BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[Thugger HBC]

More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

The point was, picks are valuable, and the winning teams value them, no matter the position or round.....

It's not ironic that not only the spurs have tim duncan they also have had guys drafted in later spots who were solid contributors, acquire guys in later spots and develop them as their own.....it's exceptional scouting, development, and opportunity.

And some teams make the obvious picks that may or may not pan out.

The draft has been widely viewed as a crap shoot, but it's valuable.

In the last six drafts, the Knicks have traded away a third of their picks.

Of the eight selections they did make, seven players have been either traded, cut, or let go in free agency.

Shump is the only player on the roster who was drafted by the Knicks, and this was prior to TH jr.

[god shammgod]

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[StephNYKurry]

More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

[JustaKnickFan]

Darius Morris lol. Really is this what its come to?

JustaKnickfan you dont like the trade. Its cool. Get some rest its a long offseason.

Darius Morris is a total reach I know.

Just forget I said that and pretend I said Sam Young

[Thugger HBC]

edit - wrong thread

At least we arent ripping bargnani anymore.

[JustaKnickFan]

More to the point, saying that Orlando Johnson is a solid example of someone who could be picked in the 2nd round, when he played 2 minutes/game in the playoffs is just off the wall crazy.

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

It's tough to judge 2nd round talent now, when they've barely been in the league and none of the Europeans have come over. For instance, I've seen Acy and he will at the very least be a solid backup for the Raptors but didn't get playing time because of the Bargs/Ed Davis problem at PF.

For better reference, use an older draft like the 2008 one.

Dragic
Asik
Chalmers
Pek
Mbah a Moute
DeAndre Jordan (overpaid but he's still alright as a center)

Have all become solid NBA starters. That number will only rise with the increased attention foreign basketball players are getting.

[howe070523]

Why? Why? Why?

[ORANGEandBLUE]

But Lopez is a much, much better defender.

NO!

Lopez started next to Amare when Phoenix got to the WCF. He is definitely a plus defender. Bargs is a huge liability.

[StephNYKurry]

The point was, picks are valuable, and the winning teams value them, no matter the position or round.....

It's not ironic that not only the spurs have tim duncan they also have had guys drafted in later spots who were solid contributors, acquire guys in later spots and develop them as their own.....it's exceptional scouting, development, and opportunity.

And some teams make the obvious picks that may or may not pan out.

The draft has been widely viewed as a crap shoot, but it's valuable.

In the last six drafts, the Knicks have traded away a third of their picks.

Of the eight selections they did make, seven players have been either traded, cut, or let go in free agency.

Shump is the only player on the roster who was drafted by the Knicks, and this was prior to TH jr.

You're talking about Isaiah Thomas and Donnie Walsh now bro.

Could we please keep the discussion to the present regime.

[ctorres]

So on NBA 2K13, how good is a lineup of Felton/JR/Melo/STAT/Bargs?

[ezmoney707]

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

It's tough to judge 2nd round talent now, when they've barely been in the league and none of the Europeans have come over. For instance, I've seen Acy and he will at the very least be a solid backup for the Raptors but didn't get playing time because of the Bargs/Ed Davis problem at PF.

For better reference, use an older draft like the 2008 one.

Dragic
Asik
Chalmers
Pek
Mbah a Moute
DeAndre Jordan (overpaid but he's still alright as a center)

Have all become solid NBA starters. That number will only rise with the increased attention foreign basketball players are getting.

But many 2nd rounders rarely stick with the team that originally drafted them.
A) Because they sucked
B) Because they became good players and the team couldn't retain them
C) Bad fit and they hit free agency and blossom in another situation.

[Thugger HBC]

The point was, picks are valuable, and the winning teams value them, no matter the position or round.....

It's not ironic that not only the spurs have tim duncan they also have had guys drafted in later spots who were solid contributors, acquire guys in later spots and develop them as their own.....it's exceptional scouting, development, and opportunity.

And some teams make the obvious picks that may or may not pan out.

The draft has been widely viewed as a crap shoot, but it's valuable.

In the last six drafts, the Knicks have traded away a third of their picks.

Of the eight selections they did make, seven players have been either traded, cut, or let go in free agency.

Shump is the only player on the roster who was drafted by the Knicks, and this was prior to TH jr.

You're talking about Isaiah Thomas and Donnie Walsh now bro.

Could we please keep the discussion to the present regime.

?

Didnt Grunwald just trade away 3 for Bargs? And he gave away 2 to get Camby and a think he forked over 1 in the three team deal for Tyson.

Thats 6 picks in two yeras.

[JustaKnickFan]

Coulda sworn he hit a few 3s against us, that might have been regular season, though.

Anyway, how about Darrius Morris? Festus Ezeli was also the 30th pick.

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

It's tough to judge 2nd round talent now, when they've barely been in the league and none of the Europeans have come over. For instance, I've seen Acy and he will at the very least be a solid backup for the Raptors but didn't get playing time because of the Bargs/Ed Davis problem at PF.

For better reference, use an older draft like the 2008 one.

Dragic
Asik
Chalmers
Pek
Mbah a Moute
DeAndre Jordan (overpaid but he's still alright as a center)

Have all become solid NBA starters. That number will only rise with the increased attention foreign basketball players are getting.

But many 2nd rounders rarely stick with the team that originally drafted them.
A) Because they sucked
B) Because they became good players and the team couldn't retain them
C) Bad fit and they hit free agency and blossom in another situation.[/quote]
However, the thing is that these picks are value, and produce great players.

