2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[moocow007]

Just cause this draft has a lot of guards it doesn’t mean all of them will turn out good. Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry and was a bust

Yep. I called Flynn as a none PG as well before the draft. I'll admit I wasn't that high on Curry but at least with Curry you knew he could score like the dickens. Flynn? He was neither a PG nor a SG. He was a very aggressive guard that wore his emotions on his sleeve and that was able to use his real nice combination of strength and quickness to impact college games.

[mpharris36]

Knicks get: #1, Wiggins
Warriors get: Randle, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington

Let’s gooooo

Deal! Maybe.

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

[moocow007]

Knicks get: #1, Wiggins
Warriors get: Randle, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington

Let’s gooooo

Deal! Maybe.

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

I don't know. Depends. Wiggins has $10 million more each season for the next 2 then will count as an extra $30 million for the final year when Randle will be off the books already. Wiggins is the poster child for player you can't win with IMO. So from an overall value standpoint I think Randle has more value. So the question is what is the difference in that value and whether the Warriors see it that way. But then again, the Warriors have a much better front office (unless Rose proves otherwise) and they aren't bleeding for cash (their owner may actually have more money to burn than Dolan) so Wiggins contract probably isn't as big a negative as it would be for some other teams. I think if you put Randle on a team where the ball moves real well and he's not expected to be Lebron James, he'll actually fit in fine. Wiggins is a ball stopper in the truest sense and would seem to be the last player the Warriors would want.

[mpharris36]

Deal! Maybe.

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

I don't know. Depends. Wiggins has $10 million more each season for the next 2 then will count as an extra $30 million for the final year when Randle will be off the books already. Wiggins is the poster child for player you can't win with IMO. So from an overall value standpoint I think Randle has more value. So the question is what is the difference in that value and whether the Warriors see it that way. But then again, the Warriors have a much better front office (unless Rose proves otherwise) and they aren't bleeding for cash (their owner may actually have more money to burn than Dolan) so Wiggins contract probably isn't as big a negative as it would be for some other teams. I think if you put Randle on a team where the ball moves real well and he's not expected to be Lebron James, he'll actually fit in fine. Wiggins is a ball stopper in the truest sense and would seem to be the last player the Warriors would want.

hey but essentially for the warriors they are taking on Randle's 20 million for Wiggins 30 million next year and give up the potential #1 pick? We would be laughed at.

Wiggins has negative trade value. Randle might not have negative trade value but he also doesn't have positive trade value. Lets call it nuetral.

That difference isn't giving up the #1 pick. Not even close.

Now depending on how the lottery plays out. Randle + #6 or #7 for Wiggins + #1 might be something the Warriors have some interest in. They might be able to draft Deni or someone like that at the knicks pick. And the knicks could pick Ball or Edwards whoever is #1 on there list.

Wiggins is a suck cost but the knicks need a star and if they feel Ball or Edwards is one I would consider this because we aren't going to be a major player in FA.

Now I do believe Hayes/Haliburton are solid options so personally I wouldn't take on Wiggins contract but the people who believe Ball and Edwards are much higher rates than the rest of the field you would probably consider this.

[robillionaire]

Knicks get: #1, Wiggins
Warriors get: Randle, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington

Let’s gooooo

Deal! Maybe.

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

Yes you get to keep #6 in this trade

highway robbery right

[robillionaire]

People complain because we never take on bad contracts to get a pick and you have the chance to take on wiggins for literally the #1 pick in the draft, while at the same time unloading randle

[RHODEY]

Just cause this draft has a lot of guards it doesn’t mean all of them will turn out good. Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry and was a bust

Yep. I called Flynn as a none PG as well before the draft. I'll admit I wasn't that high on Curry but at least with Curry you knew he could score like the dickens. Flynn? He was neither a PG nor a SG. He was a very aggressive guard that wore his emotions on his sleeve and that was able to use his real nice combination of strength and quickness to impact college games.

