shtolky wrote:MP4LIFE wrote:shtolky wrote:
I responded to you. Show me which post are you referring to and I will gladly respond.
shtolky wrote:
I think I would know my own thought process better than you would. I'm not schilling for anything. I'm being logical and realistic, something you know nothing about. People like you who constantly overreact to things like this, minor deals involving mediocre players will never get old to me. You'd have thought we just dealt away a some crazy talented asset for nothing. Tell me then, what would you have considered to be an acceptable package in return?
I don't overreact to deals. You got the wrong guy there, buddy. I've never overrated mediocre Knicks prospects or downright scrubs like Mardy Collins and Tony Wroten over the years as others have. This isn't about that.
1. You don't trade Willy Hernangomez, who is 23 years old, on a team going nowhere. We are 'rebuilding', aren't we? Do you know many rebuilding teams trading 23 year olds and keeping veterans? Especially ones on team-friendly contracts.
2. Willy was worth more than 2 useless 2nd round picks, which have little value in the league. A late first or a young raw prospect would have been a much better return than 2 2nds which will potentially end up in useless trades for Elfrid Payton or used to draft Andy Rautins and Eric Chenowith.
3. Willy could have gained playing time with all the recent injuries and been inserted into the tanking lineup, padded his stats, and gained some additional value so that he could be packaged in a larger deal this summer.
We did not maximize Hernangomez's value. Even that small value that it is - it was not maximized. That's a failure by the front office. Willy should not have been the first to go. Not even close.
Fair points. I still disagree.
1. I agree you don't trade a 23 year old on a rebuilding team IF you think that player can be part of the rebuild. Obviously. However, it's clear we didn't think going forward he was a player that would provide significant minutes. Personally, I feel WHG is a dime a dozen player that was always going to be relegated to a bench role, 7th, 8th man if that. That's my personal opinion and it's why I am not broken up by the deal. Also, as to keeping the vets, the deadline is tomorrow. We can re-visit this, but almost all of our vets are on short term deals and won't be here in a year or two.
2. Again, we obviously agree to disagree. That's fine. As I said, I don't love the deal, but I don't hate it. Willy was never going to get a first. There are players around the league much better than Willy who are having a tough time commanding a first. I don't see how 2nd rounders are useless. I am not going to go back 30 years as you pointed out, but there have been MANY 2nd rounders this decade who have thrived. Yes, again, obviously firsts are better, but I am surprised we got two seconds for a player like WHG. Clearly a late first would have been better but there was just no way, in a seller's market, that we were getting a first for WHG.
3. Sure, this is true. I was at the game last night and was confused as to why Hornacek put him in at garbage time. For whatever reason, the organization soured on him and feel he's not worth the development. I think that had he played, he would have been exposed. I don't think his value would have risen to the point where he nets us a 1st rounder or a good young player.
Even if I conceded with you that we didn't maximize his trade value (I am not saying I am), the trade is a minor one. I can't see how much more value would could have extracted from WHG. You said there was small value, and we didn't maximize it. I see this as a minor move that doesn't warrant the hyperbole.
there is no difference. Sit your Disney channel ass...Coping pleas cause you liked a player. FOH.. 
