College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Maybe. Who knows how he fits.

That’s my only point. We just don’t know but I could def see his flaws being an issue for our roster.

We have a decent idea how he'd fit based on what he looked like with DeRoan.


You don't bring in a high usage PG that can't shoot if RJ and Randle are on this team.

You could be right. Idk. I just think we can’t use their team winning or not as a reason to say he won’t fit / help etc.

It’s not murray specific. It’s just a general debate rule for me

I'd go after Brunson over Murray any day of the week, he's playing with a very high usage rate player who dominates possessions and is still putting up good numbers.

Murray is just a tough fit because of his shot, it's really difficult to build with a PG on your team that can't shoot.

[dakomish23]

We have a decent idea how he'd fit based on what he looked like with DeRoan.


You don't bring in a high usage PG that can't shoot if RJ and Randle are on this team.

You could be right. Idk. I just think we can’t use their team winning or not as a reason to say he won’t fit / help etc.

It’s not murray specific. It’s just a general debate rule for me

I'd go after Brunson over Murray any day of the week, he's playing with a very high usage rate player who dominates possessions and is still putting up good numbers.

Murray is just a tough fit because of his shot, it's really difficult to build with a PG on your team that can't shoot.

I don’t disagree and I don’t care about trading for him. The one guy I was willing to massively overpay for probably wasn’t even on the Knicks radar

For what it’s worth, he’s alright in the midrange

[8516knicks]

You could be right. Idk. I just think we can’t use their team winning or not as a reason to say he won’t fit / help etc.

It’s not murray specific. It’s just a general debate rule for me

I'd go after Brunson over Murray any day of the week, he's playing with a very high usage rate player who dominates possessions and is still putting up good numbers.

Murray is just a tough fit because of his shot, it's really difficult to build with a PG on your team that can't shoot.

I don’t disagree and I don’t care about trading for him. The one guy I was willing to massively overpay for probably wasn’t even on the Knicks radar

For what it’s worth, he’s alright in the midrange

Of what might be available, it's Brunson. With Brunson the position is locked for 10 years!!! Remember the "lock" PG draftees - lonzo. markel, Mudiay, DSJ and more often strike out. Of the present crop, Lowery has proven to be the best and Dragic damn good and Conley okay plus and each went team to team before they clicked. Chris Paul 2022 is not in the draft. And he won't be this decade. get someone GOOD - like Haliburton and roll with it.

[DOT]

Why go after Murray when we can just draft TyTy?

They're basically the same, but TyTy'd be cheaper.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would love to have Murray. He's legit good. I wouldnt blame him for the Spurs. Would I trade the farm for him? Probably not. Depends on the cost. But he can play and would be our best G in years.

[newyorker4ever]

Why go after Murray when we can just draft TyTy?

They're basically the same, but TyTy'd be cheaper.

They aren't the same. One has proven he can play at a good level in the NBA and the other hasn't been in a NBA game yet. Big difference.

[Knicksfan1992]

I would trade any non-Paolo or Holmgren pick for Murray full stop. Dude is still only 25 on a wonderful deal. Basically Russ reincarnated but with much better and fundamentally sound defense. The lack of free throw attempts is slightly concerning with him, but I think his ceiling is still yet to be reached and if the Spurs are willing to trade that guy, the Knicks should be 100% in on him IMO.

[mpharris36]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

[mpharris36]

I would love to have Murray. He's legit good. I wouldnt blame him for the Spurs. Would I trade the farm for him? Probably not. Depends on the cost. But he can play and would be our best G in years.

the spurs legit have a bad roster.

[DOT]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

He fits right into that mold of being very good, but not good enough to build around, and his game is too hard to build with as a complimentary piece

If he could even shoot for average from 3 off the catch, he'd be significantly more valuable.

[mpharris36]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

He fits right into that mold of being very good, but not good enough to build around, and his game is too hard to build with as a complimentary piece

If he could even shoot for average from 3 off the catch, he'd be significantly more valuable.

I dont disagree...that he is an ideal build around piece. I don't know if its for joke purposes but to think TyTy can even come close to that production seems a bit faulty.

Murray has been getting better but he never has made the jump shooting off of higher %'s. But man he's already an all-star and if he could just get to league avg 3 point shooting he would be a beast.

If you could play him off a shooting big like a KAT I think that would be agood team. The Spurs roster is pretty much trash though. He's def not a 1A type guy but he's closer to a 1B type guy then anyone on our roster.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would love to have Murray. He's legit good. I wouldnt blame him for the Spurs. Would I trade the farm for him? Probably not. Depends on the cost. But he can play and would be our best G in years.

the spurs legit have a bad roster.

Yea, he keeps getting better too. I wouldnt sleep on him eventually at least improving his 3 ball. Def was one of the more underrated players in the league and just starting to get his due with an all-star appearance. I think he is just going to get better and better. He has been beasting lately.

I am just not sure his cost or if he is even available at this point. May have missed a chance to buy low a bit ago.

