BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

Im Coming Home · Post #4881 » by **Im Coming Home** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:16 am

NY2TheBay wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
The exception doesn't make the rule. You're arguing against math. You're employing the same logic the schmucks who spend their hard earned money on lottery tickets every week do.

That a late round pick, or a second rounder CAN turn into a good player is not in dispute. But it is a long-shot. There is little disputing this math.

My sentiments as well as most.

And 1 to you, sir.

This, for every Gilbert Arenas there are Josh Selbys/Other scrubs who never even touch an NBA court.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4882 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:17 am

StephNYKurry wrote:We traded Kenyon and Cope for Bargs?

Kenyon signed elsewhere?

We should have waited on Kenyon before making this move. Toronto's offer wasn't going anywhere. If we lose Kenyon and can't replace him, we're going into TC with a weaker team.

suicidedeuce · Post #4883 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:17 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Finding a 2nd rounder that is rotational is not as uncommon as you think.

Fair enough, I'm up for a good, empirical discussion and I'm ready to learn something.

How common is it? Cite the math you're referring to.

I'm assuming since you're a mod you have SOME idea the parameters of your argument and aren't just expressing your vague, unspecified impressions.

StephNYKurry · Post #4884 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:18 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:We traded Kenyon and Cope for Bargs?

Kenyon signed elsewhere?

We should have waited on Kenyon before making this move. Toronto's offer wasn't going anywhere. If we lose Kenyon and can't replace him, we're going into TC with a weaker team.

What does Kenyon have to do with the move?

Post #4885 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:20 am

suicidedeuce wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Finding a 2nd rounder that is rotational is not as uncommon as you think.

Fair enough, I'm up for a good, empirical discussion and I'm ready to learn something.

How common is it? Cite the math you're referring to.

I'm assuming since you're a mod you have SOME idea the parameters of your argument and aren't just expressing your vague, unspecified impressions.

You have the same data as i do. :lol:

You know it isnt uncommon.

We're talking about a "rotational" player....not an all-star or even a starter......rotational.

Italians in NBA · Post #4886 » by **Italians in NBA** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:20 am

Watch this and wait 20 games before bashing him.

An healthy and in shape Andrea will do it again and for the Knicks!

He can score from deep, in the low post, driving to the basket. He can pass to the teammates and can creat a lot of spaces for the other players. All the teammates are going to benefit from his presence on the floor and Andrea not being the first option will be a lot more efficient, in a better team with a better coach, in a better arena with better fans.

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ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4887 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:21 am

StephNYKurry wrote:What does Kenyon have to do with the move?

If we lose Kenyon and can't get anybody for the rest of the mmle, we have no other way of acquiring a back-up C.

Had we waited, we could have shopped Camby + pick or just kept Camby.

Solidifying the front-court was a bigger priority than getting another JR.

BOOMbip · Post #4888 » by **BOOMbip** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:22 am

Yea.... cause everyone knows that a couple of late second rounders get you players like LeBron and Howard cause second rounders are the same as lottery picks. Come on folks, try it, it's easy when you don't have to be accountable to reality!!! The Knicks should be stock piling second rounders from 50-60 cause everyone knows that lottery teams will give them their first rounders for a couple!.... :lol:

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4889 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:24 am

BOOMbip wrote:Yea.... cause everyone knows that a couple of late second rounders get you players like LeBron and Howard cause second rounders are the same as lottery picks. Come on folks, try it, it's easy when you don't have to be accountable to reality!!!

As if they are only valuable if they can get you superstars?

ezmoney707 · Post #4890 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:25 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:We traded Kenyon and Cope for Bargs?

Kenyon signed elsewhere?

We should have waited on Kenyon before making this move. Toronto's offer wasn't going anywhere. If we lose Kenyon and can't replace him, we're going into TC with a weaker team.

1) Kenyon has nothing to do with this deal, what does us trading for Bargs have to do with the ability to sign back Kenyon?

2) The Raptors were looking to get a deal in place before July 1. So no he may have gone else where.

Post #4891 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:26 am

I'm actually wondering how many rotational players were in the playoffs this year ALONE that were drafted beyond 24 or in the second round.

