PG Thread: On the flipside, even though what we do is wrong, there's levels to this tank. The truth!(remi recap pg 19)

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Redick's highlights from last night (combining with Embiid) should be instructive for Mitch and Frank on both ends.

On the first play Frank gets bodied on two good screens - maybe Knox could have helped with some traffic directing, but that's a bit much to ask at this point. On the second he initially fights through one screen well, but is a little sloppy with his footwork and Redick sets a screen for the man Trier is defending, simultaneously lightly screening Frank off Redick himself, resulting in Frank being a step and a half behind when Redick uses Embiid to make sure of getting away from Frank. Third time .. meh, I'm not sure .. maybe he has to go under that Embiid screen, maybe Mitch has to step up one step quicker. The default play is to chase around and have the big cut off the guard before he can pass/shoot, but probably both of Frank and Mitch deserve some criticism there.

Overall they should be thinking (i) **** - we have to cut out that crap and (ii) **** - why aren't we running sets like that?

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[thebuzzardman]

This year is a useless year. Who knows who will be here. So he's just introducing the system. You will find players later and tweak when we have an actual team. I mean the dribble pitch is essentially a pick and roll. Our roll men suck at it. And ballhandlers only can shoot it or make an occasional pocket pass. There isn't too much difference between the pick and roll and the dho except the big gets to handle a little bit before the action starts.

Maybe so. All I know is basically these guys or guys who play like them (minus KP) ran this kind of play to better effect. I'm not saying Fiz needs to scrap the system, but a few tweaks would be ok. And yeah, half the guys won't be back, but half will.

There isn’t a system because it’s literally a throwaway audition year.

It wasn’t like this in Memphis, the ISO’s were there but not the just do anything you want to do with no curls, backdoor cuts, etc.

It’s happening like this only because they want to see which players can go for there’s and which players can’t.


For example this happened in Memphis:

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Not a bad shot. Now when you look at the play it’s quite basic. However, the best thing about this is how quick the offense goes into motion.

The play begins five seconds into the shot clock, which causes the defense to not be set and to be open to be exploited. When Gasol finally pops out, the offense is set whilst the defense doesn’t know what to do.



Every player now for the Grizzlies has space on the 3-point line to either shoot or even drive past their defender. This is Fizdale’s offense has already made the Memphis Grizzlies’ offense far more versatile than it has ever been.

It’s clear to see that David Fizdale is following the modern NBA mold by going for the fast-paced offense, similar to Mike D’Antoni’s “seven-seconds-or-less” offense.

The best way to analyze the offense is shown through this video of D’Antoni himself.

Watch on YouTube

Now tell me that isn’t the exact same offense as that Gasol 3 earlier?

This offense is now the norm in the NBA and it’s good to see that Fizdale is trying to implement it for the Grizzlies.

He’s no genius but I seen the man coach in Memphis & im telling you guys not to let this first season be your view of him as a coach. Give him talent and you’ll understand why I was so excited that we hired him.

I know there isn't a ton of talent, but these are some sort of NBA caliber player. Put the curls and movement in. They have to do this stuff eventually, even if it's every other guy.

[prophet_of_rage]

Maybe so. All I know is basically these guys or guys who play like them (minus KP) ran this kind of play to better effect. I'm not saying Fiz needs to scrap the system, but a few tweaks would be ok. And yeah, half the guys won't be back, but half will.

There isn’t a system because it’s literally a throwaway audition year.

It wasn’t like this in Memphis, the ISO’s were there but not the just do anything you want to do with no curls, backdoor cuts, etc.

It’s happening like this only because they want to see which players can go for there’s and which players can’t.


For example this happened in Memphis:

Watch on YouTube

Not a bad shot. Now when you look at the play it’s quite basic. However, the best thing about this is how quick the offense goes into motion.

The play begins five seconds into the shot clock, which causes the defense to not be set and to be open to be exploited. When Gasol finally pops out, the offense is set whilst the defense doesn’t know what to do.



