Thibodeau was so quick with the Walker hook makes you wonder about his enthusiasm when the Knicks signed the Bronx native to a two-year, $18 million contract in August after facilitating his buyout from Oklahoma City. Thibodeau likes big point guards and said that spurred Walker’s removal from the landscape.

The Post has learned the Knicks’ enlarged analytics department was influential in encouraging the Walker signing. Walker’s traditional numbers last year with the Celtics were OK (19.3 points, 4.9 assists, 36 percent from 3-point range) despite playing only 43 games because of an arthritic left knee.

Last season, Walker’s pick-and-roll efficiency, isolation efficiency and pull-up shooting numbers were all his worst marks of the past five seasons, according to NBA.com, so it’s surprising analytics executives pushed for the Walker signing.

This season, Walker’s 3-point percentage was excellent but his efficiency brutal, as his minus-122 demonstrated. Walker also carried a league-worst defensive rating among rotations players.

“They felt they needed to make a splash [at point guard],’’ said one NBA personnel man familiar with the Knicks’ thinking. “He can still shoot it. He just needs limited minutes.”

Some scouts contend Julius Randle’s defense has been worse than Walker’s and his play was a prime reason the original starting lineup fared poorly.

While RJ Barrett and Fournier have stopped short of fully endorsing the Walker removal, Randle sounded enthusiastic about the change.

Maybe that’s why Randle finally pointed the finger at himself Saturday after the latest debacle when his sluggish defense was on display again.

Randle issued a call-to-arms proclamation that the team “got to look in the mirror’’ and realize defense drove the Knicks to their 41-31 renaissance season of 2020-21.

And so it begins. It sounds like someone is throwing the analytics department under the bus. What about the rest of the signings? They actually seem like just as big of a problem if not worse.

the on/off splits for Randle are scary bad

on the court:

OFF Rating: 107.4
DEF Rating: 112.2
NET Rating: -4.7

off the court:

OFF Rating: 118.1
DEF Rating: 103.3
NET Rating: +14.7

NET difference between on and off the court Randles impact is nearly -20pts (19.5 to be exact ) per 100 possessions

[F N 11]

Read on Twitter

That Thibodeau was so quick with the Walker hook makes you wonder about his enthusiasm when the Knicks signed the Bronx native to a two-year, $18 million contract in August after facilitating his buyout from Oklahoma City. Thibodeau likes big point guards and said that spurred Walker’s removal from the landscape.

The Post has learned the Knicks’ enlarged analytics department was influential in encouraging the Walker signing. Walker’s traditional numbers last year with the Celtics were OK (19.3 points, 4.9 assists, 36 percent from 3-point range) despite playing only 43 games because of an arthritic left knee.

Last season, Walker’s pick-and-roll efficiency, isolation efficiency and pull-up shooting numbers were all his worst marks of the past five seasons, according to NBA.com, so it’s surprising analytics executives pushed for the Walker signing.

This season, Walker’s 3-point percentage was excellent but his efficiency brutal, as his minus-122 demonstrated. Walker also carried a league-worst defensive rating among rotations players.

“They felt they needed to make a splash [at point guard],’’ said one NBA personnel man familiar with the Knicks’ thinking. “He can still shoot it. He just needs limited minutes.”

Some scouts contend Julius Randle’s defense has been worse than Walker’s and his play was a prime reason the original starting lineup fared poorly.

While RJ Barrett and Fournier have stopped short of fully endorsing the Walker removal, Randle sounded enthusiastic about the change.

Maybe that’s why Randle finally pointed the finger at himself Saturday after the latest debacle when his sluggish defense was on display again.

Randle issued a call-to-arms proclamation that the team “got to look in the mirror’’ and realize defense drove the Knicks to their 41-31 renaissance season of 2020-21.

Berman be trolling but he know what he talking about on this one.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Read on Twitter

And so it begins. It sounds like someone is throwing the analytics department under the bus. What about the rest of the signings? They actually seem like just as big of a problem if not worse.

the on/off splits for Randle are scary bad

on the court:

OFF Rating: 107.4
DEF Rating: 112.2
NET Rating: -4.7

off the court:

OFF Rating: 118.1
DEF Rating: 103.3
NET Rating: +14.7

NET difference between on and off the court Randles impact is nearly -20pts (19.5 to be exact ) per 100 possessions

Everyone forcing Melo to look at the numbers

[Chanel Bomber]

There's the problem, now people are pointing fingers for specific moves like the Kemba signing, but it's the combination of numerous mistakes all-around that led us to this.

It goes from extending Randle, to trusting RJ as a core piece, to signing Fournier, to not making a move for a PG until washed Kemba became available because no one wanted him...

Our entire starting line-up is rotten.

The notion that Randle's a #1 or #2 is laughable. He's a 6th man or an average starter on a good team that doesn't rely entirely on its bench. RJ is not an NBA starter. Kemba is washed. Fournier is a defensive liability and a bench player on a good team.

This all shows the lack of vision from Leon Rose. He's neither a basketball savant nor an analytics expert - he's a guy who knows people. That's it. This franchise has no sense of direction whatsoever.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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And so it begins. It sounds like someone is throwing the analytics department under the bus. What about the rest of the signings? They actually seem like just as big of a problem if not worse.

the on/off splits for Randle are scary bad

on the court:

OFF Rating: 107.4
DEF Rating: 112.2
NET Rating: -4.7

off the court:

OFF Rating: 118.1
DEF Rating: 103.3
NET Rating: +14.7

NET difference between on and off the court Randles impact is nearly -20pts (19.5 to be exact ) per 100 possessions

The bench has been outplaying the starters. RJ, Randle and Fournier have all been playing pretty bad. I get making a change with Kemba since he didn't look great either and you have to start somewhere. Kemba was the easiest to bench out of all of them. But there are more issues then just Kemba. Randle not playing as well as last year is a big one.

[JBreezeNY]

There's the problem, now people are pointing fingers for specific moves like the Kemba signing, but it's the combination of numerous mistakes all-around that led us to this.

It goes from extending Randle, to trusting RJ as a core piece, to signing Fournier, to not making a move for a PG until washed Kemba became available because no one wanted him...

Our entire starting line-up is rotten.

The notion that Randle's a #1 or #2 is laughable. He's a 6th man or an average starter on a good team that doesn't rely entirely on its bench. RJ is not an NBA starter. Kemba is washed. Fournier is a defensive liability and a bench player on a good team.

This all shows the lack of vision from Leon Rose. He's neither a basketball savant nor an analytics expert - he's a guy who knows people. That's it. This franchise has no sense of direction whatsoever.

When you start looking at coaches & players you’re already falling into the trap.

Who hired the coach?

Who is in charge of the players being on the roster?

Destroy the root not the tree branch.

Also.

Spoiler:

I hate you allllllllllllllll

[F N 11]

And so it begins. It sounds like someone is throwing the analytics department under the bus. What about the rest of the signings? They actually seem like just as big of a problem if not worse.

the on/off splits for Randle are scary bad

on the court:

OFF Rating: 107.4
DEF Rating: 112.2
NET Rating: -4.7

off the court:

OFF Rating: 118.1
DEF Rating: 103.3
NET Rating: +14.7

NET difference between on and off the court Randles impact is nearly -20pts (19.5 to be exact ) per 100 possessions

Everyone forcing Melo to look at the numbers

Numbers that matter. Not that empty 20 10 and 5