Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

god shammgod · Post #501 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:49 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

that's true. if you start rj and trier, rj can handle most of the point guard duties and you'd get the shooting you need from the backcourt. i don't think people realize what a good play-maker he is. but if they thought that, payton wouldn't be here.

newyorker4ever · Post #502 » by **newyorker4ever** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:51 pm

VCBC wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
VCBC wrote:So Perry decided to pass on a meeting w Kawhi for 4 bums? And yes, he could've signed Randle and Portis and still had a max slot.

Please tell me this is fake news. Regardless, fire Perry & Mills stat

I'm sure the Knicks were the 4th team on his list of Toronto, Lakers, Clips and Knicks so we didn't have the best chance at getting him to actually choose us so the Knicks chose to start the process of becoming a winning team and creating a winning culture which is what other big name free agents will want to choose to play for you. So the main thing you said was they passed on a meeting not on signing Kawhi. It was juts a meeting that we weren't gonna get until the 3rd and by that time we wouldn't of been able to get much good young talent to come play for us especially on the type of contracts we got for the type B level free agents.

The guys we brought in are not bums so i think that's just a dumb thing to even say. I get it that it's not the big names we were all hoping for but all of the guys that we signed are good at certain things but none are good at everything but the guys that are good at everything are the super stars. Whoever the Lakers get to put around Lebron and AD won't be good at everything, the guys Kawhi had around him last year weren't good at everything and this goes for every team that does have a super star or two. The Nets had no players at all that were good at everything but they played as a team and became a more attractive situation to the big names then the Knicks because of that so now this is what the Knicks need to do.
Who cares if it's "just" a meeting?! You take it regardless especially if Kawhi signs a 1+1 and goes back into FA.

You're about to sell your business and 2 PE shops offer the same terms, 1 shop you've met with, the other canceled a meeting with you and has a reputation of being a chip shop.

It's just bad, bad business especially when a meeting with Kawhi was a choice to focus on him or Taj, Ellington, Payton, Bullock.

The day the Knicks drop this is the "Mecca" and "We are the Knicks" mentality is when the league will start taking them seriously. The arrogance and idiocy is off the charts in Dolan and Mills, jury still out on Perry

They should of at least took a meeting to make sure Kawhi knew that hey in a year or two if you're back on the market we would still be very interested in signing you. I'm sure they still did that through his agent or whatever but if he was still okay with giving you that meeting even after we spent all of our cap they should of taken the time to do that. I agree with that 100%.

By the way i'm not one of the people on here that has been praising S.Perry like some have and have said multiple times that i don't like that he hasn't shown he can be creative and have said multiple times that the jury is still out on him IMO.

iLLmatic860 · Post #503 » by **iLLmatic860** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:58 pm

I agree Trier def seems like he destined to be a 6th man of the year one day.

stuporman · Post #504 » by **stuporman** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:58 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

that's true. if you start rj and trier, rj can handle most of the point guard duties and you'd get the shooting you need from the backcourt. i don't think people realize what a good play-maker he is. but if they thought that, payton wouldn't be here.

I think the Knicks wanted one solid 'true pg' on the roster, a guy who can facilitate the offense with the starting unit because it might have been too much to ask RJ to do it full time as a rookie.

Other than Frank who nobody knows what his deal is between the ears the Knicks didn't have another genuine passing PG. Plus, Elf provides some defensive energy which is needed in the starting group.

Oh and yea, I'm of the opinion that Elf is beating out DSJr for the starting spot if you didn't notice. :lol:

Post #505 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:01 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

that's true. if you start rj and trier, rj can handle most of the point guard duties and you'd get the shooting you need from the backcourt. i don't think people realize what a good play-maker he is. but if they thought that, payton wouldn't be here.

Yea,i really like RJ handing the ball. I'm sure he'll get some chances. I hope hes encouraged to be more of a facilitator. It will be interesting to see how the rotations work out.

Stannis · Post #506 » by **Stannis** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:09 pm

I don't get how Utah isn't favored to win the West...

Post #507 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:10 pm

stuporman wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

that's true. if you start rj and trier, rj can handle most of the point guard duties and you'd get the shooting you need from the backcourt. i don't think people realize what a good play-maker he is. but if they thought that, payton wouldn't be here.

I think the Knicks wanted one solid 'true pg' on the roster, a guy who can facilitate the offense with the starting unit because it might have been too much to ask RJ to do it full time as a rookie.

Other than Frank who nobody knows what his deal is between the ears the Knicks didn't have another genuine passing PG. Plus, Elf provides some defensive energy which is needed in the starting group.

Oh and yea, I'm of the opinion that Elf is beating out DSJr for the starting spot if you didn't notice.

