PG Welcome back Randle!!!!

[RHODEY]

Trade Obi if he still has value

The Knicks could trade any of Grimes, IQ or Obi and I could care less now.

I get we all get sentimental for the homegrown players and yes, they could still develop. They've had decent seasons.
But in the right trade, to get a player that makes a real difference in the playoffs or games that are played with intensity?
They can be sent packing.

I like they got Hart. Just cost Cam Rubbish and a pick.
Now add Donte D and it makes either IQ or Grimes more expendable IF there is a good trade.
I'm 100% sure Isiah Roby can replace what the Knicks ask Obi to do.

Donte D? He's nothing special.

[2010]

Vincent shot 33% from 3 this year on 5 attempts a game and 34% for his career.

IQ shot 37% this year on 5 attemps a game. 37% for his career.

Vincent doesn't hesitate. IQ does. To me the difference is mental, not ability.

Vincent also has the ability to play through his struggles. He was what 1-7 to start...he had an awful first half...but then came alive in the second.

I'm not saying IQ should have some crazy leash. I'm just trying to find a way to get him going. And the one thing I notice from the regular season to the playoffs is when he is checking in and how that is effecting his confidence.

I think we all agree to get past the heat we are going to need either him or Grimes to start giving us much better minutes. Heat are so guard oriented...we need our young guards to help out. Especially against Vincent...IQ and grimes are best suited to guard someone like him.

I totally agree that IQ and Grimes should be playing on defensive merit alone. I just think they need to shoot without thinking about it.

If you notice, Grimes in particular is being sped up every time he shoots from 3. He’s rushing his shot anticipating the close out, instead of just trusting his release.

IQ on the other hand is just not being his normal confident self. He is being consumed by the moment. He just needs to relax and treat these games like the regular season.

With both of them it’s mental.

[robillionaire]

Winners don’t make excuses when they lose with a player out. I understand he brings gravity and his presence is beneficial to other by giving them daylight. But the essence of what I was saying is we still have enough to win when he is/was out. No excuses. It’s a loser’s mentality to cry about who isn’t/wasn’t available after a loss.

So we should all ignore that Jimmy butler didn’t play last night because hypothetically they could have won without him

Did you see the Heat fold or tuck their tail cuz they were missing Jimmy, Herro, and Dipo?

Or did they give just us a helluva game with what they had?

Did the Spurs ring in 99 get an asterisk cuz Ewing didn’t play?

Well I don’t think the Knicks folded in game 1 either. They fought hard. I kinda agree I’m not saying it’s an end all be all excuse for losing the game. But still fair to hope we’d get some extra ammo in the upcoming games with the return of an all star

[robillionaire]

Vincent also has the ability to play through his struggles. He was what 1-7 to start...he had an awful first half...but then came alive in the second.

I'm not saying IQ should have some crazy leash. I'm just trying to find a way to get him going. And the one thing I notice from the regular season to the playoffs is when he is checking in and how that is effecting his confidence.

I think we all agree to get past the heat we are going to need either him or Grimes to start giving us much better minutes. Heat are so guard oriented...we need our young guards to help out. Especially against Vincent...IQ and grimes are best suited to guard someone like him.

I totally agree that IQ and Grimes should be playing on defensive merit alone. I just think they need to shoot without thinking about it.

If you notice, Grimes in particular is being sped up every time he shoots from 3. He’s rushing his shot anticipating the close out, instead of just trusting his release.

IQ on the other hand is just not being his normal confident self. He is being consumed by the moment. He just needs to relax and treat these games like the regular season.

With both of them it’s mental.

IQ only played 9 minutes, he did score on all 3 of his drives, unfortunately he missed all his 3s and had 2 turnovers. But I mean how is he gonna get in a groove playing 9 mins. Thibs basically already gave up on him and his confidence is probably shot to some extent

[2010]

I totally agree that IQ and Grimes should be playing on defensive merit alone. I just think they need to shoot without thinking about it.

If you notice, Grimes in particular is being sped up every time he shoots from 3. He’s rushing his shot anticipating the close out, instead of just trusting his release.

IQ on the other hand is just not being his normal confident self. He is being consumed by the moment. He just needs to relax and treat these games like the regular season.

With both of them it’s mental.

IQ only played 9 minutes, he did score on all 3 of his drives, unfortunately he missed all his 3s and had 2 turnovers. But I mean how is he gonna get in a groove playing 9 mins. Thibs basically already gave up on him and his confidence is probably shot to some extent

I don’t think he gave up on him. But these games are crucial. Every minute counts. IQ has to show him he has something or else Thibs is going to look to someone else. The leash couldn’t be the same as it was in game 1 or the regular season cuz we couldn’t risk getting down 0-2 on our home turf.

You don’t want another Starks scenario where we stick with a guy for too long.

[3toheadmelo]

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[spree2kawhi]

On the plus side:

Brunson/Randle/RJ all had good games

On the negative side:

If we need all 3 to have good games, and RJ/Brunson to shoot over 50% from 3 combined in order to beat a Jimmy Butler-less Heat, we might be in trouble.

The roster they put out there was so trash even Houston or Detroit would’ve beaten them.

I’m not even saying this team couldn’t beat the Heat with Butler, but this will be a very difficult series for a Knicks team that seems to have peaked.

[GONYK]

I think very important context for the conversation that's taking place in this thread is that we are the youngest team in the playoffs right now.

