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KAT To The Knicks Part 2

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#481 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:37 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:people will look for **** to hate on randle like they have nothing better to do in life. when you root harder against specific players than you root for the team, its a bit sad :D

just because he smacked a notebook/tablet and thumbs downed the fans for booing him. ridiculous.

never about that. I didn't really care about that at all.

It was his selfish playstyle, low bball IQ, lazy lazy lazy defense 99% of the time where he'd shrug and stare down his own teammates like it was their fault meanwhile it was clearly his poor defensive effort and crumbling in the post season when the team needed him most that made a lot of us dislike him. he was a very frustrating player to watch.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#482 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:38 pm

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It's funny because I've got hella clips of terrible KAT defense in my bookmarks I've been collecting for 8 years. He's so awful it's actually fascinating to watch. Never expected us to trade for him especially not with Thibs coaching.

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#483 » by JayTWill » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:44 pm

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It's funny because I've got hella clips of terrible KAT defense in my bookmarks I've been collecting for 8 years. He's so awful it's actually fascinating to watch. Never expected us to trade for him especially not with Thibs coaching.

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#484 » by Fat Kat » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:44 pm





He had to go. It was like walking on eggshells around this dude. Chemistry will be a lot better.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#485 » by Phish Tank » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:52 pm

Lot of moving parts here and we almost have to break it down piece by piece by piece by piece.

Defense: Yes, defense is certainly a question with Towns. However, it's very important to note that defense would've remained an issue even if Randle was here. We'd have the same problems especially with Mitch out the first 3 months. The defense aspect of things wouldn't be any better.

I'm a bit more optimistic with the Towns/Thibs 2.0 reunion. For one, I think a lot of the gaffes and breakdowns we saw throughout his tenure in Minnesota will be cleaned up as Thibs has adapted as a coach and Towns has matured as a player over time. I think the change of scenery & returning home will make more of a difference than anything. I think being around a more mature leader such as Brunson will be huge for KAT. I felt like KAT had to be that defacto leader of sorts because of tenure, contract, etc. Yes, I know Conley was on the Wolves and Derrick Rose too, but this feels a little different. I think there's a delineation that he is the 2nd option here in New York and that'll help him improve in areas such as defense.

On the flipside, I think he'll be surrounded by some of the best defenders he has ever had as teammates. Yes, I know Gobert was DPOY last year. But the collective will also ease the general defensive burden he would have to carry and he can focus on those areas. I think that's the opposite with Randle only because I think he would have way too much to prove this season. It's the opposite with KAT.

Offense: I think this can't be discounted. We're going to be a way more efficient basketball team on offense.This will exponentially help our defense. It's not just Brunson that'll reap the benefits. Josh Hart will also reap the benefits by having a lot more spacing at all times. Mikal & OG will reap the benefits with cuts and such. KAT can stretch defenses beyond the 3 point line. The pick and pop game will be absolutely nasty. There will be a lot of lineup flexibility with staggering so we don't have dry spells in the 2nd unit. I really think this outweighs the concerns on defense.

DDV/Depth: Lot of people bring up this concern too. Honestly, I think that the benefit that KAT provides on offense outweighs what we end up losing by trading DDV because we have a "next man up" mentality. I think Deuce will be ready to be that sniper from 3 that DDV provided, plus be a pest on defense. I think Cam Payne or Tyler Kolek will slot in at the PG position. I'm sure we'll find a backup wing of sorts. Precious is ready. I'm a bit less concerned about this because we are known to find guys ready to play.

Randle: I think a lot of people bring up that KAT isn't entirely better than Randle in a vacuum. I think that may be fair. But I just think the uncertainty of Randle playing in a contract and us being in a 2nd apron position as it is left us with no choice to trade him. I don't think the options in the future were really that much better than KAT (no - Giannis is not going to be available to us). I think this is the sacrifice worth making to help us not only compete against Boston, but also Milwaukee, Miami, and Philly.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#486 » by Pr0nzingis » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:52 pm

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It's funny because I've got hella clips of terrible KAT defense in my bookmarks I've been collecting for 8 years. He's so awful it's actually fascinating to watch. Never expected us to trade for him especially not with Thibs coaching.

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What a dumb post...

First video, yes he loses his man, but its not the guy that is open that scores. Other video is just fast break baskets. I learned nothing.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#487 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:53 pm

When is the trade going to be finalized? Is it completely done etc?
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#488 » by aggo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:54 pm

Thibs really hustled you all by constantly praising Julius publicly, calling him the team's engine and warrior.

All the while he was never named captain of the team. Brunson was

Then Thibs let Leon trade him for a player Thibs once questioned the heart of.



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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#489 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:55 pm

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Besart19 wrote:if we didnt lose Donte this trade could been a landslide win


The loss of white donte is being overblown. While I get it sucks losing a player you like it will have little to no impact on the teams success.

