Knicks-Nuggets Post Game (Free Candy Strikes)

[moocow007]

^Miller could get to Landry easy in that pic and as soon as Melo turns to pass it to TD, Brewer is right there in the passing lane. Looks simpler in a still pic than it really is in live action.

Well a) the problem started when Melo decided to stand there dribbling for 6 seconds before the photographer took that doozie of a snapshot (yeah that's right there was 8+ seconds on the clock preceeding that 3pt extended 3 man post-up move Melo had on full display). And b) so you feel like Melo going up against 3 guys a few feet behind the 3 pt line and heaving (or losing it which was thes actually result) is better than letting Fields or Douglas shoot an open or slightly contested shot? Uh-huh.

It's hard to know exactly what Melo saw during that play, I doubt he saw both players open at the same time and chose to go 1 on 3. As the clock was winding down all 3 defenders closed in on him. It's not like we're experienced playing together and everyone knows what to do in that situation.

Also it's the job of his teammates to let him know that they are open. Not just so Melo is aware but also to at least help pull the defenders away from him. Don't think either guy said a thing. Didn't hear it. Heard plenty of squeaking of sneakers from the 3 defenders around him.

[Sprewell4Three]

I think people need to accept the trade is going to get talked about, and to not to get so butthurt and take it so personal when it does. It doesnt mean people arent over the trade. It happened. Everyone knows we cant go back in time, but the Melo trade completely changed the future for this franchise, for better or worse is yet to be determined.

This is the big problem i have with some of you guys, you're quick to get angry over the Melo trade but never have I seen you guys get angry towards the AMare signing? WHY NOT? 100 million dollars for a big man that plays no D and has NO post game. He's trash right now...
That guy is much of a culprit to our struggles yet rarely is venom spewed towards him from you guys.
And I'm talking about the same 4-5 guys that come in after every Knick loss and whine about the melo trade. You guys know who you are.

Stop letting Amare go unscathed.

The blame goes as follow:
Dolan- only caring about what goes in his pocket
D'Antoni- never holding players accountable for lack of defense but quick to yell at a player for passing up a 3 pointer
Amare- No D , No post game, low IQ
Melo- Almost same thing, chucker, brain dead on D
Grunwald- not bringing the right pieces to surround these 2 scorers...

[PeteW]

Watching it again.. he might not have saw TD but looks like he was looking landry's way for a couple of seconds.. whether or not he went up to take that shot or he was trying to pass it .. im not sure but he needs to recognize and react to double teams (in this case triple team) earlier and have some trust in his teammates..

[CrazyKnicks]

Also it's the job of his teammates to let him know that they are open. Not just so Melo is aware but also to at least help pull the defenders away from him. Don't think either guy said a thing. Didn't hear it. Heard plenty of squeaking of sneakers from the 3 defenders around him.

When you see 3 defenders in your face, it's safe to assume you know someone is open. But he didn't even look to pass. Very selfish and toxic play, no excuse for it.

[GnarlesOakley]

Statement game.

The statement is that I miss Gallo.

[johnnywishbone]

^Miller could get to Landry easy in that pic and as soon as Melo turns to pass it to TD, Brewer is right there in the passing lane. Looks simpler in a still pic than it really is in live action.

Well a) the problem started when Melo decided to stand there dribbling for 6 seconds before the photographer took that doozie of a snapshot (yeah that's right there was 8+ seconds on the clock preceeding that 3pt extended 3 man post-up move Melo had on full display). And b) so you feel like Melo going up against 3 guys a few feet behind the 3 pt line and heaving (or losing it which was thes actually result) is better than letting Fields or Douglas shoot an open or slightly contested shot? Uh-huh.

It's hard to know exactly what Melo saw during that play, I doubt he saw both players open at the same time and chose to go 1 on 3. As the clock was winding down all 3 defenders closed in on him. It's not like we're experienced playing together and everyone knows what to do in that situation.

That may be the case in that specific situation but it's pretty obvious (Al and Clyde Frazier were talking about it all game) that the ball movement is not as good when Melo is in the game. And the problem is that the other guys won't look to get involved if they think the ball is not coming their way. Then if they do touch the ball they play the same way because they figure this is their shot to score. So it becomes a vicious circle of selfish play. Melo needs to wake up and smell reality. He is a very good player but he is not Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan. He needs his team to win.

[moocow007]

Also it's the job of his teammates to let him know that they are open. Not just so Melo is aware but also to at least help pull the defenders away from him. Don't think either guy said a thing. Didn't hear it. Heard plenty of squeaking of sneakers from the 3 defenders around him.

When you see 3 defenders in your face, it's safe to assume you know someone is open. But he didn't even look to pass. Very selfish and toxic play, no excuse for it.

Again, it's the job of a teammate to let him know. Carmelo is NOT a point guard. He's not used to being a executor of an offense. Yes, he should assume that someone is open but those someone need to let him know. If you actually watch the top teams everyone is talking to everyone else not just on defense but also on offense. Yes, Carmelo should have known better but his teammates need to contribute as well. You cant just sit there and hope Carmelo knows what to do. They do the same thing in other areas on offense, just stand there waiting for Carmelo to do something.

[kNicksGmen]

melo was attempting to pass when he lost the ball, are you guys blind?

[moocow007]

Also...it's also the job of his teammates to read the triple team (they see it even better than Melo would...bystanders usually do) and come to him to help. No one was around him and...voila...they got what they got. Yes, Carmelo should have not held the ball so long, but his teammates need to come get the ball. ESPECIALLY the one that's supposed to be a point guard! This is not a one guy problem...it's a team problem!!!