Every player now for the Grizzlies has space on the 3-point line to either shoot or even drive past their defender. This is Fizdale’s offense has already made the Memphis Grizzlies’ offense far more versatile than it has ever been.

It’s clear to see that David Fizdale is following the modern NBA mold by going for the fast-paced offense, similar to Mike D’Antoni’s “seven-seconds-or-less” offense.

The best way to analyze the offense is shown through this video of D’Antoni himself.

Watch on YouTube

Now tell me that isn’t the exact same offense as that Gasol 3 earlier?

This offense is now the norm in the NBA and it’s good to see that Fizdale is trying to implement it for the Grizzlies.

He’s no genius but I seen the man coach in Memphis & im telling you guys not to let this first season be your view of him as a coach. Give him talent and you’ll understand why I was so excited that we hired him.

I know there isn't a ton of talent, but these are some sort of NBA caliber player. Put the curls and movement in. They have to do this stuff eventually, even if it's every other guy.

Remember how we looked in the triangle? When you don't have good players you can't run a lot of options.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Maybe so. All I know is basically these guys or guys who play like them (minus KP) ran this kind of play to better effect. I'm not saying Fiz needs to scrap the system, but a few tweaks would be ok. And yeah, half the guys won't be back, but half will.

There isn’t a system because it’s literally a throwaway audition year.

It wasn’t like this in Memphis, the ISO’s were there but not the just do anything you want to do with no curls, backdoor cuts, etc.

It’s happening like this only because they want to see which players can go for there’s and which players can’t.


For example this happened in Memphis:

Watch on YouTube

Not a bad shot. Now when you look at the play it’s quite basic. However, the best thing about this is how quick the offense goes into motion.

The play begins five seconds into the shot clock, which causes the defense to not be set and to be open to be exploited. When Gasol finally pops out, the offense is set whilst the defense doesn’t know what to do.



Every player now for the Grizzlies has space on the 3-point line to either shoot or even drive past their defender. This is Fizdale’s offense has already made the Memphis Grizzlies’ offense far more versatile than it has ever been.

It’s clear to see that David Fizdale is following the modern NBA mold by going for the fast-paced offense, similar to Mike D’Antoni’s “seven-seconds-or-less” offense.

The best way to analyze the offense is shown through this video of D’Antoni himself.

Watch on YouTube

Now tell me that isn’t the exact same offense as that Gasol 3 earlier?

This offense is now the norm in the NBA and it’s good to see that Fizdale is trying to implement it for the Grizzlies.

He’s no genius but I seen the man coach in Memphis & im telling you guys not to let this first season be your view of him as a coach. Give him talent and you’ll understand why I was so excited that we hired him.

I know there isn't a ton of talent, but these are some sort of NBA caliber player. Put the curls and movement in. They have to do this stuff eventually, even if it's every other guy.

You knownwhy Fiz isn't playing fast? They can't. You knkwnwhy the defence is soft. They can't defend. Who are you running curls for? Burke? THard? Who is setting screens? Not Mitch. Let Fiz get a real team with real players and see.

His system exposes players who can't think the game.

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[JBreezeNY]

Maybe so. All I know is basically these guys or guys who play like them (minus KP) ran this kind of play to better effect. I'm not saying Fiz needs to scrap the system, but a few tweaks would be ok. And yeah, half the guys won't be back, but half will.

There isn’t a system because it’s literally a throwaway audition year.

It wasn’t like this in Memphis, the ISO’s were there but not the just do anything you want to do with no curls, backdoor cuts, etc.

It’s happening like this only because they want to see which players can go for there’s and which players can’t.


For example this happened in Memphis:

Watch on YouTube

Not a bad shot. Now when you look at the play it’s quite basic. However, the best thing about this is how quick the offense goes into motion.

The play begins five seconds into the shot clock, which causes the defense to not be set and to be open to be exploited. When Gasol finally pops out, the offense is set whilst the defense doesn’t know what to do.



Every player now for the Grizzlies has space on the 3-point line to either shoot or even drive past their defender. This is Fizdale’s offense has already made the Memphis Grizzlies’ offense far more versatile than it has ever been.