Or even just in the finals.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4892 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:26 am

ezmoney707 wrote:
2) The Raptors were looking to get a deal in place before July 1. So no he may have gone else where.

Nobody was matching our bid. They would have waited.

ezmoney707 · Post #4893 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:26 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:What does Kenyon have to do with the move?

If we lose Kenyon and can't get anybody for the rest of the mmle, we have no other way of acquiring a back-up C.

Had we waited, we could have shopped Camby + pick or just kept Camby.

Solidifying the front-court was a bigger priority than getting another JR.

So there are no more back up centers available anywhere....(Even though Kenyon isn't a center) :lol:

StephNYKurry · Post #4894 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:27 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
BOOMbip wrote:Yea.... cause everyone knows that a couple of late second rounders get you players like LeBron and Howard cause second rounders are the same as lottery picks. Come on folks, try it, it's easy when you don't have to be accountable to reality!!!

As if they are only valuable if they can get you superstars?

That's not the point.

Thugger made a post saying that lottery picks and 2nd rounders are one in the same.

That's just wrong.

Star players and 2nd/3rd options are usually found in the lottery. You don't find that in the 2nd round.

suicidedeuce · Post #4895 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:27 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Finding a 2nd rounder that is rotational is not as uncommon as you think.

Fair enough, I'm up for a good, empirical discussion and I'm ready to learn something.

How common is it? Cite the math you're referring to.

I'm assuming since you're a mod you have SOME idea the parameters of your argument and aren't just expressing your vague, unspecified impressions.

You have the same data as i do.

You know it isnt uncommon.

We're talking about a "rotational" player....not an all-star or even a starter......rotational.

No, I think I DO have more data than you do, which is why I'm asking.

Deflecting the question and using a LOL isn't an answer. That's a child's response.

Cite your information and I will then be glad to compare it to mine and then maybe we can both come out of this better informed, which should be our mutual goal, yes?

If you don't actually have any information and ARE just citing your unsubstantiated impressions, just say so.

ezmoney707 · Post #4896 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:28 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:
2) The Raptors were looking to get a deal in place before July 1. So no he may have gone else where.

Nobody was matching our bid. They would have waited.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?!?!?!?

You don't. Stop talking in absolutes.

suicidedeuce · Post #4897 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:29 am

Thugger HBC wrote:I'm actually wondering how many rotational players were in the playoffs this year ALONE that were drafted beyond 24 or in the second round.

Or even just in the finals.

Hmmm, if only someone would invent something where we could all look up the answers to such questions on our home computer or even our phones.

StephNYKurry · Post #4898 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:31 am

ezmoney707 wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:What does Kenyon have to do with the move?

If we lose Kenyon and can't get anybody for the rest of the mmle, we have no other way of acquiring a back-up C.

Had we waited, we could have shopped Camby + pick or just kept Camby.

Solidifying the front-court was a bigger priority than getting another JR.

So there are no more back up centers available anywhere....(Even though Kenyon isn't a center)

Like Ryan Hollins ain't out there
Like Brandan Wright ain't out there
Like Jason Maxiell ain't out there

Dalembert, Petro, Diop...we could go all day

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4899 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:31 am

ezmoney707 wrote:[
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?!?!?!?

You don't. Stop talking in absolutes.

Ok fine, if there was a risk that Toronto would deal Bargs elsewhere, it's a risk I would have taken. Bargs is not essential. Without him we could have hoped for Stat to be our bench scorer and if he got hurt again, it's not the end of the world to play 10 mpg with JR as the only offense. Especially not in the playoffs where Melo plays almost the whole game.

Not having a back-up C is a much bigger deal, cause you can't control when Tyson gets in foul trouble.

Post #4900 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:32 am

suicidedeuce wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I'm actually wondering how many rotational players were in the playoffs this year ALONE that were drafted beyond 24 or in the second round.

Or even just in the finals.

Hmmm, if only someone would invent something where we could all look up the answers to such questions on our home computer or even our phones.

You could start by just, reviewing rosters.

Like Miami having Lebron, but drafted Chalmers

Or the Spurs who are notorious for finding gems in the latter parts.

Lets start there, or are these exceptions and i shouldnt go further?