BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

StephNYKurry · Post #4921 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:53 am

Bargs...just change your name to Jerome Tyson

JustaKnickFan · Post #4922 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:53 am

StephNYKurry wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:As for 2nd round picks there's....

Chandler Parsons
Draymond Green
Orlando Johnson

That all got minutes on a playoff team, and this isn't counting the lottery teams with good 2nd round picks.

lolwut

Post #4923 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:54 am

somebody needs to close their other windows before they post something they may not want us to see.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4924 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:55 am

ezmoney707 wrote:[
HUH?!?! I really don't understand what your getting at man. You need Amare healthy to win and take you to that next level. Amare isn't a luxury on this team he is a necessity. Now if you combine that with having Bargs it makes that loss a little less rough if he were to go down.

You can't play Bargs and Amare together. The D would be unbearably bad. One has to play with a defensive big, and it's tough to see how we're going to find time for Amare, Bargs, Tyson, another defensive big, plus give Melo minutes at the 4.

ezmoney707 · Post #4925 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:58 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:[
So your willing to trade Camby and 1st round pick for the likes of Robin Lopez, and Glen Davis, but not willing to trade the same for that same package for a guy that is better overall player than both those guys combined you mentioned.

Both of those guys were better than Bargs the past 2 seasons, by quite a wide margin. Even when Bargs was good it's a close call because he gives you nothing on defense and doesn't rebound. Once you accept that hitting contested 18 footers is not a special skill, but just any other ability like defense or rebounding, it's difficult to see why Bargs is so much better than those guys.

Ok I guess I'm done with this debate with you. If you truly believe Robin Lopez or Glen Davis are better than Andrea Bargnani. :nonono:

StephNYKurry · Post #4926 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:58 am

disregard...it was a gif of a dude reaching

don't know what the hell happened

This thread has gotten out of hand lmfao

Post #4927 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:59 am

StephNYKurry wrote::lol:

disregard...it was a gif of a dude reaching

don't know what the hell happened

This thread has gotten out of hand lmfao

yeah...ok.

StephNYKurry · Post #4928 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:00 am

More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

BOOMbip · Post #4929 » by **BOOMbip** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:01 am

The next time one of the Knicks blocks a shot we should get mad that they didnt just go for the rebound and everyone should boo them yelling 'play some defense!'

This is my new philosophy, live by the wisdom of RealGM.

StephNYKurry · Post #4930 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:03 am

BOOMbip wrote:The next time one of the Knicks blocks a shot we should get mad that they didnt just go for the rebound and everyone should boo them yelling 'play some defense!'

This is my new philosophy, live by the wisdom of RealGM.

It's just the same people who want to make themselves feel more intelligent because they feel as though they've uncovered some sort of nuance about the game that has gone otherwise unnoticed.

ezmoney707 · Post #4931 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:03 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:[
HUH?!?! I really don't understand what your getting at man. You need Amare healthy to win and take you to that next level. Amare isn't a luxury on this team he is a necessity. Now if you combine that with having Bargs it makes that loss a little less rough if he were to go down.

You can't play Bargs and Amare together. The D would be unbearably bad. One has to play with a defensive big, and it's tough to see how we're going to find time for Amare, Bargs, Tyson, another defensive big, plus give Melo minutes at the 4.

1)Amare is going nowhere
2)He can't be relied upon to be healthy

So why not get someone that can
A)Replace some of that production.
B)Possibly give you more production.

Who knows what the lineups will be, but do you think Woodson would play Bargs and Amare together for long stretches? He would have a heart attack last year playing Novak and Cope together.

StephNYKurry · Post #4932 » by **StephNYKurry** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:04 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote::lol:

disregard...it was a gif of a dude reaching

don't know what the hell happened

This thread has gotten out of hand lmfao

yeah...ok.

Uh, wouldn't it make sense to remove the posts?

JustaKnickFan · Post #4933 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:04 am

StephNYKurry wrote:More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

Italians in NBA · Post #4934 » by **Italians in NBA** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:05 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:[
So your willing to trade Camby and 1st round pick for the likes of Robin Lopez, and Glen Davis, but not willing to trade the same for that same package for a guy that is better overall player than both those guys combined you mentioned.

Both of those guys were better than Bargs the past 2 seasons, by quite a wide margin. Even when Bargs was good it's a close call because he gives you nothing on defense and doesn't rebound. Once you accept that hitting contested 18 footers is not a special skill, but just any other ability like defense or rebounding, it's difficult to see why Bargs is so much better than those guys.

C'mon guy.
Andrea and Robin Lopez have so different skills (Andrea is better by far)
And in the last seasons Robin and Andrea had these stats:
10-11
Lopez 3.2 RPG 6.4 PPG
Andrea 5.2 RPG 21.4 PPG
11-12
Lopez 3.3 RPG 5.4 PPG
Andrea 5.5 RPG 19.5 PPG
12-13
Lopez 5.6 RPG 11.3 PPG in his best season
Andrea (totally out of shape and twice injuried) 3.8 RPG 12.7 PPG in his worst season.

Did you ever watch Andrea Bargnani playing?

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #4935 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:08 am

But Lopez is a much, much better defender.

ezmoney707 · Post #4936 » by **ezmoney707** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:08 am

JustaKnickFan wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

Your reaching man. Darrius Morris will be lucky to be in the league in a few years. Your picking guys that minimal impact on the game. Many of those 2nd round picks or late 1st rounders don't stick on their teams and can be had in free agency.

TrueWarrior · Post #4937 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:09 am

Darius Morris lol. Really is this what its come to? :lol:

JustaKnickfan you dont like the trade. Its cool. Get some rest its a long offseason.

Italians in NBA · Post #4938 » by **Italians in NBA** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:10 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:But Lopez is a much, much better defender.

NO!

JustaKnickFan · Post #4939 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:10 am

BOOMbip wrote:The next time one of the Knicks blocks a shot we should get mad that they didnt just go for the rebound and everyone should boo them yelling 'play some defense!'

This is my new philosophy, live by the wisdom of RealGM.

NBA players shoot 38% within 5 feet of the basket when Hibbert/Larry Sanders are within that 5 feet.

NBA players shoot 74% within 5 feet of the basket when Ibaka was within that 5 feet.

Blocks don't mean much, because chances are that block is going out of bounds and the other team still has the ball.

suicidedeuce · Post #4940 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:10 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Those odds are favorable as compared to yearly giving them away in trades.

Again, ignoring that fact you had NO idea what the math was before you starting arguing as if you did, I'm not aware of the Knicks having given a draft pick away.

By including them in trades, they get back players.

Why can't you argue this point on its merits rather than moving the goal posts?