It’s clear to see that David Fizdale is following the modern NBA mold by going for the fast-paced offense, similar to Mike D’Antoni’s “seven-seconds-or-less” offense.

The best way to analyze the offense is shown through this video of D’Antoni himself.

Watch on YouTube

Now tell me that isn’t the exact same offense as that Gasol 3 earlier?

This offense is now the norm in the NBA and it’s good to see that Fizdale is trying to implement it for the Grizzlies.

He’s no genius but I seen the man coach in Memphis & im telling you guys not to let this first season be your view of him as a coach. Give him talent and you’ll understand why I was so excited that we hired him.

I know there isn't a ton of talent, but these are some sort of NBA caliber player. Put the curls and movement in. They have to do this stuff eventually, even if it's every other guy.

But the thing is Buzz we really don’t have good talent on the team, honest to god.

My personal view is this, why implement certain coaching principles for players that won’t be here next season?

We saw what happened when Quincy Acy, Dalembert & Langston Galloway were players getting minutes in the triangle offense....nothing happened. None of those players are on the team to this day.

This system like the triangle requires players who can think fast & make decisions.

It’s why Frank looks so terrible, it’s why there’s barely any screens happening.

[JBreezeNY]

There isn’t a system because it’s literally a throwaway audition year.

It wasn’t like this in Memphis, the ISO’s were there but not the just do anything you want to do with no curls, backdoor cuts, etc.

It’s happening like this only because they want to see which players can go for there’s and which players can’t.


For example this happened in Memphis:





He’s no genius but I seen the man coach in Memphis & im telling you guys not to let this first season be your view of him as a coach. Give him talent and you’ll understand why I was so excited that we hired him.

I know there isn't a ton of talent, but these are some sort of NBA caliber player. Put the curls and movement in. They have to do this stuff eventually, even if it's every other guy.

You knownwhy Fiz isn't playing fast? They can't. You knkwnwhy the defence is soft. They can't defend. Who are you running curls for? Burke? THard? Who is setting screens? Not Mitch. Let Fiz get a real team with real players and see.

His system exposes players who can't think the game.

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Preeeeeeeaaach.

Speak the truth brother.

Said it before I got a chance to type it out.

I keep saying it, people are gonna see Fiz’s System two years from now and be mystified at what they’re seeing compared to this season. And they’re gonna claim that he learned from his mistakes, etc, etc when they couldn’t be more wrong.

[Capn'O]

I buy that. TBH - I haven't invested much analysis or even time watching in this season much for that reason. What are we even looking at? I'll watch some teams that are a little bit further into it with discretion. This team - just see what the young players are showing physically and mentally. If they can be long term pieces.

[KnickFan33]

My personal view is this, why implement certain coaching principles for players that won’t be here next season?

I'm not sure I understand. Would it not make sense to implement the coaching principles for those that will be here next season?

And which players on the team do you think are capable of making quick decisions?

[GONYK]

Why do we need to implement a full offense for Burke to pass the ball?

[JBreezeNY]

My personal view is this, why implement certain coaching principles for players that won’t be here next season?

I'm not sure I understand. Would it not make sense to implement the coaching principles for those that will be here next season?

And which players on the team do you think are capable of making quick decisions?

Of course it would but it’s easier to transition the players who are clearly showing that they’re good athletically/offensivally with pratically no system in place vs trying to teach a system in a year that we’re not going to be good and where some wont be back.

And honestly off the top of my head I can’t think of any which is why I understand why Fiz looks at KP as a savior of sorts.

[JBreezeNY]

Why do we need to implement a full offense for Burke to pass the ball?

You don’t but Burke has shown he has offensive skills, the name of the game this season isn’t pass ball it’s auditon your offense ball.

[GONYK]

If Fiz isn't implementing an offense, a defense, or settling on a rotation, what actual coaching is he doing?

[GONYK]

Why do we need to implement a full offense for Burke to pass the ball?

You don’t but Burke has shown he has offensive skills, the name of the game this season isn’t pass ball it’s auditon your offense ball.

It's bad ball, and pretty low hanging fruit towards playing the style Fiz said he wanted.

