WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

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Is it me or does Begley look like dude from Always Sunny lol

[duetta]

The biggest thing that management needs to do over the short-term is to get in a coach who understands the mandate to develop young players - and not simply play guys who have big contracts. Of course, this requires him to be a teacher and impose a sense of order. All these guys on 1-year deals are in the way of long-term player development.

[bearadonisdna]

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

I'm honestly not sure who the better options are right now

who's out there for us that would work better?
I think its guys like David Blatt or someone and Im unsold on him

Honestly JVG would be a much better option as a similarly styled coach. Mecca mentioned Joerger earlier. Many options in the college ranks would have higher upside. Mike Miller on our staff would probably be a better option. I just don't think bringing in a guy with a history of making controversial statements on religion, homosexuality, etc. would be the greatest idea right now in 2019 for a team with a major image problem.

Was really surprised that the kings moved on from joerger. Kings came into the season flat on their face.
Would rank him over thibs right now tbh.
Thibs will have the intensity and defensive want- to to coach the knicks , his biggest cons would be treatment of star players and potentially running them into the ground.
Also the guys draft history is pretty spotty.
Only decents hits were butler and mirotic for chicago. Mirotic was a draft and stash while jimmy took YEARS to develop. Other than that, some pretty weak drafts like mcdermott, snell, teague and patton for minny.

[GONYK]

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

I personally checked out. Until we start having some fun and playing actual basketball I’ll come back.

You keep popping in every few hours to tell us you checked out

[HarthorneWingo]

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

It all came down to Melo, Lebron, et al. vs. Phil. Just like it came down to Melo vs. D'Antoni.

The Melo years - compounded by the Bargnani trade - is what set this franchise back as much as it did.

[DOT]

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

I personally checked out. Until we start having some fun and playing actual basketball I’ll come back.

You keep popping in every few hours to tell us you checked out

Yeah, this ain't a hotel

You can just leave when you want, ain't gotta tell us you're checking out

[Adelheid]

No to Mark J. We dont need a pastor on the court,

[HarthorneWingo]

The biggest thing that management needs to do over the short-term is to get in a coach who understands the mandate to develop young players - and not simply play guys who have big contracts. Of course, this requires him to be a teacher and impose a sense of order. All these guys on 1-year deals are in the way of long-term player development.

It has to be an edict from all three to these vets. Some kind of offensive system needs to be put in place.

[GONYK]

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

It all came down to Melo, Lebron, et al. vs. Phil. Just like it came down to Melo vs. D'Antoni.

The Melo years - compounded by the Bargnani trade - is what set this franchise back as much as it did.

What post did you think you responded to?

[god shammgod]

don't hire any coach right now. just let mike miller be the interim and reevaluate at the end of the year. stop trying to salvage the year. it's over and it's for the best honestly. we need the highest pick we can get.

mike miller is known to be a good defensive and development coach and had the most call ups over the last 2 years. and that's what we need, development. that's more important than the record.

Miller played a significant role in building Westchester’s program. When he joined the team, the Knicks were in their second season and were coming off a 10-40 season. Miller brought more than 25 years of experience, including two years as an assistant coach with the Austin Spurs. He was named the 2017-18 G League Coach of the Year and players gave their thoughts on what makes him in detail with player development.

The Knicks experienced great success in the past four seasons. Westchester went 102-98 and made three appearances in the G League postseason. Nine players earned a combined 14 call-ups, while their nine call-ups in the past two seasons are the most in the G League.

Miller is a defensive oriented coach and has built some high level teams in the G League. Westchester ranked No. 1 in opponent field goal percentage (42.5 percent), No. 2 opponent points per game (105.0), No. 2 in defensive rating (102.3), No. 2 opponent points in the paint (45.0), No. 3 in opponent fast break points (11.6), and No. 5 in opponent points off turnovers (17.4) during the 2018-19 season.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2019/6/19/18682787/report-westchester-knicks-head-coach-mike-miller-expected-to-join-david-fizdales-staff

[nyknicks09]

No to Mark Jackson! Let Mike Miller handle these young guys and find them more than 1 play in the offense for them to run and execute.

