[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[knicks742]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here, but Trader_Joe posted in a Melo thread on the GB that the Nuggets don't get a TPE if it's a sign and trade because the Nuggets will be under the cap.

Why would the Nuggets wait until the offseason?

Side question, does anyone know the last day for a player to accept a player option? Is it June 30th?

THe nuggets are not going to let him become a free agent they are simply taking all the time they have to make their decision. We all need to remember that their number one choice is still to resign him. So they are going to take as long as they can to convince him of that. That's why Donnie is not in a rush, he knows if anything is going to happen, it will happen in February. This is also great news for us because our young guys continue to play better so it allows us to be more strict and not feel like we have to send 2 or 3 of Gallo, Chandler and Fields.

[NYK0605]

Hahn has written that exact same article, minus the "one way or another" anonymous quote, several times already.

Personally, after listening to Donnie with BT and Adrian Wojo with BT & Tierney, I expect Melo to get traded to and sign with the Nets.

And I, & many others,

will breathe a sigh of relief when it finally happens.

Why would Melo go from Denver to NJ if winning is a main thing for him?

Only way I see him going NJ is:

1) To get his extension. He obviously wants his money too and I don't think he wants wait until FA with the new CBA and potential lockout.

2) He is willing to play in NJ for 2 years and wait to be a championship contender and then in 2012, when it's ready for them to go to Brooklyn, CP3 and Deron will be FA so maybe one of them would join them.

[K_ick_God]

Wow, big stuff from Hahn. I am starting to buy it, too.

[Jay10]

hahn writes the same story every day.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here, but Trader_Joe posted in a Melo thread on the GB that the Nuggets don't get a TPE if it's a sign and trade because the Nuggets will be under the cap.

Why would the Nuggets wait until the offseason?

Side question, does anyone know the last day for a player to accept a player option? Is it June 30th?

THe nuggets are not going to let him become a free agent they are simply taking all the time they have to make their decision. We all need to remember that their number one choice is still to resign him. So they are going to take as long as they can to convince him of that. That's why Donnie is not in a rush, he knows if anything is going to happen, it will happen in February. This is also great news for us because our young guys continue to play better so it allows us to be more strict and not feel like we have to send 2 or 3 of Gallo, Chandler and Fields.

I know they aren't going to wait...it was just a general question because on the GB (in a bunch of topics over the last couple of months), people think that they could wait.

They really have to trade him before the trade deadline (that's when I think he'll be traded) because they will lose him for nothing if they wait. At the deadline, they can still get a good deal AND the season won't be lost because they are building for the future and the team was able to make money by keeping him longer.

What I don't understand is why they are asking for a lot of picks, expirings, and young talent. They are saying FU to all of the teams interested and screwing themselves by turning teams away, aren't they? People say they are asking for a lot more than they expect so that they can eventually get to a middle ground...I don't see that happening if they piss off front offices and turn away teams that do not have what the picks/players they are looking for.

Denver will not get everything they want...no way in hell that happens - especially at the trade deadline. I'm not saying they should jump on the first trade they find because not only would that make little sense from a business perspective (Carmelo IS the team - brings in more revenue than any other player on the team) but they also would not know if another team would be willing to put a better offer on the table.

[bokiloki]

would you guys do this trade straight up.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2wvsfbo

[magnumt]

would you guys do this trade straight up.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2wvsfbo

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1077888&start=465#p26212982

We've told you this many times already. Now stop coming into our Thread and asking for Fields.

Consider this an Official Warning.

Thanks,
--Mags

[GONYK]

Hahn has written that exact same article, minus the "one way or another" anonymous quote, several times already.

Personally, after listening to Donnie with BT and Adrian Wojo with BT & Tierney, I expect Melo to get traded to and sign with the Nets.

And I, & many others,

will breathe a sigh of relief when it finally happens.

LOL

[bokiloki]

im making a trade offer. if you guys feel that fields is the greatest basketball player of all time than replace him with gallo in my proposed trade. This after all is a carmelo trade thread and i can propose any imaginary deal that i would feel is fair. Im asking for a profesional response not a response from someone who seems to have gone gay for landry.. I didn't know asking for fields was illegal. Thats like a new york fan going into our carmelo trade thread and proposing trades for carmelo, and we tell him to stop asking for him cause were not gonna trade him and potentially ban him for it. just stating facts so don't take this as a disrespect to you guys. nuggets fans are able to go into your threads and new york fans are allowed to go into our threads. im making a trade proposal and if you guys don't like it just shoot it down. no need to act like a douchebags.

