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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#501 » by Fat Kat » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:46 pm

Imagine Rose was missing as many games as Lin?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#502 » by j4remi » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:48 pm

We're reaching the No Man's Land that worried me...Rose is starting to look legit and the team might be turning a corner; but I'm still not comfortable with where we're at to want to re-up him yet. The team and he needs to progress beyond this for my comfort with what he's likely to command on the market and even then, the injury fears will always be in the back of my mind.

But if his midrange is going and he's pegging 5-7 apg instead of 3-4...the case for bringing him back becomes a lot stronger.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#503 » by Oscirus » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:52 pm

Id say bring him back at whatever price but only for the amount of years that Anthony and crew are here. Do not give him max years.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#504 » by god shammgod » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:57 pm

Oscirus wrote:Id say bring him back at whatever price but only for the amount of years that Anthony and crew are here. Do not give him max years.


that might be why they want the extension. only 3 years at most.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#505 » by 2010 » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:58 pm

Chris Paul - pipedream

Jrue Holiday - also injury-prone and not convinced he's actually any better than Rose, even when fully healthy

George Hill - overrated by dudes around here

Jeff Teague - *yawn*

Who else?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#506 » by ChilledAlex » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:03 pm

Why do I doubt the accuracy of PG ranking among league? There is no way in hell Rose is worst PG in the league. I can name starting PG's that are way worse on both defence and offence
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#507 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:17 pm

2010 wrote:Chris Paul - pipedream

Jrue Holiday - also injury-prone and not convinced he's actually any better than Rose, even when fully healthy

George Hill - overrated by dudes around here

Jeff Teague - *yawn*

Who else?


Patty Mills/Livingston/Collison/Jennings?

Cheaper options, but we would still most likely have to give them nice deals
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#508 » by 2010 » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:20 pm

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2010 wrote:Chris Paul - pipedream

Jrue Holiday - also injury-prone and not convinced he's actually any better than Rose, even when fully healthy

George Hill - overrated by dudes around here

Jeff Teague - *yawn*

Who else?


Patty Mills/Livingston/Collison/Jennings?

Cheaper options, but we would still most likely have to give them nice deals


Aside from bringing back Jennings, I am not interested in any of those dudes. As long as Rose is healthy I think continuity with the roster is more beneficial than saving a few bucks and bringing in a lower tier PG.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#509 » by stuporman » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:22 pm

god shammgod wrote:nykmentality is the greatest. his positivity and earnestness makes me smile every time.

and rose is playing better and better as the season progresses


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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#510 » by god shammgod » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:25 pm

stuporman wrote:
god shammgod wrote:nykmentality is the greatest. his positivity and earnestness makes me smile every time.

and rose is playing better and better as the season progresses


Who are you and what have you done with the real shamm?


he is. he's just so positive that it makes me laugh. don't worry, i'm gonna keep making fun of him though.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#511 » by KnicksFan7 » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:26 pm

There are a lot factors involved. I think people still remember MVP Rose and let's face facts, he's not MVP Rose anymore. But he's better than any PG we've had in years. Will he put up a stinker? Sure. Just like everyone else in the League. There's something to be said about continuity. We've not had continuity in a while. As long as he can continue to evolve portions of his game to adapt to his weaknesses, I think we'll be alright.

Some of you all just complain to complain. We could have the second coming of Stockton out there and you'd all find something to complain about.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#512 » by god shammgod » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:30 pm

KnicksFan7 wrote:There are a lot factors involved. I think people still remember MVP Rose and let's face facts, he's not MVP Rose anymore. But he's better than any PG we've had in years. Will he put up a stinker? Sure. Just like everyone else in the League. There's something to be said about continuity. We've not had continuity in a while. As long as he can continue to evolve portions of his game to adapt to his weaknesses, I think we'll be alright.

Some of you all just complain to complain. We could have the second coming of Stockton out there and you'd all find something to complain about.


i don't think it's that simple. there was a point where he was missing a ton at the rim and trying to score with his head down. he seems now to be understanding better how to pick his spots, using his floater more and even passing better. if he continues to improve it'll be hard not to bring him back. so some people judged him early and they were right. but he looks better right now so we'll see what happens and how it goes from here.
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Post#513 » by KnicksFan7 » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:33 pm

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KnicksFan7 wrote:There are a lot factors involved. I think people still remember MVP Rose and let's face facts, he's not MVP Rose anymore. But he's better than any PG we've had in years. Will he put up a stinker? Sure. Just like everyone else in the League. There's something to be said about continuity. We've not had continuity in a while. As long as he can continue to evolve portions of his game to adapt to his weaknesses, I think we'll be alright.

Some of you all just complain to complain. We could have the second coming of Stockton out there and you'd all find something to complain about.


i don't think it's that simple. there was a point where he was missing a ton at the rim and trying to score with his head down. he seems now to be understanding better how to pick his spots, using his floater more and even passing better. if he continues to improve it'll be hard not to bring him back. so some people judged him early and they were right. but he looks better right now so we'll see what happens and how it goes from here.

Yeah. I believe that.

He also said prior to the season that it's going to take him 20-25 games to get everything under his belt. This would be around when that should be starting.