As Thugger said, winning teams value 2nd rounders, and that's why teams like the Heat, Spurs, Pacers, and Grizzlies go after 2nd round talent while the Knicks trade away 2nd rounders and go after established NBA players.

[StephNYKurry]

But many 2nd rounders rarely stick with the team that originally drafted them.
A) Because they sucked
B) Because they became good players and the team couldn't retain them
C) Bad fit and they hit free agency and blossom in another situation.

And this is more of what I'm talking about.

We won't know about those 2nd rounders until 2016

Who in the blue hell cares about the 2016 season?

We're playing for now with trillions of dollars tied up in salary. It's go time. Stop talking about building with draft picks. We are what we are at this point and we need to add to that.

[Thugger HBC]

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

It's tough to judge 2nd round talent now, when they've barely been in the league and none of the Europeans have come over. For instance, I've seen Acy and he will at the very least be a solid backup for the Raptors but didn't get playing time because of the Bargs/Ed Davis problem at PF.

For better reference, use an older draft like the 2008 one.

Dragic
Asik
Chalmers
Pek
Mbah a Moute
DeAndre Jordan (overpaid but he's still alright as a center)

Have all become solid NBA starters. That number will only rise with the increased attention foreign basketball players are getting.

But many 2nd rounders rarely stick with the team that originally drafted them.
A) Because they sucked
B) Because they became good players and the team couldn't retain them
C) Bad fit and they hit free agency and blossom in another situation.

I think the folks that dont like the picks being in it view that we'll never know what those picks will be because they are always given away.

I dont think any team in the last 10 years have given away more picks than the Knicks, we gotta be high on that list.

[StephNYKurry]

The point was, picks are valuable, and the winning teams value them, no matter the position or round.....

It's not ironic that not only the spurs have tim duncan they also have had guys drafted in later spots who were solid contributors, acquire guys in later spots and develop them as their own.....it's exceptional scouting, development, and opportunity.

And some teams make the obvious picks that may or may not pan out.

The draft has been widely viewed as a crap shoot, but it's valuable.

In the last six drafts, the Knicks have traded away a third of their picks.

Of the eight selections they did make, seven players have been either traded, cut, or let go in free agency.

Shump is the only player on the roster who was drafted by the Knicks, and this was prior to TH jr.

You're talking about Isaiah Thomas and Donnie Walsh now bro.

Could we please keep the discussion to the present regime.

?

Didnt Grunwald just trade away 3 for Bargs? And he gave away 2 to get Camby and a think he forked over 1 in the three team deal for Tyson.

Thats 6 picks in two yeras.

I don't understand why you think we are building or are still constructing this team.

We are what we are at this point.

We just won 54 games and finished 2nd in the conference. The time for concerning ourselves with what happens 4 years from now is OVER.

[malik959]

Here's a clip that actually shows positives and negitives

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4naUEfL6Mz4[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHGyt-AbbY[/youtube]

[ezmoney707]

I'll just run down the list of 2nd round picks last year

Jeff Taylor
Tomas Satoransky
Bernard James
Draymond Green
Quincy Acy
Jae Crowder
Orlando Johnson
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Mike Scott
Will Barton
Kevin Murphy
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kostas Paponikolau
Kyle O'Quinn
Izzet Turkilymaz
Kris Joseph
Robbie Hummel
Darius Johnson-Odom
Robert Sacre
Marcus Denmon

and some other european people's names that I don't feel like typing. Never mind the fact that there aren't a lot of 2nd rounders there who contributed, but if you look at where our 2nd rounder would have been, there's pretty much nothingness.

It's tough to judge 2nd round talent now, when they've barely been in the league and none of the Europeans have come over. For instance, I've seen Acy and he will at the very least be a solid backup for the Raptors but didn't get playing time because of the Bargs/Ed Davis problem at PF.

For better reference, use an older draft like the 2008 one.

Dragic
Asik
Chalmers
Pek
Mbah a Moute
DeAndre Jordan (overpaid but he's still alright as a center)

Have all become solid NBA starters. That number will only rise with the increased attention foreign basketball players are getting.

But many 2nd rounders rarely stick with the team that originally drafted them.
A) Because they sucked
B) Because they became good players and the team couldn't retain them
C) Bad fit and they hit free agency and blossom in another situation.

However, the thing is that these picks are value, and produce great players.

As Thugger said, winning teams value 2nd rounders, and that's why teams like the Heat, Spurs, Pacers, and Grizzlies go after 2nd round talent while the Knicks trade away 2nd rounders and go after established NBA players.[/quote]
Smh I'm tired of hearing about these teams valuing 2nd rounders. Most of the 2nd rounder players contributing on these teams were acquired through free agency and trades. I can make the same statement of no team in the league values undrafted free agents than the Knicks. It wouldn't make that statement any more true than the previous.

[Thugger HBC]

You're talking about Isaiah Thomas and Donnie Walsh now bro.

Could we please keep the discussion to the present regime.

?

Didnt Grunwald just trade away 3 for Bargs? And he gave away 2 to get Camby and a think he forked over 1 in the three team deal for Tyson.

Thats 6 picks in two yeras.

I don't understand why you think we are building or are still constructing this team.

We are what we are at this point.

We just won 54 games and finished 2nd in the conference. The time for concerning ourselves with what happens 4 years from now is OVER.

The draft pick thingy isnt even my beef, i kinda expect the knicks to only think in one day modes.

But you have to agree, for a team that hasnt won squat in 40 years should look at both aspects like winning clubs do, unless you have the best player in the game.

[duetta]

I'm proud of you guys - but expecting at least 400 pages. Don't let me down.