[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[K_ick_God]

This is not Melo related but it is interesting:


Mike (@EL_Rebelde) :
whats up Alan, why havent Donnie send Moz or Rautins to the D-League to open up a roster spot and get some vereran help out there?
Monday January 24, 2011 11:29
Alan: I answer this question a lot and really don't have a good reply, at least not one I think is credible. But it's accurate: The Knicks just don't believe in the D-League. They are paying a player to be in the NBA and they feel he is better off working out with the team and being available to them. Rautins, for sure, should be in the D-League. This is like a lost year for him in many ways, but they feel he's getting educated by video sessions and team meetings and being on the bench, seeing the NBA game up front. I think he has a future because he's smart and he's a hard-worker. Opportunity will come.
Mozgov is different. He's really, really close. I think we're going to see him back on the court soon, especially with such a loose schedule in February and plenty of opportunity to practice. I've watched him in practice and his workouts and he really looks good. So many tools. Just raw and needs reps. They're working with him a lot so he's not being pushed aside at all.

[aggo]

This is not Melo related but it is interesting:


Mike (@EL_Rebelde) :
whats up Alan, why havent Donnie send Moz or Rautins to the D-League to open up a roster spot and get some vereran help out there?
Monday January 24, 2011 11:29
Alan: I answer this question a lot and really don't have a good reply, at least not one I think is credible. But it's accurate: The Knicks just don't believe in the D-League. They are paying a player to be in the NBA and they feel he is better off working out with the team and being available to them. Rautins, for sure, should be in the D-League. This is like a lost year for him in many ways, but they feel he's getting educated by video sessions and team meetings and being on the bench, seeing the NBA game up front. I think he has a future because he's smart and he's a hard-worker. Opportunity will come.
Mozgov is different. He's really, really close. I think we're going to see him back on the court soon, especially with such a loose schedule in February and plenty of opportunity to practice. I've watched him in practice and his workouts and he really looks good. So many tools. Just raw and needs reps. They're working with him a lot so he's not being pushed aside at all.

And this is the type of stuff we have to rely on.

When Hahn says that AR isn't strong enough to finish around the basket in practice you know why he's not playing.

[K_ick_God]

Orange and Blue :
My question is what's the furthest you believe (or hear) the Knicks will go to obtain Carmelo Anthony via trade? Is there a line the organization will draw? I ask b/c a balance probably has to be struck between maintaining a competitive core of players and obtaining a once in a life time player like Anthony.
Monday January 24, 2011 11:44
Alan: I think the obvious line is they're not going to overpay now when there is still three weeks until the trade deadline. Picture Donnie Walsh like those Meineke commercials from the 80s: "I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!" I do believe in the end the Knicks will do what it takes to get Carmelo, but they can only offer what they have. Denver can be stubborn, but they have a risk in this as well. Again, this will be a process and neither side will rush into anything or make a desperate move until they have to. Remember how long the Tracy McGrady thing took and how many times it appeared to be almost dead. This will likely be the same experience.

[K_ick_God]

DG :
Alan -- whats your best guess on the Knicks starting 5 come March 1st?
Monday January 24, 2011 11:53
Alan: Here we go...I actually miss that question from the LeBronathon.
March 1 starting five (totally a gues):
PG Billups
SG Douglas
SF Anthony
PF Stoudemire
C Mozgov
Have fun with that one....

[Jitpal]

Hahn just confirms a lot of what we were thinking; Denver is going to hold Melo until the deadline. The deal from the Knicks will be there then, just as it is now. No reason for them not to wait. -Jitpal

[K_ick_God]

By the way, let me quickly amend that projected starting five:
PG-Billups
SG-Fields*
SF-Carmelo
PF-Amar'e
C-Mozgov
* - I reported in the Fix over the weekend that DEN doesn't want Landry, so I need to believe my own reporting.

[Context]

This is not Melo related but it is interesting:


Mike (@EL_Rebelde) :
whats up Alan, why havent Donnie send Moz or Rautins to the D-League to open up a roster spot and get some vereran help out there?
Monday January 24, 2011 11:29
Alan: I answer this question a lot and really don't have a good reply, at least not one I think is credible. But it's accurate: The Knicks just don't believe in the D-League. They are paying a player to be in the NBA and they feel he is better off working out with the team and being available to them. Rautins, for sure, should be in the D-League. This is like a lost year for him in many ways, but they feel he's getting educated by video sessions and team meetings and being on the bench, seeing the NBA game up front. I think he has a future because he's smart and he's a hard-worker. Opportunity will come.
Mozgov is different. He's really, really close. I think we're going to see him back on the court soon, especially with such a loose schedule in February and plenty of opportunity to practice. I've watched him in practice and his workouts and he really looks good. So many tools. Just raw and needs reps. They're working with him a lot so he's not being pushed aside at all.

