Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

[blanko]

In the end Melo will get bought out.

if dolan was going to buy out 50 mil of melo's contract, he would not have fired phill and paid him 24 mil. Firing phil was dolan choosing between loosing 50 mil and 25 mil. My guess is that dolan had an understanding with melo, that melo would agree with a trade as long as phil got fired.

[drekwins]

wait summer of 2019 kp gets his supermax right? so than that means 2018 is the year we have to strike.

No, there's different levels of max's. Going into free agency, he will only have a cap hold of about 13 million. We can sign other free agents based off that 13 million number and then sign him last. This is what SA did with Kawhi to get LMA. Kawhi was the last to sign. Also, the supermax does not apply to him. Players with 0-6 years of experience are eligible for 25% of the salary cap number. Assuming a cap of 105M, that would put him at 26,250,000. However, the only relevant number at this time is his cap hold.

so you are saying he could be getting paid 26 million or more and only 13 million will count against the cap?

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max), which is $26,250,00.

Therefore, if he waits to sign his deal, we will $12,000,000 extra to spend. Looking towards that summer, if we are able to move Lee in a salary dump and stretch Noah, assuming that we add no other salary except for draft picks, we will have roughly 60 million in cap space. That's because we will have all rookie contracts except KP's cap hold and minimum roster holds.

[chiefbocker]

Under NO circumstance is Houston trading capella..

And under no circumstance, we should take Anderson

we don't have a choice, we can try to flip anderson later. A stretch 4 is a valued commodity in the modern nba. We can't do anything with a stretched contract (if we buy out carmelo). The only way the salaries match is if Anderson is in the deal.

The knicks have no leverage.

The only other team Melo would agree to a trade to is Cleveland:
The cavs are not giving up Love for melo.
a cavs trade would require us taking tristan thompson - something i don't think Cleveland would do.

Again. the KNicks have no leverage

If we buy out carmelo, his cap hit would be $10.8 million for 5 years. We can not trade that cap hit. we can't do anythign with that cap hit. We can flip anderson for smaller more manageable contracts.

not sure if we don´t have leverage. Cavs and rockets know, that with those team they have right now, they won´t beat the Warriors.
And i'm pretty sure that they also know that Melo will give them something they actually don't have.
Be Patient, and they will give us a good package and/or find a third team.

[Dantares]

No, there's different levels of max's. Going into free agency, he will only have a cap hold of about 13 million. We can sign other free agents based off that 13 million number and then sign him last. This is what SA did with Kawhi to get LMA. Kawhi was the last to sign. Also, the supermax does not apply to him. Players with 0-6 years of experience are eligible for 25% of the salary cap number. Assuming a cap of 105M, that would put him at 26,250,000. However, the only relevant number at this time is his cap hold.

so you are saying he could be getting paid 26 million or more and only 13 million will count against the cap?

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max).

that doesnt help us though. I thought we could sign a bunch of free agents and then sign KP to a max deal. but you are telling me no right? so 2018 is the last year before KP gets his max.

[Carl_Karlson]

Let's hope this starts a bidding war between the Cavs and Rox and this makes Ainge panic.

Rather have Love over Anderson, obviously, since he can be flipped easier and for more/better assets

[MP4LIFE]

Let's hope this starts a bidding war between the Cavs and Rox and this makes Ainge panic.

Rather have Love over Anderson, obviously, since he can be flipped easier and for more/better assets

I don't think the Cavs are trading Love for Melo. Just seems like a step down all around. More likely they'll offer their large contracts, which we can hopefully include a third team in and just get back a TPE and some 2nds or a protected 1st for Melo.

The Rockets are a better partner in that their players will make it easier to include a third team since they have more value.

[islanders11040]

wait summer of 2019 kp gets his supermax right? so than that means 2018 is the year we have to strike.

No, there's different levels of max's. Going into free agency, he will only have a cap hold of about 13 million. We can sign other free agents based off that 13 million number and then sign him last. This is what SA did with Kawhi to get LMA. Kawhi was the last to sign. Also, the supermax does not apply to him. Players with 0-6 years of experience are eligible for 25% of the salary cap number. Assuming a cap of 105M, that would put him at 26,250,000. However, the only relevant number at this time is his cap hold.

so you are saying he could be getting paid 26 million or more and only 13 million will count against the cap?

yes

edit: might be slightly higher in new CBA as stated by poster above.

[KnicksGadfly]

Just send Melo home if this is all we get

[drekwins]

so you are saying he could be getting paid 26 million or more and only 13 million will count against the cap?

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max).

that doesnt help us though. I thought we could sign a bunch of free agents and then sign KP to a max deal. but you are telling me no right? so 2018 is the last year before KP gets his max.

You're not understanding. You can do that. We only have KP's cap hold, Willy, Ntilikina, Lee, Noah, 2018 1st Rnd Pick and 2019 First Rnd Pick scheduled to be on the books that year. If we get rid of Lee in a salary dump, we'll have about 50-55 (38-43 if KP signs first) million in cap space. Then, if we strech Noah, we will have 60-65 (48-53 if KP signs first) million in cap space. If we are able to find a taker for Noah in that last year, we'll have 70-75 (58-63 if KP signs first) million in cap space for free agents or trade. We're going to have a lot of cap space. As long as KP waits to sign his deal until after we are finished making moves that summer, we will benefit by having 12 mill extra to spend.