Sounds very similar to this guy....





Hope we don't repeat that mistake.

[mpharris36]

Deal! Maybe.

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

Yes you get to keep #6 in this trade

highway robbery right

there is absolutely no way in gods green earth the Warriors trade Wiggins for Randle while also including there #1 pick.

They might consider if we added in a pick swap like I said #6 to #1

[mpharris36]

People complain because we never take on bad contracts to get a pick and you have the chance to take on wiggins for literally the #1 pick in the draft, while at the same time unloading randle

I would hope people just misread your post and think its a swap

[robillionaire]

I assume he meant a pick swap right? We don't get to keep #6 in this trade

Yes you get to keep #6 in this trade

highway robbery right

there is absolutely no way in gods green earth the Warriors trade Wiggins for Randle while also including there #1 pick.

They might consider if we added in a pick swap like I said #6 to #1

I actually agree with that. But let’s say they don’t want the pick swap because again they don’t want to pay that much to the 6th pick and instead they want Mitch or our 2021 pick or the unprotected mavs pick. Would you do any of that. We would have 1st and 6th. Minus Randle, filler, and either Mitch or one of the future picks

[mpharris36]

Yes you get to keep #6 in this trade

highway robbery right

there is absolutely no way in gods green earth the Warriors trade Wiggins for Randle while also including there #1 pick.

They might consider if we added in a pick swap like I said #6 to #1

I actually agree with that. But let’s say they don’t want the pick swap because again they don’t want to pay that much to the 6th pick and instead they want Mitch or our 2021 pick or the unprotected mavs pick. Would you do any of that. We would have 1st and 6th. Minus Randle, filler, and either Mitch or one of the future picks

If its Mitch then way.

If its the Mavs pick then yes (but doubt GS would do that, they would just wiggins and the #1 pick for a much better player than Randle.

the value between Mitch and the Mavs pick is significantly different.

[robillionaire]

there is absolutely no way in gods green earth the Warriors trade Wiggins for Randle while also including there #1 pick.

They might consider if we added in a pick swap like I said #6 to #1

I actually agree with that. But let’s say they don’t want the pick swap because again they don’t want to pay that much to the 6th pick and instead they want Mitch or our 2021 pick or the unprotected mavs pick. Would you do any of that. We would have 1st and 6th. Minus Randle, filler, and either Mitch or one of the future picks

If its Mitch then way.

If its the Mavs pick then yes (but doubt GS would do that, they would just wiggins and the #1 pick for a much better player than Randle.

the value between Mitch and the Mavs pick is significantly different.

Yeah I agree, just seeing how much you would be willing to part with

Me
If they want us to throw in Mitch - yes
If they want the mavs 2021 - yes
If they want our 2021 with protections - yes
If they want our 2021 unprotected - I’d have to think about it but still probably yes

These are either/or , not all of the above btw

[mpharris36]

I actually agree with that. But let’s say they don’t want the pick swap because again they don’t want to pay that much to the 6th pick and instead they want Mitch or our 2021 pick or the unprotected mavs pick. Would you do any of that. We would have 1st and 6th. Minus Randle, filler, and either Mitch or one of the future picks

If its Mitch then way.

If its the Mavs pick then yes (but doubt GS would do that, they would just wiggins and the #1 pick for a much better player than Randle.

the value between Mitch and the Mavs pick is significantly different.

Yeah I agree, just seeing how much you would be willing to part with

Me
If they want us to throw in Mitch - yes
If they want the mavs 2021 - yes
If they want our 2021 with protections - yes
If they want our 2021 unprotected - I’d have to think about it but still probably yes

These are either/or , not all of the above btw

thats crazy talk considering that draft class is loaded. And getting two picks in a weaker draft class makes no sense. I would literally rather trade #6 then trade an uprotected future knicks pick.

Mitch is also a no go because you would love to get someone as productive as Mitch in the lottery at that cheap cost.