Good to hear. Thanks KG! Donnie knows what he is doing. I have a funny feeling Melo is going to end up coming he in the summer and we won't have to lose anything significant. I predict Chandler will be traded. Not sure for what but it will be value.

[god shammgod]

thanks kg. nice to see that moz might be ready soon.

losing gallo/chandler and taking harrington. not thrilled but i would live with it.

[Pharmcat]

This is not Melo related but it is interesting:


Mike (@EL_Rebelde) :
whats up Alan, why havent Donnie send Moz or Rautins to the D-League to open up a roster spot and get some vereran help out there?
Monday January 24, 2011 11:29
Alan: I answer this question a lot and really don't have a good reply, at least not one I think is credible. But it's accurate: The Knicks just don't believe in the D-League. They are paying a player to be in the NBA and they feel he is better off working out with the team and being available to them. Rautins, for sure, should be in the D-League. This is like a lost year for him in many ways, but they feel he's getting educated by video sessions and team meetings and being on the bench, seeing the NBA game up front. I think he has a future because he's smart and he's a hard-worker. Opportunity will come.
Mozgov is different. He's really, really close. I think we're going to see him back on the court soon, especially with such a loose schedule in February and plenty of opportunity to practice. I've watched him in practice and his workouts and he really looks good. So many tools. Just raw and needs reps. They're working with him a lot so he's not being pushed aside at all.

they seriously dont believe in the D league? really? maybe they should ask the warriors about it and how to take advantage of it

[Knicks_Fan2]

Billups?! wtf

[K_ick_God]

By the way, let me quickly amend that projected starting five:
PG-Billups
SG-Fields*
SF-Carmelo
PF-Amar'e
C-Mozgov
* - I reported in the Fix over the weekend that DEN doesn't want Landry, so I need to believe my own reporting.

I doubt Denver would not want Fields but it's the Knicks who should be deadset on keeping him out.

If D'Antoni actually played Mozgov plenty of minutes, I think the above lineup could be dangerous. If we stayed at the 6th seed, I think Knicks-Bulls would be a tossup if we throw out that lineup and Mozgov is effective. I'll believe D'Antoni will play Mozgov a lot of minutes when I see it. I am deeply skeptical.

[god shammgod]

wait, did he make a mistake by putting billups in the lineup instead of felton ? wtf ?

[K_ick_God]

thanks kg. nice to see that moz might be ready soon.

losing gallo/chandler and taking harrington. not thrilled but i would live with it.

Wonder what Denver thinks about Mozgov. If I were them, I'd try to get him. But I want to keep him and Fields. I'm okay with trading anybody else though.

Why does Hahn think Billups would start? Unless Felton is traded in the deal, I think he definitely stays the starter and Billups is the ideal backup PG.

[knicksfan84]

How realistic is this? We take back a lot of salary, but we get to keep Fields

NY Knicks trade
Eddy Curry (to Den)
Kelenna Azubuike (to Den)
Timofey Mozgov (to Den)
Bill Walker (to Den)
Wilson Chandler (to Hou)
2011 non-playoff team first round pick (acquired by trading ARandolf to denver)

Houston Rockets trade
Yao Ming (to Den)
Jordan Hill (to Den)
2011 first round pick (to Den)

Denver Nuggets trade
Carmelo Anthony (to NY)
Al Harrington (to NY)
Chris Andersen (to NY)
Nene Hilario (to Hou)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4be955x

the trade works, but ARandolf going to Den represents a first rounder (we would need his salary off the books, but denver doesn't need his salary to make it work)

[Context]

thanks kg. nice to see that moz might be ready soon.

losing gallo/chandler and taking harrington. not thrilled but i would live with it.

I don't believe Gallo will be sent and I don't think he needs to be assuming that it's Knicks or bust for Melo. And why should we take a bad contract back when we can put ourselves in a position to sign him in free agency. I've had it with Denver. They are in no position to demand anything.

AR, Chandler, Curry, 1st take it or leave it!

[K_ick_God]

wait, did he make a mistake by putting billups in the lineup instead of felton ? wtf ?

Maybe Hahn thinks it's 2004.

[towelie]

I think people are suggesting that he is playing distracted (and possibly with a lack of self confidence) right now due to all the trade chatter and THAT is what is making him play poorly. No one is suggesting that he's purposely dogging it to decrease his trade value.

Exactly... It began precisely when the Melo talks intensified 2-3 wks ago...

