Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[knickstape4ever]

I've wanted Towns since 2015 when I thought the NBA would give us the #1 pick finally

As well as Julius has played, and I have come around on him after hating him originally, Towns is the better option IMO. he gives the team more versatility w/ his to play the 4 and 5, as one of the best shooting bigs ever. + he's a year younger, and isn't due an extension soon

my ideal scenario would be using Randle and our other assets i.e. Deuce, Mitch, Rokas?, and whatever picks we have left to get Towns + a rim-protecting C like Kessler or Richards

I was intrigued by the Pistons beat writers suggestion of Deuce, Mitch, Detroit's 1st back, and some 2nds for Ivey and Duren. Would give the team a 2nd shot creator at guard for Brunson's rest time, and a toolsy big in Duren that could thrive with some good coaching and being surrounded by better players (same said for Ivey)

[Richard4444]

I've wanted Towns since 2015 when I thought the NBA would give us the #1 pick finally

As well as Julius has played, and I have come around on him after hating him originally, Towns is the better option IMO. he gives the team more versatility w/ his to play the 4 and 5, as one of the best shooting bigs ever. + he's a year younger, and isn't due an extension soon

my ideal scenario would be using Randle and our other assets i.e. Deuce, Mitch, Rokas?, and whatever picks we have left to get Towns + a rim-protecting C like Kessler or Richards

I was intrigued by the Pistons beat writers suggestion of Deuce, Mitch, Detroit's 1st back, and some 2nds for Ivey and Duren. Would give the team a 2nd shot creator at guard for Brunson's rest time, and a toolsy big in Duren that could thrive with some good coaching and being surrounded by better players (same said for Ivey)

Duren and Ivey can be great players in the future. But we need to compete now. Its does not make sense to the Knicks.

[Capn'O]

I'm wagering all the monies right now that If KAT becomes a Knick he gets in a physical confrontation with Josh Hart at some point.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like a good wager. That said, Josh doesn't seem to have a temper.

No, no - I'm wagering TOWNS blow up and tries to fight him. Josh is an unbridled assh*le, especially about picking on/bullying type stuff, by all accounts of those that are close to him, and KAT is both an easy target and sensitive about that kind of stuff.

Donte, Jalen, and Mikal have all said earnestly that they hated Josh when they met him because he was just such an assh*le. Donte even tried to kill him in the weight room at Nova . He's the classic snarky, aggressively disrespectful to be funny, why are you so mad, go ahead and do something about it then, type guy.

I think there's a great chance he's the natural successor to Jimmy's work with KAT. Like, if Jimmy was Pusha, Hart is Kendrick.

Gotcha. That will definitely happen. He and Jimmy are two sides of the same coin. Hence the video.

[knickstape4ever]

I've wanted Towns since 2015 when I thought the NBA would give us the #1 pick finally

As well as Julius has played, and I have come around on him after hating him originally, Towns is the better option IMO. he gives the team more versatility w/ his to play the 4 and 5, as one of the best shooting bigs ever. + he's a year younger, and isn't due an extension soon

my ideal scenario would be using Randle and our other assets i.e. Deuce, Mitch, Rokas?, and whatever picks we have left to get Towns + a rim-protecting C like Kessler or Richards

I was intrigued by the Pistons beat writers suggestion of Deuce, Mitch, Detroit's 1st back, and some 2nds for Ivey and Duren. Would give the team a 2nd shot creator at guard for Brunson's rest time, and a toolsy big in Duren that could thrive with some good coaching and being surrounded by better players (same said for Ivey)

Duren and Ivey can be great players in the future. But we need to compete now. It's does not make sense to the Knicks.

year 3 is the year guys usually take the jump so I think they can definitely contribute right away, especially coming off the bench for us

[DaGawd]

I've wanted Towns since 2015 when I thought the NBA would give us the #1 pick finally

As well as Julius has played, and I have come around on him after hating him originally, Towns is the better option IMO. he gives the team more versatility w/ his to play the 4 and 5, as one of the best shooting bigs ever. + he's a year younger, and isn't due an extension soon

my ideal scenario would be using Randle and our other assets i.e. Deuce, Mitch, Rokas?, and whatever picks we have left to get Towns + a rim-protecting C like Kessler or Richards

I was intrigued by the Pistons beat writers suggestion of Deuce, Mitch, Detroit's 1st back, and some 2nds for Ivey and Duren. Would give the team a 2nd shot creator at guard for Brunson's rest time, and a toolsy big in Duren that could thrive with some good coaching and being surrounded by better players (same said for Ivey)

Duren and Ivey can be great players in the future. But we need to compete now. It's does not make sense to the Knicks.

year 3 is the year guys usually take the jump so I think they can definitely contribute right away, especially coming off the bench for us

knicks aren’t really in the position to take a gamble on young projects being a major piece of their rotation. progression isn’t linear.