[WhenWillItEnd]

Also...it's also the job of his teammates to read the triple team (they see it even better than Melo would...bystanders usually do) and come to him to help. No one was around him and...voila...they got what they got. Yes, Carmelo should have not held the ball so long, but his teammates need to come get the ball. ESPECIALLY the one that's supposed to be a point guard! This is not a one guy problem...it's a team problem!!!

Are you kidding me?

There's guys standing around for a wide open 3. You're telling me Melo can't make a pass to one of them? Simple basketball. Stop making excuses for him.

[moocow007]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

[qbiggz]

Ok, well I just seen a replay of this possession, and NO, Melo was not attempting to the pass the ball there...

However as he was making his move, his back was towards Douglas so there's no way he could have seen him and made the pass. And Landry was much closer to him than the picture suggests, meaning he probably would have taken a contested shot had he received the ball from Melo.

[PeteW]

On a side note, Im sick of seeing melo playing point forward and dribbling it from the top of the key.. cant wait to have a real PG that will get the ball to our players' sweet spots.. If were going to iso melo, do it right.. get him the on the wings and let him make a play.. Melos been doing too much dribbling for my taste..

[moocow007]

Also...it's also the job of his teammates to read the triple team (they see it even better than Melo would...bystanders usually do) and come to him to help. No one was around him and...voila...they got what they got. Yes, Carmelo should have not held the ball so long, but his teammates need to come get the ball. ESPECIALLY the one that's supposed to be a point guard! This is not a one guy problem...it's a team problem!!!

Are you kidding me?

There's guys standing around for a wide open 3. You're telling me Melo can't make a pass to one of them? Simple basketball. Stop making excuses for him.

Who is making excuses for him? Read what I said again. I'll repeat..."Yes, Carmelo should have not held the ball so long..." That means YES HE HELD THE BALL TOO LONG. Ok pumpkin? But his teammates are supposed to do basic things like coming to the ball and helping out when he's being swarmed. They do not do that. They just stand there looking. Basic basketball is to go to your teammate in trouble and attempt to give him an outlet to pass out of trouble. Basic. Doesn't have anything to do with Melo being a ball hog...has to do with the other guys knowing what to do it that situation themselves.

[PeteW]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

dont know if theres enough time on the clock for td to do all that... there was a couple of seconds left it was either melo takes the shot or he whips it to the corner for a open 3..

[moocow007]

On a side note, Im sick of seeing melo playing point forward and dribbling it from the top of the key.. cant wait to have a real PG that will get the ball to our players' sweet spots.. If were going to iso melo, do it right.. get him the on the wings and let him make a play.. Melos been doing too much dribbling for my taste..

EXACTLY. Melo is NOT a PG. He's not Lebron. He's not Kobe. He's not Wade. He's not MJ. He's not Pippen. He's not a guy that can be used in that type of situation where he gets the ball at the 3 point circle and is expected to either: a) find an open man or b) put the ball on the floor and create for himself. That's not his game. Has never been his game. He's better when he's closer to the basket. Any Nugget fan should be able to confirm that. Not when he's always starting the play out by the arc. Have been saying that for days now.

[BBALLER4FR]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

Cmon Moo, Melo recieved the ball from the inbounder top side of that pic. For starters, he's facing Douglas so he sees him. Second, he probably waves Douglas off or barks at him for bringing his man if Toney even attempts to come to the ball. Third, Melo stopped at the half court area and proceed to slowly dribble, an indication he was doing all the lifting teammates be damned. Fouth Douglas's defender flashes first so he's gotta know Toney is open. Finally, you can see him looking directly at Fields when his guy eventually triple teams.

Melo continuously sets these scenarios up and they play out the same everytime (him going up against multiple players). Sometimes he hits it, today he blew it royally.

[moocow007]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

dont know if theres enough time on the clock for td to do all that... there was a couple of seconds left it was either melo takes the shot or he whips it to the corner for a open 3..

All Douglas (or Fields) needed to do was to call out for the ball. Didn't sound like either did that. If you have a way of re-looking at the play, amp the sound up and see if you hear either guy.

[taj2133]

The way douglas has been playing lately i think melo made the right descion because douglas is really struggling and not play well right now and he probably one of the worst point guards in the league right now.

[moocow007]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

Cmon Moo, Melo recieved the ball from the inbounder top side of that pic. For starters, he's facing Douglas so he sees him. Second, he probably waves Douglas off or barks at him for bringing his man if Toney even attempts to come to the ball. Third, Melo stopped at the half court area and proceed to slowly dribble, an indication he was doing all the lifting teammates be damned. Fouth Douglas's defender flashes first so he's gotta know Toney is open. Finally, you can see him looking directly at Fields when his guy eventually triple teams.

Melo continuously sets these scenarios up and they play out the same everytime (him going up against multiple players). Sometimes he hits it, today he blew it royally.

? He's facing Fields when the Nuggets players collapsed on him. Douglas was behind him on the other side. He probably waves? Did he or didnt' he? Didn't look like to me he had much of an opportunity to wave and I didn't notice him waving anyone off. Toney Douglas needs to let him know. Yes, and again, Carmelo hogged and held too long, but Douglas and Fields need to let him know but saying the simple word "Open!". Players say that all the time on other teams.