[Isiahthomass]

KP coming in and having a bonkers game, with the crowd booing like crazy will be the final nail in the coffin for Fizdale, and potentially Mills and Perry.

[HarthorneWingo]

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

It all came down to Melo, Lebron, et al. vs. Phil. Just like it came down to Melo vs. D'Antoni.

The Melo years - compounded by the Bargnani trade - is what set this franchise back as much as it did.

What post did you think you responded to?

Knicksfan1992. Why? lol

[GONYK]

It all came down to Melo, Lebron, et al. vs. Phil. Just like it came down to Melo vs. D'Antoni.

The Melo years - compounded by the Bargnani trade - is what set this franchise back as much as it did.

What post did you think you responded to?

Knicksfan1992. Why? lol

Wrong Jackson

[HarthorneWingo]

KP coming in and having a bonkers game, with the crowd booing like crazy will be the final nail in the coffin for Fizdale, and potentially Mills and Perry.

On National TV.

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not ready to make a martyr of Fizdale but I also don't trust Mills and Perry with the next coach selection...I'm torn because I want everyone gone but I'm not sure if getting rid of just one (the lowest on the totem pole) is a good thing or a token gesture to bide the leftover guys I'm pissed at time.

And why would you, they seriously interviewed Kenny Smith for the job before hiring Fiz.

It's a joke.

That's just a favor kind of thing. I'm no fan of Mills/Perry, but in these processes, where they interview a bunch of guys, there's a couple of bones tossed to help someone out. I don't like how the process played out, but I'm not concerned about Kenny Smith being in it.

[god shammgod]

It all came down to Melo, Lebron, et al. vs. Phil. Just like it came down to Melo vs. D'Antoni.

The Melo years - compounded by the Bargnani trade - is what set this franchise back as much as it did.

What post did you think you responded to?

Knicksfan1992. Why? lol

he's talking about mark jackson.

[HarthorneWingo]

What post did you think you responded to?

Knicksfan1992. Why? lol

Wrong Jackson

[GONYK]

don't hire any coach right now. just let mike miller be the interim and reevaluate at the end of the year. stop trying to salvage the year. it's over and it's for the best honestly. we need the highest pick we can get.

mike miller is known to be a good defensive and development coach and had the most call ups over the last 2 years. and that's what we need, development. that's more important than the record.

Miller played a significant role in building Westchester’s program. When he joined the team, the Knicks were in their second season and were coming off a 10-40 season. Miller brought more than 25 years of experience, including two years as an assistant coach with the Austin Spurs. He was named the 2017-18 G League Coach of the Year and players gave their thoughts on what makes him in detail with player development.

The Knicks experienced great success in the past four seasons. Westchester went 102-98 and made three appearances in the G League postseason. Nine players earned a combined 14 call-ups, while their nine call-ups in the past two seasons are the most in the G League.

Miller is a defensive oriented coach and has built some high level teams in the G League. Westchester ranked No. 1 in opponent field goal percentage (42.5 percent), No. 2 opponent points per game (105.0), No. 2 in defensive rating (102.3), No. 2 opponent points in the paint (45.0), No. 3 in opponent fast break points (11.6), and No. 5 in opponent points off turnovers (17.4) during the 2018-19 season.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2019/6/19/18682787/report-westchester-knicks-head-coach-mike-miller-expected-to-join-david-fizdales-staff

That's what's going to happen.

Dolan isn't going to hire another coach mid-season if he wants to pursue someone like Masai.

Coaches and Presidents like to build their own staff.

Dolan isn't going to pay Fiz, hire Jackson on a multi-year deal, then fire Jackson and pay him for whoever the new GM wants

[HarthorneWingo]

What post did you think you responded to?

Knicksfan1992. Why? lol

he's talking about mark jackson.

Only 10 mg?