[IllmaticHandler]

If Fiz isn't implementing an offense, a defense, or settling on a rotation, what actual coaching is he doing?

how to chop wood?

[Thugger HBC]

I recall players calling Jeff out quite early in his tenure. Fiz seems to have all of the players trust to say the least.

That's a plus in my book in such a short time.

[KnickFan33]

My personal view is this, why implement certain coaching principles for players that won’t be here next season?

I'm not sure I understand. Would it not make sense to implement the coaching principles for those that will be here next season?

And which players on the team do you think are capable of making quick decisions?

Of course it would but it’s easier to transition the players who are clearly showing that they’re good athletically/offensivally with pratically no system in place vs trying to teach a system in a year that we’re not going to be good and where some wont be back.

And honestly off the top of my head I can’t think of any which is why I understand why Fiz looks at KP as a savior of sorts.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Athletic players and scorers are a dime a dozen, but they don't necessarily equate with high BBIQ. I'd much rather know who can definitely work and adapt within the system than trying to figure out who might work within said system.

[JBreezeNY]

Why do we need to implement a full offense for Burke to pass the ball?

You don’t but Burke has shown he has offensive skills, the name of the game this season isn’t pass ball it’s auditon your offense ball.

It's bad ball, and pretty low hanging fruit towards playing the style Fiz said he wanted.

While you’re correct it boils back down to why get in a huff about what you’re seeing this year?

From the gameplan to the plays to the adjustments, it’s all for naught because it’s a season that players potentially will be traded or will leave.

There’s a possibility that Kanter, Lee, Mudiay & Burke could all be on different teams next season. I believe the same holds for Trier but I’m not too familiar with his contract situation. In the case of those things happening it kind of becomes a freestyle type of play. Does it go against what he originally stated? Probably.

[GONYK]

You don’t but Burke has shown he has offensive skills, the name of the game this season isn’t pass ball it’s auditon your offense ball.

It's bad ball, and pretty low hanging fruit towards playing the style Fiz said he wanted.

While you’re correct it boils back down to why get in a huff about what you’re seeing this year?

From the gameplan to the plays to the adjustments, it’s all for naught because it’s a season that players potentially will be traded or will leave.

There’s a possibility that Kanter, Lee, Mudiay & Burke could all be on different teams next season. I believe the same holds for Trier but I’m not too familiar with his contract situation. In the case of those things happening it kind of becomes a freestyle type of play. Does it go against what he originally stated? Probably.

Because, in the mean time, we are catering to these players who won't be here.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Right, mods - Thugger, GoNYK, .. not sure who else is around, I'm about to put a bunch of guys on ignore (foes) - since RealGM has that functionality. If that is not allowed now is the time to tell me. :thumb:

[JBreezeNY]

I'm not sure I understand. Would it not make sense to implement the coaching principles for those that will be here next season?

And which players on the team do you think are capable of making quick decisions?

Of course it would but it’s easier to transition the players who are clearly showing that they’re good athletically/offensivally with pratically no system in place vs trying to teach a system in a year that we’re not going to be good and where some wont be back.

And honestly off the top of my head I can’t think of any which is why I understand why Fiz looks at KP as a savior of sorts.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Athletic players and scorers are a dime a dozen, but they don't necessarily equate with high BBIQ. I'd much rather know who can definitely work and adapt within the system than trying to figure out who might work within said system.

But we don’t have any players with high BBIQ so just tossing them in a system isn’t solving anything.

I already brought up an example earlier of the 17 win season when we players in a system and it exposed every player on that team.

Us not running a system is actually exposing the players on this team for not being able to think fast or make basketball plays.

The bright side however is it’s showing us players that are aggressive enough to call for their own shots and make scoring decisions that otherwise passive players wouldn’t, which is why Frank is being exposed under an intense bright light right now. The same with defense, not much of a defensive set going on but early in the season we had players praising the defense and we still have players being aggressive on their own, making plays.

All of that is going to be condensed & smoother next year when we have more talented players so we can take the good we have and make it better & structured.