[god shammgod]

Hahn has written that exact same article, minus the "one way or another" anonymous quote, several times already.

Personally, after listening to Donnie with BT and Adrian Wojo with BT & Tierney, I expect Melo to get traded to and sign with the Nets.

And I, & many others,

will breathe a sigh of relief when it finally happens.

LOL

i was confused by this too

[adjacent2bench]

im making a trade offer. if you guys feel that fields is the greatest basketball player of all time than replace him with gallo in my proposed trade. This after all is a carmelo trade thread and i can propose any imaginary deal that i would feel is fair. Im asking for a profesional response not a response from someone who seems to have gone gay for landry.. I didn't know asking for fields was illegal. Thats like a new york fan going into our carmelo trade thread and proposing trades for carmelo, and we tell him to stop asking for him cause were not gonna trade him and potentially ban him for it. just stating facts so don't take this as a disrespect to you guys. nuggets fans are able to go into your threads and new york fans are allowed to go into our threads. im making a trade proposal and if you guys don't like it just shoot it down. no need to act like a douchebags.

Denver has no leverage. You're not getting Fields. Simple as that. Either DEN trades him to us now for whatever we offered, or we'll sit back and help Melo pack his **** in July.

[GONYK]

im making a trade offer. if you guys feel that fields is the greatest basketball player of all time than replace him with gallo in my proposed trade. This after all is a carmelo trade thread and i can propose any imaginary deal that i would feel is fair. Im asking for a profesional response not a response from someone who seems to have gone gay for landry.. I didn't know asking for fields was illegal. Thats like a new york fan going into our carmelo trade thread and proposing trades for carmelo, and we tell him to stop asking for him cause were not gonna trade him and potentially ban him for it. just stating facts so don't take this as a disrespect to you guys. nuggets fans are able to go into your threads and new york fans are allowed to go into our threads. im making a trade proposal and if you guys don't like it just shoot it down. no need to act like a douchebags.

Bro, you keep posting the same trade. Of course it will get shot down, over and over again.

Here is the outline of a trade that won't get shot down:
- You get 1 of the following three: Chandler, Gallinari, Fields
- Curry and/or Azubuike will have to be involved
- You can inquire about anyone else except Amare, Felton, and possibly Mozgov

Got it?

[bokiloki]

im making a trade offer. if you guys feel that fields is the greatest basketball player of all time than replace him with gallo in my proposed trade. This after all is a carmelo trade thread and i can propose any imaginary deal that i would feel is fair. Im asking for a profesional response not a response from someone who seems to have gone gay for landry.. I didn't know asking for fields was illegal. Thats like a new york fan going into our carmelo trade thread and proposing trades for carmelo, and we tell him to stop asking for him cause were not gonna trade him and potentially ban him for it. just stating facts so don't take this as a disrespect to you guys. nuggets fans are able to go into your threads and new york fans are allowed to go into our threads. im making a trade proposal and if you guys don't like it just shoot it down. no need to act like a douchebags.

Denver has no leverage. You're not getting Fields. Simple as that. Either DEN trades him to us now for whatever we offered, or we'll sit back and help Melo pack his **** in July.

all i have to say to you is don't believe everything you read. after all lebron was supposed to be in a knicks uniform this season.

[GONYK]

Guys, just so you know, Nuggets fans think that NY is pipedreaming, and making up the whole thing about Melo not extending anywhere else. They actually think we aren't even in the running for Melo.

They think Melo has a whole list of teams that he will go to, including the Nets, Rockets, and Warriors, and that they will be able to pick and choose whatever they want off of these teams' rosters.

Keeping that attitude in mind, bokiloki isn't that unreasonable. It's just that their POV is wrong.