Honestly, I think they may just keep him. Melo made a comment that Denver' GM knows what he wants to do. They are annoying me so much that I hope they decide to keep him. And I can't wait for him to sign for a little less as did Lebron, Wade and Bosh(2.6 million in the first season to be exact).

I would make a Turiaf, AR, Azub, Mason and 3 million in cash(that totals 6 million in savings+ whatever Dal's contract saves them) for Dalembert and a future 1st. They get a player with a ton of Talent and promise-that will be better than anything in the 2011 draft in terms of potential.

The trade would make us slightly better and put us in position to sign Melo out right. Who cares what Denver wants to do. I understand that their fans are hurt because deep down they know he is leaving but they are in denial and delusional. They are going to lose him for nothing. I'm sure Melo passed on to Stat that he will wait and Donnie knows. With that trade we will have roughly 20 million in cap space by seasons end...

Chandler is distracted, but I don't think it has to do with Melo trade rumors, as his name has been thrown around all season long and it hardly affected him earlier.

The more significant correlation imo is that his poor play is due to whatever distraction caused him to fire his agent.

[Foley Is GOOD]

Can anyone post Alan hahns chat can't get it wondering if he had anything to say about melo?

anybody with cablevision want to sum up for us ?

Thanks Michael. Just for that compliment, I'll share with you - and only you - the REAL inside scoop on the Melo deal: Denver has time to wait if the Knicks are the only team that really has any chance with an extension. So they're not in any hurry to make something happen and instead wants to solidify a playoff berth as best as they can before they are forced to make a move. Shhhh, don't tell anyone.
Monday January 24, 2011 11:09

Roy :
Let' say the knicks get melo for gallo fields curry and picks. How far into the spring do you think they could go? I think they could beat the bulls and magic but not the celtics and heat.
Monday January 24, 2011 11:10
Alan: Actually, Roy, let's say they get him for Chandler, Gallinari, Curry, Azubuike and picks and Melo and Al Harrington come in the deal. Gits and shiggles. I think they could beat the Bulls, Magic and Celtics. Still would be tough to beat the Heat in a seven-game series. But talk about high-scoring games....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ffw8w6

Nuggets Trade
Carmelo Anthony
Al Harrington
Chris Andersen
Anthony Carter

Knicks Trade
2011 1st Round Pick (NY)
2011 1st Round Pick (From Toney Douglas trade)
2013 1st Round Pick (NY)
2012 2nd Round Pick (NY)
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov
Bill Walker
Eddy Curry
Kelena Azibuike

The Knicks end up dealing Randolph for a 2012 1st Round pick, which then opens up trading their 2011 and 2013 1st Rounders. They can then deal Douglas and cash for another 1st Rounder.
The Nuggets do the deal because they get three 1st Rounders, two solid players in Gallinari and Chandler, expiring contracts in Curry, Buike, Mozgov, and Chandler can be resigned, and they get rid of the contracts of Harrington and Andersen.

Felton/Carter
Fields/Mason
Anthony/Williams/Harrington
Stoudemire/Harrington
Andersen/Turiaf

The new starting five would be great, but besides Harrington, the bench is very weak. But that will be fixed in the off-season via the MLE, where we can find a back up guard and another big off the bench. Anyhow, what do you guys think?

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[Dr. Detfink]

I just don't see it. Denver will NEVER deal Melo to NYK. It's not based on logic but the disposition of the Nuggets front office. They'd rather roll the dice in the off-season and hope to re-sign him than be labeled fools for taking the best offer from the Knicks. That way, they can blame Melo much like the Cavs blamed Lebron.

[BBALLER4FR]

How realistic is this? We take back a lot of salary, but we get to keep Fields

NY Knicks trade
Eddy Curry (to Den)
Kelenna Azubuike (to Den)
Timofey Mozgov (to Den)
Bill Walker (to Den)
Wilson Chandler (to Hou)
2011 non-playoff team first round pick (acquired by trading ARandolf to denver)

Houston Rockets trade
Yao Ming (to Den)
Jordan Hill (to Den)
2011 first round pick (to Den)

Denver Nuggets trade
Carmelo Anthony (to NY)
Al Harrington (to NY)
Chris Andersen (to NY)
Nene Hilario (to Hou)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4be955x

the trade works, but ARandolf going to Den represents a first rounder (we would need his salary off the books, but denver doesn't need his salary to make it work)

WHAT?!?!

Eddy Curry, Kelenna Azubuike, Timofey Mozgov, Bill Walker, Wilson Chandler, pick
...does not get you Melo, Nene and Birdman! That's absolutely not happening without Fields AND Gallo being added.