He's one of the 5 biggest spot up threats in the league and when Randle went out he averaged 21/4/3 on 58 TS% when Randle was out (4.6/12 from deep per night!) and averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs on 56 TS% while maintaining his overall efficiency (his turnovers were down in the playoffs so he had a 120 ORTG in both the playoffs and regular season).

It cannot be understated how much losing Donte brings our offense back. The only players over him in expected points off spot up attempts (which takes efficiency and volume into account to determine how many points the player contributed above the median player) are PG13, Norman Powell, CJ McCollum, and Jalen Brunson.

It really can't be understated how much having 2 of the 5 most dangerous spot up threats carried our offense and made things easy for people and the idea of a 5 out offense with Josh Hart at the 2 instead of Donte is laughable. Maybe we'll have the use Deuce, but last year is by far his best season spotting up can he recreate that?

Also I'll mention this again, Donte scored more PPG against Indy than KAT has ever scored against anybody in the playoffs at 1/5th of his cost. There's a reason Minny wanted him, and it's because when you take contracts into account he's the most valuable player in the deal. Minny has a great squad now.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#490 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:59 pm

Since we wanna post KAT(from 2017 no less) bad defensive clips and talk about how horrible KAT is on D, as if Randle was a defensive savant or something.. (and guess what Randle ranked in the 22nd percentile in defense which is VERY VERY bad, Kat was 82nd percentile, which ain't great but isn't horrible.)

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#491 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:59 pm

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What a dumb post...

First video, yes he loses his man, but its not the guy that is open that scores. Other video is just fast break baskets. I learned nothing.

What are you watching? In the first clip he gets lost on the floor so Taj has to shade to the corner leading to an open Ben Simmons dunk (KAT should've recognized Simmons open near the rim and ran to guard that so Taj can go to the corner).

The second clip KAT is back pedaling while his man sprints by him in transition.

It's two clips but they show his biggest flaw as a C, he has no awareness of where people are on the court. That "guard the rim" instinct is not there the only player close to as clueless that I've seen before is Amar'e.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#492 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:00 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:Since we wanna post KAT bad defensive clips as if Randle was a defensive savant or something.. (and guess what Randle ranked in the 22nd percentile in defense which is VERY VERY bad, Kat was 82nd percentile.

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This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#494 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:01 pm

Like goddamn let's discuss Karl-Anthony Towns. The man making $224 million the next 4 years. The subject of the thread. Not the guy who was on the bench half of last season.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#495 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:02 pm

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Im Coming Home wrote:Since we wanna post KAT bad defensive clips as if Randle was a defensive savant or something.. (and guess what Randle ranked in the 22nd percentile in defense which is VERY VERY bad, Kat was 82nd percentile.

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This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#496 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:02 pm

E-Balla wrote:Like goddamn let's discuss Karl-Anthony Towns. The man making $224 million the next 4 years. The subject of the thread. Not the guy who was on the bench half of last season.

Subject of the thread is the Randle/Divo for KAT trade. This isn't a KAT only discussion thread genius.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#497 » by KnixinSix » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:03 pm

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It's funny because I've got hella clips of terrible KAT defense in my bookmarks I've been collecting for 8 years. He's so awful it's actually fascinating to watch. Never expected us to trade for him especially not with Thibs coaching.

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2017? KAT in 2017 on defense was a very different player than KAT in 2024 . Players grow and often improve, he has especially on defense
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#498 » by KnixinSix » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:04 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Im Coming Home wrote:Since we wanna post KAT bad defensive clips as if Randle was a defensive savant or something.. (and guess what Randle ranked in the 22nd percentile in defense which is VERY VERY bad, Kat was 82nd percentile.

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This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.


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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#499 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:08 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:
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Im Coming Home wrote:Since we wanna post KAT bad defensive clips as if Randle was a defensive savant or something.. (and guess what Randle ranked in the 22nd percentile in defense which is VERY VERY bad, Kat was 82nd percentile.

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This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.

I posted some clips about KAT's defense. You said "since we wanna post KAT defense clips as if Randle..." And right there I stopped reading because I didn't post clips because of Randle. The clips I sent had nothing to do with Randle. Stop deflecting. That **** not on the team.

And if you're going to post **** in direct responses to me don't get mad I tell you you're deflecting and posting nonsense when you are. Nobody said Randle was a good defender in here. Nobody implied it. Randle being a bad defender doesn't make KAT more worth $56 million a year.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#500 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:09 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Like goddamn let's discuss Karl-Anthony Towns. The man making $224 million the next 4 years. The subject of the thread. Not the guy who was on the bench half of last season.

Subject of the thread is the Randle/Divo for KAT trade. This isn't a KAT only discussion thread genius.

Be man enough to type direct rebuttals instead of doing the hoe **** next time.

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