[mpharris36]

I've wanted Towns since 2015 when I thought the NBA would give us the #1 pick finally

As well as Julius has played, and I have come around on him after hating him originally, Towns is the better option IMO. he gives the team more versatility w/ his to play the 4 and 5, as one of the best shooting bigs ever. + he's a year younger, and isn't due an extension soon

my ideal scenario would be using Randle and our other assets i.e. Deuce, Mitch, Rokas?, and whatever picks we have left to get Towns + a rim-protecting C like Kessler or Richards

I was intrigued by the Pistons beat writers suggestion of Deuce, Mitch, Detroit's 1st back, and some 2nds for Ivey and Duren. Would give the team a 2nd shot creator at guard for Brunson's rest time, and a toolsy big in Duren that could thrive with some good coaching and being surrounded by better players (same said for Ivey)

Duren and Ivey can be great players in the future. But we need to compete now. It's does not make sense to the Knicks.

year 3 is the year guys usually take the jump so I think they can definitely contribute right away, especially coming off the bench for us

Duren doesn't understand a defensive rotation..no matter how talented he is we aren't going to be in the business of acquiring that.

[KnixinSix]

More garage KAT talkers. Thanks a lot, CP.

the fact the gersson rojas, former wolves gm is now our gm makes me think this has legs to it than some of us want to admit

there’s no way any rumor that’s ever been rumored could possibly have any more legs than this one has

Now that’s not to say it’ll surely happen, obviously there are other factors, whether our guys sign extensions, whether the wolves would actually do the trade, etc. takes two to tango. But as for the Knicks wanting towns, yeah, 100%

Randle has one more year, I know he re-signed with CAA but unless we like his fit more than KAT AND we also strongly believe he will extend here , KAT makes a lot of sense if we want to maximize our compete window.

KAT as mentioned is under contract for 4 more years. A 'locked in' roster with KAT even against the 2nd Apron could be the way to go.


Look at how the minutes could be divided up:

KAT (15), Richards (28), Sims (5)
OG(25), KAT (17), Hart (6)
Bridges (25), Hart (15), OG(8)
DDV(30), Hart(10), Bridges (8)
Brunson (32), Kolek (16)

-around 40% 3 pt shooting 1 to 5
-Great Defensively versatility
-KAT has the ability to rebound well too (depending on where he is positioned in the system) and can split minutes at both 4 and 5.

[3toheadmelo]

Losing deuce for Richards would suck, but at least he has some offense unlike Kessler. He actually destroyed Kessler earlier this season as well

Watch on YouTube

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[DOT]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

[KnixinSix]

Losing deuce for Richards would suck, but at least he has some offense unlike Kessler. He actually destroyed Kessler earlier this season as well

Watch on YouTube

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He might be better offensively than either of our C's last year, 2ndly he has some defensive upside especially under THibs

[KnixinSix]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

You can deal with the restrictions of the new CAP as a big market team IF you have sort of 'locked-in' roster that won't need many other moves to solidify it. With a potential 3 way trade to pick up Richards and KAT, you would have that roster.

[mpharris36]

Nick Richards is the same rim running big as Kessler with less rim protection and defense. Its just that Richards is cheaper to acquire.

[mpharris36]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

the only slight difference is when Randle is extension eligible what do you think he is going to get? Yes for this singular year the $ gap is different but in following years it will likely get very closer.

I think the money overall in the future will be pretty close between both players...its more about is Towns the right guy to be a 2nd banana. I'm not sure about that...that would be my major concnern.

[DOT]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

the only slight difference is when Randle is extension eligible what do you think he is going to get? Yes for this singular year the $ gap is different but in following years it will likely get very closer.

I think the money overall in the future will be pretty close between both players...its more about is Towns the right guy to be a 2nd banana. I'm not sure about that...that would be my major concnern.

We have 1 year at least of Randle for cheap. No need to rush capping ourselves out.