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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#515 » by DOT » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:42 pm

The main reason I think we should keep him is continuity, which is something we haven't had in a long time. People overlook this, but look at the Raptors. Every year they are able to overachieve their talent level (which I'm not saying they're bad, but they shouldn't be as good as they are) because their core of Lowry, DeRozan, and Valanciunas have been together for a long time, and Dwane Casey has been coaching there for 5 or 6 years

I don't get the "he's not a point guard he's a shooting guard" people

You know who else isn't a point guard?
2-time MVP and champion Steph Curry
Reigning champion Kyrie Irving
Triple Double machine Russell Westbrook

If Derrick can stay healthy this year, and continue to improve his game they way he has the last ten or so games, I would only not bring him back if we were guaranteed Chris Paul, and even then I'm still hesitant because his game should stay elite for a long time, he's always injured in the playoffs, and I really don't want to be paying someone 30 mil when they're 35
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#516 » by King of Canada » Mon Dec 5, 2016 2:47 pm

We really need to make sure Jennings comes back. I feel like he really has found a home here. Eventual 6th man of the year?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#517 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:00 pm

K-DOT wrote:The main reason I think we should keep him is continuity, which is something we haven't had in a long time. People overlook this, but look at the Raptors. Every year they are able to overachieve their talent level (which I'm not saying they're bad, but they shouldn't be as good as they are) because their core of Lowry, DeRozan, and Valanciunas have been together for a long time, and Dwane Casey has been coaching there for 5 or 6 years

I don't get the "he's not a point guard he's a shooting guard" people

You know who else isn't a point guard?
2-time MVP and champion Steph Curry
Reigning champion Kyrie Irving
Triple Double machine Russell Westbrook

If Derrick can stay healthy this year, and continue to improve his game they way he has the last ten or so games, I would only not bring him back if we were guaranteed Chris Paul, and even then I'm still hesitant because his game should stay elite for a long time, he's always injured in the playoffs, and I really don't want to be paying someone 30 mil when they're 35

if Rose was anywhere near the caliber of those 3 players then it wouldn't be a problem...I'll admit that he's played well the last couple of games tho
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#518 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:01 pm

2010 wrote:
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2010 wrote:Chris Paul - pipedream

Jrue Holiday - also injury-prone and not convinced he's actually any better than Rose, even when fully healthy

George Hill - overrated by dudes around here

Jeff Teague - *yawn*

Who else?


Patty Mills/Livingston/Collison/Jennings?

Cheaper options, but we would still most likely have to give them nice deals


Aside from bringing back Jennings, I am not interested in any of those dudes. As long as Rose is healthy I think continuity with the roster is more beneficial than saving a few bucks and bringing in a lower tier PG.


For me it depends how much everyone costs, and where Rose and the Knicks are at the end of the season. Continuity is a really good point. I think the Knicks will end up bringing him back with that being a big reason. If we do bring him back, I hope it'll be a shorter deal.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#519 » by dakomish23 » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:04 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Imagine Rose was missing as many games as Lin?


The hot takes would hit critical mass.

Instead, we get mild praise like "the team doesn't suck" and "he's been ok but far from vintage DRose"

I don't get it. Who the f thought the Knicks would be getting MVP DRose.

I still think he plays like a SG more than a PG. I think he misses way too many open players and is failing to recognize the gravity he has in his drives, though yesterday I saw him do a way better job so maybe there's hope. I think he can dribble the ball out of the air. I think he tries to get bailed out sometimes by flinging himself into the rim protection.

STILL a massive upgrade over anything we've had in a long time.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#520 » by bringinhinkie » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:07 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
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hes at a -4

at this point it's obvious you dont watch

and btw, the knicks lead was 6 or 7 when he came out in the 2nd.. jennings unit ballooned it to 18..

keep trying


Look - if you're gonna make a statistical argument, don't come in with that "you don't watch" crap. "You don't watch" should be accompanied with game discussion.

Rose was finding guys early. They just weren't hitting. KP, in particular, got a few good looks early but started out colder than a moose's tuckus on an Artic prairie. Rose took it upon himself and hit a bunch of shots that kept the game from getting out of hand. He had a good feel for what he needed to do. Then Melo returned and the Knicks began to build their lead.

Rose was fine tonight.


Every post I read of this guy is him here to tell us Rose is no good and, will be a negative and, we will regret him. It is agenda driven. Trollosh behavior IMO.


come back to this thread when we play a real team and you are all crying about rose

just because a players numbers *appear* efficient, does not mean he is good for the team.. he plays one way, his way

for the 2nd time, the knicks were up by about 6 or 7 before rose came out for jennings.. minutes later the knicks were up by 18.. midway through the game, rose came back in, committed at least 3 TOs that I can remember, and the lead was cut

oh BTW, again, for the third time, the kings are one of the worst teams in the league, the knicks had an 18 point lead at one point, and rose finished a MINUS 2, while Jennings a +10

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there is no way anyone who knows the game of basketball can support the way this guy plays.. the only silver lining is he did look for his teammates more in the first, and down the stretch in the 4th, especially the 4th.. but if you honestly think he isn't going to revert back to his way 90% of the time, you are going to be very disappointed

and btw, he gives up far more than he gets

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you guys will feel soooooooooo foolish when the knicks are not playing the worst teams in the league

and lol at posting fg% etc.. ITS HIS GAME!!! %'s mean nothing.. his game does not convert to a winning team! I am the one backing up facts while the homers just say "omg he looks so good", yet I am the troll?

he is among the worst starting players in the NBA, and again, please bump this thread when the knicks play teams .500 or above

Jennings is far far far far superior.. and he is the one that ballooned the lead, not Melo (to whoever tried saying that)

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