PG and SF seem to be the positions most open for competition. I would say spacing would be a concern with Elf, but its probably a concern even with DSJ. Not sure who will win the starting spor but they will probably split the minutes either way and Fiz may just go with the hot hand.

makeitstop · Post #508 » by **makeitstop** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:12 pm

Stannis wrote:I don't get how Utah isn't favored to win the West...

For what it's worth, SAS has mentioned them as a solid contender a few times this week.

Triple C · Post #509 » by **Triple C** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:18 pm

Besart19 · Post #510 » by **Besart19** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:22 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

that's true. if you start rj and trier, rj can handle most of the point guard duties and you'd get the shooting you need from the backcourt. i don't think people realize what a good play-maker he is. but if they thought that, payton wouldn't be here.

I think the plan is to get Oladipo.

Oladipo and Barrett as a starting backcourt, Payton and Trier as backups

Post #511 » by **King of Canada** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:24 pm

MPJr is apparently made of waffle cones

Ray Williams · Post #512 » by **Ray Williams** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:30 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
Rooster8 wrote:I told a co worker a couple weeks back that I could see Zion getting fat really easy. He's going to have to work harder than most to be in top shape

Zion's gonna be a beast, he's a hard worker. Get a good mid range game and the skys the limit for him

I don't see the LJ build really. Or Barkley. He's stockier and shorter I think. But I'm sure he will be very good.

Truck Robinson with hops

Mecca · Post #513 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:34 pm

Amar’e looks awful in the big 3 league and wants to come back to the NBA, lmao!

Post #514 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:36 pm

I know a lot of people will clutch pearls but if Fiz continues to look lost, we should give Thibs a shot.

Da_Mane_Man · Post #515 » by **Da_Mane_Man** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:36 pm

Does Kawhi wanna go to James Dolan's 4th of July party you think?

Post #516 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:44 pm

Da_Mane_Man wrote:Does Kawhi wanna go to James Dolan's 4th of July party you think?

LOL

Polk377 · Post #517 » by **Polk377** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:51 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
Polk377 wrote:After doing some studying on the players we have I came up with the best rotation for the Knicks next season.

PG: Payton
SG: Barrett
SF: Knox
PF: Randle
C: Robinson

6th man: Smith Jr
7: Portis
8: Bullock
9: Gibson
10: Ntilikina
11: Dotson
12: Trier
13: Ellington

Inactive: Iggy and TBD

Payton over DSJ starting because he is a better pure facilitator and defender who also has chemistry with Randle from NO. Randle as the high pick option and primary scorer at PF. Barrett is an obvious at SG as a secondary playmaker and iso scorer. Knox as a spacer, cutter and spot up option at SF. Mitch for his defense and pick and roll with Payton lobs and dumps.

DSJ can be a sparkplug off the bench replacing either guard position. Portis gives Randle a break and takes his duties. Bullock replaces either Knox or Barrett providing another shooter and defender. Gibson then relieves Mitch giving them another inside defender to go with Portis' scoring. Certain nights Frank can come in instead of Bullock for defensive reasons and keeping a secondary playmaker on the court. Other nights Dotson can get the call. Trier will have to work his way into the rotation. Ellington is on the bench as a vet presence and situational shooter.

What do you guys think? Seems pretty balanced to me.

Also, it was interesting seeing in the 2 years Portis and Gibson were teammates they never shared the court together. It would seem like the 2 would compliment each other.

I also think that's probably our best lineup but the shooting is a problem with that lineup. I really really wish we would of found a shooting point guard. Wish we would of found a way to get D.Garland in the draft or found a free agent PG that can shoot like DLo. Knox will put up plenty but needs to get his percentages better at 3 and hopefully RJ really worked on his shooting and Randle is avg for a big man behind the arc but Bullock and Ellington are our guys and B.Portis so we'll have shooting to bring in from the bench but if we just had one big time 3 point shooter in that starting lineup would be nice.

Shooting to start games isn't really my biggest concern. Starting the game you want to set the pace and get the early grind. That is a lineup that can get teams in early foul trouble and get them off their set plan. There would be 3 willing passers who can get clean shots for Knox where he doesn't have to over extend his game and get Mitch easy buckets just through motion. We have shooters to come off the bench to set the spark.

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Post #518 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 5:54 pm

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Rooster8 · Post #519 » by **Rooster8** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 6:00 pm

Stannis wrote:I don't get how Utah isn't favored to win the West...

Idk, I would take Portland and Denver before them

TheBigBoss · Post #520 » by **TheBigBoss** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 6:09 pm

Da_Mane_Man wrote:Does Kawhi wanna go to James Dolan's 4th of July party you think?

Oh hell no! He trying to get that Dolan BBQ without signing the contract.