[mpharris36]

I would love to have Murray. He's legit good. I wouldnt blame him for the Spurs. Would I trade the farm for him? Probably not. Depends on the cost. But he can play and would be our best G in years.

the spurs legit have a bad roster.

Yea, he keeps getting better too. I wouldnt sleep on him eventually at least improving his 3 ball. Def was one of the more underrated players in the league and just starting to get his due with an all-star appearance. I think he is just going to get better and better. He has been beasting lately.

I am just not sure his cost or if he is even available at this point. May have missed a chance to buy low a bit ago.

Yeah at this point he's not worth trading a ton of assets for. You probably needed to invest him him a year or 2 ago.

We just have to get lucky and get in the top 4 of this lottery or we are in for another disappointing year because no one wants our crap.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

He fits right into that mold of being very good, but not good enough to build around, and his game is too hard to build with as a complimentary piece

If he could even shoot for average from 3 off the catch, he'd be significantly more valuable.

This is dangerously close to a Chanel style opinion

[Deeeez Knicks]

the spurs legit have a bad roster.

Yea, he keeps getting better too. I wouldnt sleep on him eventually at least improving his 3 ball. Def was one of the more underrated players in the league and just starting to get his due with an all-star appearance. I think he is just going to get better and better. He has been beasting lately.

I am just not sure his cost or if he is even available at this point. May have missed a chance to buy low a bit ago.

Yeah at this point he's not worth trading a ton of assets for. You probably needed to invest him him a year or 2 ago.

We just have to get lucky and get in the top 4 of this lottery or we are in for another disappointing year because no one wants our crap.

Either way the Knicks need to find a PG...either in the draft, free agency, trade...They need to look everywhere. We can't have broken down Kemba or Burks/IQ masquerading as PGs anymore. It drags down the entire team. Cant really depend on Rose either. Its crazy how the Knicks pass up good option after good option.

TyTy actually does seem like a decent option depending on how the draft shapes up (independent of Murray). I am sure he will be on the Knicks radar. Other then him seems like a pretty weak PG draft and we should still go best available.

[DOT]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

He fits right into that mold of being very good, but not good enough to build around, and his game is too hard to build with as a complimentary piece

If he could even shoot for average from 3 off the catch, he'd be significantly more valuable.

This is dangerously close to a Chanel style opinion

I mean, the way I look at it is, as long as you can hit 3s, we can find a role for you

If you can't hit 3s and aren't a C, then you kind of need to be the primary ball handler, and if you're not efficient enough, you really can't do that

So a guy like Murray, while talented, can't shoot so he needs to be the primary guy, but because he's rather inefficient, it's hard to justify him being the primary guy

Difference with RJ is, RJ can shoot so he doesn't have to be the primary guy, he can function as a secondary/tertiary guy cause he can spot up when he isn't handling the ball.

[mpharris36]

Yea, he keeps getting better too. I wouldnt sleep on him eventually at least improving his 3 ball. Def was one of the more underrated players in the league and just starting to get his due with an all-star appearance. I think he is just going to get better and better. He has been beasting lately.

I am just not sure his cost or if he is even available at this point. May have missed a chance to buy low a bit ago.

Yeah at this point he's not worth trading a ton of assets for. You probably needed to invest him him a year or 2 ago.

We just have to get lucky and get in the top 4 of this lottery or we are in for another disappointing year because no one wants our crap.

Either way the Knicks need to find a PG...either in the draft, free agency, trade...They need to look everywhere. We can't have broken down Kemba or Burks/IQ masquerading as PGs anymore. It drags down the entire team. Cant really depend on Rose either. Its crazy how the Knicks pass up good option after good option.

TyTy actually does seem like a decent option depending on how the draft shapes up (independent of Murray). I am sure he will be on the Knicks radar. Other then him seems like a pretty weak PG draft and we should still go best available.

Honestly we should do everything in our power to try and get Scoot Henderson if we are going to go the draft route.

[2010]

Why go after Murray when we can just draft TyTy?

They're basically the same, but TyTy'd be cheaper.

They aren't the same. One has proven he can play at a good level in the NBA and the other hasn't been in a NBA game yet. Big difference.

One doesn’t cost you every asset in the war chest. Draft Ivey if we jump up or TyTy if we stay in there range we’re in. Save your assets for the move that catapults you forward. Murray alone isn’t getting us anywhere.

[2010]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

It’s not the pick alone. It’s the pick and everything on top of that you’d have to give up. Then what are we left with? Murray on a bad team isn’t doing anything. Where has he gotten the Spurs despite the gaudy stats?

[mpharris36]

Yeah I don't know why people down play murray that much.

Its not easy to nearly avg a 20 ppg triple double with 2 steals per game. His shooting will always limit him but thinking some mid to late lottery guy can replicate his impact is not something I would trust.

It’s not the pick alone. It’s the pick and everything on top of that you’d have to give up. Then what are we left with? Murray on a bad team isn’t doing anything. Where has he gotten the Spurs despite the gaudy stats?

I just was putting pause on TyTy being a Murray type. That is a huge leap to make right now.

Now if you want to say just draft TyTy and not waste the assets or cap space to acquire Murray...that is a whole other story.