[jermsknicks]

Read on Twitter

It has to be a three-way trade. I'll take Anderson if it means getting rid of Noah.

Anderson, Capela and Hartenstein for Melo and Noah


Or


A three-team deal

Nice, if they take Noah....!

[Dantares]

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max).

that doesnt help us though. I thought we could sign a bunch of free agents and then sign KP to a max deal. but you are telling me no right? so 2018 is the last year before KP gets his max.

You're not understanding. You can do that. We only have KP's cap hold, Willy, Ntilikina, Lee, Noah, 2018 1st Rnd Pick and 2019 First Rnd Pick scheduled to be on the books that year. If we get rid of Lee in a salary dump, we'll have about 50-55 (38-43 if KP signs first) million in cap space. Then, if we strech Noah, we will have 60-65 (48-53 if KP signs first) million in cap space. If we are able to find a taker for Noah in that last year, we'll have 70-75 (58-63 if KP signs first) million in cap space for free agents or trade. We're going to have a lot of cap space. As long as KP waits to sign his deal until after we are finished making moves that summer, we will benefit by having 12 mill extra to spend.

good stuff. sweet!

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Okafor for lee??

[Rocket_Raccoon]

so you are saying he could be getting paid 26 million or more and only 13 million will count against the cap?

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max).

that doesnt help us though. I thought we could sign a bunch of free agents and then sign KP to a max deal. but you are telling me no right? so 2018 is the last year before KP gets his max.

Yep, which means Noah will still be on the books during the year we'd want to sign someone before KP gets his max (although we can just stretch Noah if we really need the cap space...

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Okafor and stauskas for clee??

[drekwins]

Until he actually signs the deal, yes. I just looked up the CBA info again and it used to be that players had a cap hold of 200% coming off their rookie contract. They just increased it to 250% in the latest CBA.

That means that KP will have a cap hold of: $14,242,635 during restricted free agency, until he actually signs. Then, the amount will go to 25% of the cap (Assuming he gets the max).

that doesnt help us though. I thought we could sign a bunch of free agents and then sign KP to a max deal. but you are telling me no right? so 2018 is the last year before KP gets his max.

Yep, which means Noah will still be on the books during the year we'd want to sign someone before KP gets his max (although we can just stretch Noah if we really need the cap space...

Which is why I think we need to start trying to trade our guys like OQuinn, Lee, Kuz and all other spare parts for any future picks that we can get. Once Noah is in his last year, his deal wont look so bad. If we can pair him with a pick or two that we acquire now, someone might take him. Gotta plan ahead.

[Greenie]

you guys are trying to clear cap space for what?
Free Agents?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

How much you wanna bet players are going to tell us to kick rocks?

tank for the next 5 years and stop playing.

[chiefbocker]

Okafor and stauskas for clee??

where ist that coming from?

[drekwins]

you guys are trying to clear cap space for what?
Free Agents?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

How much you wanna bet players are going to tell us to kick rocks?

tank for the next 5 years and stop playing.

No, for trades as well. Your boy Rubio was traded for cap space, the Butler deal was facilitated because Minny had cap space and lastly, the Paul George deal was made easier because the Pacers had cap space. It's a myth that cap space only helps with signing free agents. It makes trades much easier to complete.

For instance, if that summer comes around and Portland still has a 140 million dollar payroll. We could take Lillard for literally a 1st round pick straight up. We could do that because we can absorb his entire salary. I'm not saying that they would do that but we would save them north of $50 million by doing that deal when you include the luxury tax. It gives us options to build a team around KP. I'm not saying that Lillard is our target. It's just an example.

Also, keep in mind, the cap has risen but not every player has received new deals yet. There's a lot of teams under the cap now but there won't be in 2 years. It's going to catch up as everyone contract expires. Therefore, we will be sitting pretty while others have less and less flexibility. This will put us in a good position to capitalize on that.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Okafor and stauskas for clee??

where ist that coming from?

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[Greenie]

you guys are trying to clear cap space for what?
Free Agents?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

How much you wanna bet players are going to tell us to kick rocks?

tank for the next 5 years and stop playing.

No, for trades as well. Your boy Rubio was traded for cap space, the Butler deal was facilitated because Minny had cap space and lastly, the Paul George deal was made easier because the Pacers had cap space. It's a myth that cap space only helps with signing free agents. It makes trades much easier to complete.

For instance, if that summer comes around and Portland still has a 140 million dollar payroll. We could take Lillard for literally a 1st round pick straight up. We could do that because we can absorb his entire salary. I'm not saying that they would do that but we would save them north of $50 million by doing that deal when you include the luxury tax. It gives us options to build a team around KP. I'm not saying that Lillard is our target. It's just an example.

Also, keep in mind, the cap has risen but not every player has received new deals yet. There's a lot of teams under the cap now but there won't be in 2 years. It's going to catch up as everyone contract expires. Therefore, we will be sitting pretty while others have less and less flexibility. This will put us in a good position to capitalize on that.

Star players are not moved like that unless they straight up say they will leave (PG).
It's going to be KP paid even more than Melo and a bunch of bull.
Stars get paid anywhere. They are not coming here to get crapped on like Melo.
Clearing cap space so you can have the honor of paying the Mozgov and Deng type contracts is what you're looking at.