[robillionaire]

Their motive would be clearing Wiggins salary for 2021 to make a run at giannis. Obviously they would waive randle year 3

[mpharris36]

Their motive would be clearing Wiggins salary for 2021 to make a run at giannis. Obviously they would waive randle year 3

then they should just do a deal with the Jazz.

Rudy Gobert is a billion times better than Randle. He helps them win a chip next year and doesn't have $4 million dead cap to go after Giannis.

[robillionaire]

Their motive would be clearing Wiggins salary for 2021 to make a run at giannis. Obviously they would waive randle year 3

then they should just do a deal with the Jazz.

Rudy Gobert is a billion times better than Randle. He helps them win a chip next year and doesn't have $4 million dead cap to go after Giannis.

Who says the jazz want to trade Gobert to take on Wiggins

[robillionaire]

If its Mitch then way.

If its the Mavs pick then yes (but doubt GS would do that, they would just wiggins and the #1 pick for a much better player than Randle.

the value between Mitch and the Mavs pick is significantly different.

Yeah I agree, just seeing how much you would be willing to part with

Me
If they want us to throw in Mitch - yes
If they want the mavs 2021 - yes
If they want our 2021 with protections - yes
If they want our 2021 unprotected - I’d have to think about it but still probably yes

These are either/or , not all of the above btw

thats crazy talk considering that draft class is loaded. And getting two picks in a weaker draft class makes no sense. I would literally rather trade #6 then trade an uprotected future knicks pick.

Mitch is also a no go because you would love to get someone as productive as Mitch in the lottery at that cheap cost.

I’m sure you would, so you would understand why they would rather receive a later unprotected pick and don’t want #6

Assume they don’t want 6 and it’s one of those above add ons to the original offer or it’s no deal

Remember, the original offer was robbery on our part

You can’t get a #1 pick for free

[mpharris36]

Their motive would be clearing Wiggins salary for 2021 to make a run at giannis. Obviously they would waive randle year 3

then they should just do a deal with the Jazz.

Rudy Gobert is a billion times better than Randle. He helps them win a chip next year and doesn't have $4 million dead cap to go after Giannis.

Who says the jazz want to trade Gobert to take on Wiggins

Donovan Mitchell?

in your theory you believe the knicks would be the only team that would be willing to take on Wiggins for the #1 pick and nothing else?

[mpharris36]

Yeah I agree, just seeing how much you would be willing to part with

Me
If they want us to throw in Mitch - yes
If they want the mavs 2021 - yes
If they want our 2021 with protections - yes
If they want our 2021 unprotected - I’d have to think about it but still probably yes

These are either/or , not all of the above btw

thats crazy talk considering that draft class is loaded. And getting two picks in a weaker draft class makes no sense. I would literally rather trade #6 then trade an uprotected future knicks pick.

Mitch is also a no go because you would love to get someone as productive as Mitch in the lottery at that cheap cost.

I’m sure you would, so you would understand why they would rather receive a later unprotected pick and don’t want #6

Assume they don’t want 6 and it’s one of those above add ons to the original offer or it’s no deal

Remember, the original offer was robbery on our part

You can’t get a #1 pick for free

I know you cant. I say no to Mitch or any of the knicks future unprotected 1st rounders.

If they want both mavs picks sure. I would do that

[newyorker4ever]

I want to come out of this draft with 1 of Nesmith, Bey, or Vassell; would have to trade up from #27 or acquire another 1st by taking on salary (which they should 100% do)

tbh, I prefer all 3 of Nesmith, Bey, and Vassell to Knox; I just don't see it with Knox

I'm all about trading up in this draft to come away with another pick in either the late lottery or just outside of it and have posted multiple times about it and i would love for either of Vassell or Nesmith to be that player we trade up for but i'd also ass T.Maxey to that list if he drops to the late lottery or just outside it. With many talking about how this is one of the weaker drafts we've had in a while it could be the perfect draft to make a trade up.