[bokiloki]

im making a trade offer. if you guys feel that fields is the greatest basketball player of all time than replace him with gallo in my proposed trade. This after all is a carmelo trade thread and i can propose any imaginary deal that i would feel is fair. Im asking for a profesional response not a response from someone who seems to have gone gay for landry.. I didn't know asking for fields was illegal. Thats like a new york fan going into our carmelo trade thread and proposing trades for carmelo, and we tell him to stop asking for him cause were not gonna trade him and potentially ban him for it. just stating facts so don't take this as a disrespect to you guys. nuggets fans are able to go into your threads and new york fans are allowed to go into our threads. im making a trade proposal and if you guys don't like it just shoot it down. no need to act like a douchebags.

Bro, you keep posting the same trade. Of course it will get shot down, over and over again.

Here is the outline of a trade that won't get shot down:
- You get 1 of the following three: Chandler, Gallinari, Fields
- Curry and/or Azubuike will have to be involved
- You can inquire about anyone else except Amare, Felton, and possibly Mozgov

Got it?

hey i made this trade just for you. tell me would you do this one?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2vgznqr

[GONYK]

hey i made this trade just for you. tell me would you do this one?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2vgznqr

LOL, now you're learning!

[GONYK]

boki, to be honest, the thing that you and other Denver fans don't understand is that the only way Melo plays here is if he makes it clear that he wants NY and nowhere else.

If that in fact is the case, then we have you guys by the balls. Plain and simple. If he doesn't say that, we don't get him, and the whole conversation is moot.

Therefore, if you come here with a proposal, you have to keep in mind that the only way the Knicks and Nuggs are at the table, is if you guys are screwed.

[bokiloki]

boki, to be honest, the thing that you and other Denver fans don't understand is that the only way Melo plays here is if he makes it clear that he wants NY and nowhere else.

If that in fact is the case, then we have you guys by the balls. Plain and simple. If he doesn't say that, we don't get him, and the whole conversation is moot.

Therefore, if you come here with a proposal, you have to keep in mind that the only way the Knicks and Nuggs are at the table, is if you guys are screwed.

alright i see where your coming from but the nuggets would never be desperate enough to trade melo for just chandler and curry. you see knicks fan only think the nets and them are the only teams in the running to get melo. but theres so many things that none of us know. he could end up going anywhere at this point. and think about it. would it be hard for a team to put a better offer than chandler and curry. no basically any team in the nba could put up a better offer than that. so at this point it is who ever wants melo the most. if anyone has leverage its the nuggets.

[Future Soldier]

are you dense? The Heat could offer up Wade, James, and Bosh for Melo, and DENVER could accept, but if MELO doesn't want to sign an extension with the Heat, that trade doesn't go down. It's the reason he hasn't been traded to Jersey yet...because he DOESNT WANT TO PLAY THERE.

[GONYK]

boki, to be honest, the thing that you and other Denver fans don't understand is that the only way Melo plays here is if he makes it clear that he wants NY and nowhere else.

If that in fact is the case, then we have you guys by the balls. Plain and simple. If he doesn't say that, we don't get him, and the whole conversation is moot.

Therefore, if you come here with a proposal, you have to keep in mind that the only way the Knicks and Nuggs are at the table, is if you guys are screwed.

alright i see where your coming from but the nuggets would never be desperate enough to trade melo for just chandler and curry. you see knicks fan only think the nets and them are the only teams in the running to get melo. but theres so many things that none of us know. he could end up going anywhere at this point. and think about it. would it be hard for a team to put a better offer than chandler and curry. no basically any team in the nba could put up a better offer than that. so at this point it is who ever wants melo the most. if anyone has leverage its the nuggets.

The Nuggets only have leverage if Melo wants more than one team. If there is a competitive market for Melo, the Nuggs will get good value.

If Melo only wants one team, then the Nuggets have almost no leverage. Now us Knick fans believe Melo only wants NY. We have our reasons for believing so, just as I'm sure you have your reasons for believing otherwise. The main reason we believe though, is because that is the only way we get him.

Now, you are 100% correct. Plenty of teams can offer a better package than something like Gallo/Curry/AR or a 1st rd pick. That is not the point though. The point is that nobody will offer you anything unless Melo is willing to extend.Only the teams that Melo will extend with has the most leverage. The less teams there are, the worse it gets for the Nuggets.

Just wondering: Why do you guys feel that Melo will go anywhere at this point? Do you think he is forcing his way out of Denver, which is a good team and a good city, just so he can go play in a potentially smaller market, and a worse team, especially after they trade all their assets for him?