[mpharris36]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

the only slight difference is when Randle is extension eligible what do you think he is going to get? Yes for this singular year the $ gap is different but in following years it will likely get very closer.

I think the money overall in the future will be pretty close between both players...its more about is Towns the right guy to be a 2nd banana. I'm not sure about that...that would be my major concnern.

We have 1 year at least of Randle for cheap. No need to rush capping ourselves out.

this plan to build around this core wasn't a one year run though. If Randle isn't going to sign the extension that leaves us in a tough position going into an offseason without control of one of our important players. That is a big factor to consider when you are a team operating over the cap. You can't just lose players for nothing.

[DOT]

lol this is why these things are so stupid

"Actually, Richards DESTROYED Kessler this year"

Links to a video of Richards scoring 26 points, 2 of which came when Kessler was on the court (and Richards only scored because he got an offensive rebound off a missed shot from the guy Kessler was defending) lol

It's just all so disingenuous.

[robillionaire]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

Randle is due an extension though, and even in the best scenarios where he extends early he will likely get nearly 50M a year for 4 years

So the options are hope he extends and roll with it, in which case he’ll be making nearly what Towns does, lose him for nothing, or do a trade

Losing an all star for nothing shouldn’t be considered a real option so one way or another someone is getting a bag from us. But we are a team looking to win now, so these are situations where you might change gears and go all in and start overpaying to maximize a championship window

[thebuzzardman]

The only reason we can be as good as we are is because our core pieces are on good contracts

Brunson, Randle, Mikal, DDV, even Mitch at 14.5 isn't bad, and while Hart is overpaid, it's not cripplingly so

OG is the only one not on a value deal, but we can afford one guy being overpaid if the rest aren't

Trading for KAT and his $50 million this year up to $60 million in 3 years would negate all that. Even with my reservations about Randle's fit and if he can play well in the playoffs, I wouldn't trade him for KAT, especially because we'd need to find a lot of salary going out

The only move that makes sense is to trade Deuce and potentially picks for a C, but that's also reliant on Kolek being good. I could also see a potential Dadiet move, and that's why we're so quiet because you have to wait at least a month after signing a guy to a rookie deal, but I find that to be less likely given that it would've been more valuable for us to trade the pick than take a guy and then shop him later.

But that was only ever a temporary situation. That's the case for nearly every competitive team, especially ones with deep playoff aspirations.

The new CBA has salaries going up on the one hand, with the future TV money etc, but on the other hand it also has strong limiting factors around adding costly players.

It may not be perfect, but the Knicks built towards having a good, should be deep playoff, team, but having some large contracts was always going to be part of that.

It doesn't have to be for KAT, and it's not an absolute given that a team has to be as hemmed in as KAT will make the Knicks, but at some point the Knicks would be fairly up against it.

Oh, I know. They could have constantly churned via the draft etc etc, but almost no team does that besides OKC.

Especially once the Knicks burned young assets for OG, which most of thought was a good trade, they were going down the road of being up against the cap etc.
Brunson (eventually), OG, Randle or someone, eventually Mikal...it's coming.

Not sure if KAT is the answer, but the Knicks will be up against the cap one way or another, for a few years.

[stuporman]

Who exactly is going to give Randle a max contract if he goes to FA? I have a hard time figuring out which team is eager to pay him $50mil per year after he's 30 years old. I'm pretty sure even the Knicks don't want to. If people wouldn't want to pay KAT that money what makes you think there are teams ready to pay Randle it?

Explain to me which team is going to pay him like a number one option in this cap climate and think he is the piece that makes them a title contender? I'll wait...

[thebuzzardman]

Gut feeling, the KAT trade happens.

Rosas in.
WWW always here.
Rose always stating he's here to bring in a "star"

Rose, but particularly WWW, will be cementing their legacy when this happens. Obviously the Wolves have to have an interest, but if Rose/WWW pull this off, their reputation for the future, their legacy, will be greatly enhanced.

I think that matters to both of them, especially WWW, who has lost some of his reputational shine.

Let me make it clear, I don't think they do it if it doesn't make basketball sense, and yes, I get the downsides as well as the upsides of the potential move.

But I think Rose and WWW would be working overtime to make this happen.

It buys them, easily, 5 more years of being paid by Dolan. It cements their career legacies. If it brings a championship (up for debate), then all the more so.

I think there is fire with the smoke this time.