All of this will only get better.

[2010]

I think very important context for the conversation that's taking place in this thread is that we are the youngest team in the playoffs right now.

All of this will only get better.

Yup, gotta go through this process. We are getting baptized by fire right now. And the Heat are a very experienced foe. Even without Jimmy they gotta be respected cuz they battled like a wounded animal in game 2 and they’re well coached.

If we are to get past them, we’ll definitely have earned it!

[HEZI]

IQ has the same mindset as Jordan Poole and he’s nowhere as talented and even that guy is a nut with his shot selection. Quickly takes awful shots and has no idea how to run an offense especially in a playoff setting. He wasted so much clock just dribbling without a purpose and then the times he does make a quick decision it’s usually an awful shot early in the shot clock with the defense on him. He shouldn’t be running the offense, if anything he can maybe play some off the ball and just spot up but Knicks need to find a way to get the ball out of his hands and have someone else handle the rock

[thebuzzardman]

Trade Obi if he still has value

The Knicks could trade any of Grimes, IQ or Obi and I could care less now.

I get we all get sentimental for the homegrown players and yes, they could still develop. They've had decent seasons.
But in the right trade, to get a player that makes a real difference in the playoffs or games that are played with intensity?
They can be sent packing.

I like they got Hart. Just cost Cam Rubbish and a pick.
Now add Donte D and it makes either IQ or Grimes more expendable IF there is a good trade.
I'm 100% sure Isiah Roby can replace what the Knicks ask Obi to do.

Donte D? He's nothing special.

He's another solid guard that enables them to put some of the others in a trade for a better wing

[thebuzzardman]

I totally agree that IQ and Grimes should be playing on defensive merit alone. I just think they need to shoot without thinking about it.

If you notice, Grimes in particular is being sped up every time he shoots from 3. He’s rushing his shot anticipating the close out, instead of just trusting his release.

IQ on the other hand is just not being his normal confident self. He is being consumed by the moment. He just needs to relax and treat these games like the regular season.

With both of them it’s mental.

IQ only played 9 minutes, he did score on all 3 of his drives, unfortunately he missed all his 3s and had 2 turnovers. But I mean how is he gonna get in a groove playing 9 mins. Thibs basically already gave up on him and his confidence is probably shot to some extent

RJ sat most of the 4th because the Knicks have some kind of depth (could be better) and then IQ sat a lot because RJ has stepped it up and Hart is more reliable. It's a good problem to have, the ability to sit guys who NEED rest or a better defender in for them - RJ, or to basically bench a guy who doesn't really have it going - IQ.

Knicks still need to upgrade their bench anyway. That's for the offseason.

[Clyde_Style]

We played 2 horrible games and came out 1-1. Hopefully got that out of our system. Just need to steal 1 in Miami.

Somebody other than the mid three and Hart needs to step up on O. Heat role players are ready and firing away. Ours seem shook.

That's how we got here. Will need them kids to rise up if they want to continue

[3toheadmelo]

much props to RJ. i didnt think it was possible for him to change his whole mindset but it happened. keep it up!

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[Bob Ross]

Like to hear that from Julius

[sol537]

I would try to move IQ into the starting line-up as the SG and move Hart back to the bench. This would give the bench a boost and IQ could play in his more natural off-ball role and maybe we can kill two birds with one stone. Remember that IQ played his best in a starting role during the season. JB / IQ / RJ / Randle / Mitch then iHart, Hart, Grimes off the bench with some McBride sprinkled in and you have your 8-9 man playoff rotation.

[dakomish23]

This was huge

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Rare game where Brunson Randle RJ all have huge ouptut but this will be remembered as the Hartenstein game

[dakomish23]

I would try to move IQ into the starting line-up as the SG and move Hart back to the bench. This would give the bench a boost and IQ could play in his more natural off-ball role and maybe we can kill two birds with one stone. Remember that IQ played his best in a starting role during the season. JB / IQ / RJ / Randle / Mitch then iHart, Hart, Grimes off the bench with some McBride sprinkled in and you have your 8-9 man playoff rotation.

I’d rather have Grimes b/c IQ, IMO, will be another guy who needs the ball in his hands when we already struggle with Brunson Randle RJ

[dakomish23]

If you notice, Grimes in particular is being sped up every time he shoots from 3. He’s rushing his shot anticipating the close out, instead of just trusting his release.

IQ on the other hand is just not being his normal confident self. He is being consumed by the moment. He just needs to relax and treat these games like the regular season.

With both of them it’s mental.

IQ only played 9 minutes, he did score on all 3 of his drives, unfortunately he missed all his 3s and had 2 turnovers. But I mean how is he gonna get in a groove playing 9 mins. Thibs basically already gave up on him and his confidence is probably shot to some extent

RJ sat most of the 4th because the Knicks have some kind of depth (could be better) and then IQ sat a lot because RJ has stepped it up and Hart is more reliable. It's a good problem to have, the ability to sit guys who NEED rest or a better defender in for them - RJ, or to basically bench a guy who doesn't really have it going - IQ.

Knicks still need to upgrade their bench anyway. That's for the offseason.

Murray in the draft
Donte in FA

[mpharris36]

I think very important context for the conversation that's taking place in this thread is that we are the youngest team in the playoffs right now.

All of this will only get better.

Yes, I do tend to forget that...all our guys are basically going through these moments for the first time. Miami is a much more experienced team.